I wanna say Castellanos is back but then again it’s the crappy ass nationals so

Need to close this one out and end the roadtrip 6-4 and still 5 games ahead (or maybe 6). I would have taken that for sure before we played the 1st game in Texas.

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Need to close this one out and end the roadtrip 6-4 and still 5 games ahead (or maybe 6). I would have taken that for sure before we played the 1st game in Texas.

Yeah..but that was before Nola became Luzardo and Wheeler being diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer.........fortunately Duran didn't need his leg amputated.

Franzen got chubby and lol Nola

Credit to lazar outside of the white Sox disaster he’s actually been really good the last month

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Credit to lazar outside of the white Sox disaster he’s actually been really good the last month

Reverse jinx in a bad way

Forced Duran to come in on that ankle. So weak.

Feels like wheeler is done

Also it’s unfortunate that Castellanos hit a HR just after last night’s news about wheeler. So that’s not good

Harper has played 7 years for each team

8 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

Harper has played 7 years for each team

Makes it more impressive with the Phillies has played 106 less games. He’s had two seasons of less than 100 games (Covid year and his TJ elbow year) which never happened with the nationals

I know that everyone thinks Nola is toast…but how many starts like this do they actually have to give him before they pull him out of the rotation?

I assumed he’d be the #4 on the playoff rotation, but he may not be playable.

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I know that everyone thinks Nola is toast…but how many starts like this do they actually have to give him before they pull him out of the rotation?

I assumed he’d be the #4 on the playoff rotation, but he may not be playable.

He's horrific, just keep him down at AAA

1 hour ago, iladelphxx said:

Harper has played 7 years for each team

The difference in the stance is interesting.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I know that everyone thinks Nola is toast…but how many starts like this do they actually have to give him before they pull him out of the rotation?

I assumed he’d be the #4 on the playoff rotation, but he may not be playable.

Tbh i think their rotation right now for the playoffs (assuming wheeler is done) is Sanchez, Walker, luzardo and either Ranger or Nola. I think depending on which is better will get that role. There’s also the potential if they call up painter if both continue to struggle to see what he does.

Sadly Ranger and nola might not be playable.

Bigger issue right now is the Phillies seem destined to do what they did last year. That is start off hot then be mediocre the next 3-4 months. Last year they were 45-19 then finished 51-51. This year they started 35-19. Currently 36-34. This is becoming a trend where the Phillies just become mediocre for majority of the year and can’t recapture what they were in April/may

OK, so it only takes a few modest assumptions to figure out what's going on with Wheeler.

He most likely has a subclavian vein dvt from overuse/repetitive movements. It's called Paget Scrhoeter syndrome. It's really rare, but well documented in pitchers.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5753956/

It is not impossible that he returns for the playoffs, but seems quite unlikely. I was initially dismissive of it because...in the general medical sense....these things are not a big deal and there is no structural problem with the affected limb, so a full recovery is straightforward. But you do need to go on blood thinning medications and confirm resolution of the clot...which takes time...more time than the Phillies have to get him back for the playoffs.

11 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh i think their rotation right now for the playoffs (assuming wheeler is done) is Sanchez, Walker, luzardo and either Ranger or Nola. I think depending on which is better will get that role. There’s also the potential if they call up painter if both continue to struggle to see what he does.

Sadly Ranger and nola might not be playable.

Bigger issue right now is the Phillies seem destined to do what they did last year. That is start off hot then be mediocre the next 3-4 months. Last year they were 45-19 then finished 51-51. This year they started 35-19. Currently 36-34. This is becoming a trend where the Phillies just become mediocre for majority of the year and can’t recapture what they were in April/may

Well, I think we all can see the writing on the wall for where this is headed.

Right now, a Sanchez/Walker/Luzardo/Ranger rotation would be barely above average for a playoff team as they are currently pitching. Combine that with the inconsistencies of this lineup, and they'll be an easy out in the playoffs.

They just need to get unfathomable streaky good luck. The lineup needs to get hot and play better than they are for a month. And Ranger/Luzardo need to pitch like they did earlier this year for a month. And Walker needs to somehow keep pitching like he is now.

Of those 4 things they need to have happen, I think one actually could (Ranger).

I commend them that they are still hanging on in the standings while the pitching staff is leaking oil so badly. Right now, the team kind of feels like the coyote in the road runner cartoon when he starts running off the cliff. They are going to look down soon and then down they'll go.

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well, I think we all can see the writing on the wall for where this is headed.

Right now, a Sanchez/Walker/Luzardo/Ranger rotation would be barely above average for a playoff team as they are currently pitching. Combine that with the inconsistencies of this lineup, and they'll be an easy out in the playoffs.

They just need to get unfathomable streaky good luck. The lineup needs to get hot and play better than they are for a month. And Ranger/Luzardo need to pitch like they did earlier this year for a month. And Walker needs to somehow keep pitching like he is now.

Of those 4 things they need to have happen, I think one actually could (Ranger).

I commend them that they are still hanging on in the standings while the pitching staff is leaking oil so badly. Right now, the team kind of feels like the coyote in the road runner cartoon when he starts running off the cliff. They are going to look down soon and then down they'll go.

Frankly i think they are done in terms of WS. The way they were going to win it was with elite 1-2 that could win you a series. Now it’s just Sanchez. I dont see the offense finally stepping up when they’ve been like this for 2.5 years. Bullpen is finally good enough but not if your starting pitching is what it is.

If the Mets didn’t have a ridiculous September schedule i don’t know if the philllies would win the division even with a 5 game lead. Tbh i think that 5 game lead is going to shrink by the time we get to September. Phillies have Seattle and Nats at home this week. Seattle’s pitching is really good and we don’t hit good pitching. Plus our pitching is Sanchez and luzardo for games 1 and 3. Mets go on the road to nationals and Braves. Mets are horrible on the road but it feels like they are due to go on a hot streak and winning the last two games feels like they may be turning a corner.

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly i think they are done in terms of WS. The way they were going to win it was with elite 1-2 that could win you a series. Now it’s just Sanchez. I dont see the offense finally stepping up when they’ve been like this for 2.5 years. Bullpen is finally good enough but not if your starting pitching is what it is.

If the Mets didn’t have a ridiculous September schedule i don’t know if the philllies would win the division even with a 5 game lead. Tbh i think that 5 game lead is going to shrink by the time we get to September. Phillies have Seattle and Nats at home this week. Seattle’s pitching is really good and we don’t hit good pitching. Plus our pitching is Sanchez and luzardo for games 1 and 3. Mets go on the road to nationals and Braves. Mets are horrible on the road but it feels like they are due to go on a hot streak and winning the last two games feels like they may be turning a corner.

I agree. Their path to a title was giving up 0-2 runs per game on the back of relentless great starts from their rotation. Throw in a couple high scoring wins and a couple losses where you lose 2-1 or the starter disappoints...but that's their key to stacking series wins. And we had all been debating if the offense was good enough to do that.

Now, we are staring down the barrel of getting 1-2 quality starts per series. That's not compatible with advancing with the way this team is constructed.

Agreed, no way in hell they win the WS with this staff not including Wheeler + the usual inconsistent offense.

42 minutes ago, John Blutarski said:

Agreed, no way in hell they win the WS with this staff not including Wheeler + the usual inconsistent offense.

Seen people saying the dodgers did it but the dodgers offense was much better top to bottom and their bullpen was elite. Frankly i thought they got fortunate the padres imploded and that the Mets were frauds.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Seen people saying the dodgers did it but the dodgers offense was much better top to bottom and their bullpen was elite. Frankly i thought they got fortunate the padres imploded and that the Mets were frauds.

If the Phils want to make noise in the playoffs and sniff the WS, they need Sanchez to continue to pitch at CY level, need to somehow get Suarez rested enough to get him back to early season starter form (doubtful), get Nola pitching at least respectable #3 (doubtful) and then Luzardo/Walker as 4th starter whoever is pitching better at the time. I just don't see it. Too much needs to go right and be turned around from what it is now.