Just now, Diehardfan said:

As for tonight they got 6 strong out of him. Maybe had had 10 pitches left before his arm ended up like Snell. You just saw what happened. You take what you get and keep them going up against strong arms who they haven't seen a few times today. That was my thinking. You saw what happened to Sanchez the other night as well. The more times they face a guy in the same day with a weakening arm isn't ideal to me. He's not Roy or Cliff back in the day.

Snell was at 100 pitches. Even Dave Roberts let snell go to 100. And snell wasn’t remotely as good as luzardo as he was walking a ton of guys. Luzardo was at 72! 72 pitches. Like you know how well Luzardo had to be pitching to get through 6 at 72 pitches considering his first inning he had 24. Means the next 5 innings he had thrown 48 pitches to get 17 outs. Thats Fing Roy Halladay crap. He may not usually be halladay but that’s crap halladay does

As for Sanchez he was also close to 90 pitches when he began falling apart. Not 72 and not retiring 17 straight batters on 48 pitches. Again that’s Fing Roy halladay type pitching.

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Want to say don’t use Kerkering knowing this info then I’m fine with that. However Kerkering actually did his job that inning but Turner Fed up a throw home and really that throw changed this from 0-0 to 4-0

Turner threw the ball close to where JT’s glove was set up, on a bang-bang play. Could he have lead him slightly more towards home plate, yes, but only slightly because JT catches with his left hand. It would have been extremely awkward and hard to apply the tag to the runner at home based on where JT was lined up had Turner throw it significantly more towards home plate. It’s a makable play, no doubt, but it wasn’t an egregious throwing error.

Man the Dodgers are so much more disciplined at the plate

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Snell was at 100 pitches. Even Dave Roberts let snell go to 100. Luzardo was at 72! 72! Like you know how well Luzardo had to be pitching to get through 6 at 72 pitches considering his first inning he had 24. Means the next 5 innings he had thrown 48 pitches to get 17 outs. Thats Fing Roy Halladay crap.

As for Sanchez he was also close to 90 pitches when he began falling apart. Not 72 and not retiring 17 straight batters on 48 pitches. Again that’s Fing Roy halladay type pitching.

He threw 99 but he was weak a few batters before that in your own words and Luzardo isn't Snell. Yes 72 so he had maybe 10 before his arm started to weaken. So I thought it was wrong and it was. Guess where he fell off? So your argument is he only had 72 pitches and yet he fell off pretty fast. Pitch count doesn't matter. It wasn't F'ing Roy Holladay crap. The Dodgers are a good team. The more times they see you in one day with a weakening arm isn't good.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Snell was at 100 pitches. Even Dave Roberts let snell go to 100. Luzardo was at 72! 72! Like you know how well Luzardo had to be pitching to get through 6 at 72 pitches considering his first inning he had 24. Means the next 5 innings he had thrown 48 pitches to get 17 outs. Thats Fing Roy Halladay crap.

As for Sanchez he was also close to 90 pitches when he began falling apart. Not 72 and not retiring 17 straight batters on 48 pitches. Again that’s Fing Roy halladay type pitching.

100%. He was pulled way too early with a leaky bullpen. Topper is a doofus. He’s proven it time and time again.

Just now, Blazehound said:

Turner threw the ball to where JT’s glove was set up, on a bang-bang play. Could he have lead him slightly more towards home plate, yes, but only slightly because JT catches with his left hand. It would have been extremely awkward and hard to apply the tag to the runner at home based on where JT was lined up had Turner throw it significantly more towards home plate. It’s a makable play, no doubt, but it wasn’t an egregious throwing error.

Throw is not supposed to be to that side of Jt. It’s supposed to be to the plate where the tag needs to be applied. Don’t blame Turner. Then blame Jt for not setting up where he needed to be.

Either way Kerkering got the ball they needed to get in that situation. They didn’t make the play. After that Kerkering imploded. But frankly he had to face a minimum of 3 so we’re likely screw once they didn’t get that out.

Just now, Blazehound said:

100%. He was pulled way too early with a leaky bullpen. Topper is a doofus. He’s proven it time and time again.

So we’ve gone from we should’ve pulled luzardo earlier to now someone saying should’ve left luzardo in? lol.

My point was more there was no way in hell any manager saw what luzardo was doing going into the 7th and was like you know what I’m gonna pull him before the 7th.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He threw 99 but he was weak a few batters before that in your own words and Luzardo isn't Snell. Yes 72 so he had maybe 10 before his arm started to weaken. So I thought it was wrong and it was. Guess where he fell off? So your argument is he only had 72 pitches and yet he fell off pretty fast. Pitch count doesn't matter.

No, my argument is manager or person besides you in their right mind would take him out to start the 7th inning when he had retired 17 bats in a row against one of the best teams in baseball and had been that dominant. You are the only one that’s gonna ever argue that.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So we’ve gone from we should’ve pulled luzardo earlier to now someone saying should’ve left luzardo in? lol.

My point was more there was no way in hell any manager saw what luzardo was doing going into the 7th and was like you know what I’m gonna pull him before the 7th.

I thought it was pushing it. You think that's BS. Whatever. Defend his use of the pen as well I don't care. You are right. We can move on. Like I said I respect you so I don't care.

Bohm shining when the lights are dimmest

Fire topper anyway. He didn’t have a chance to screw this series up but I’m sure if we hit he’d have found a way to lose anyway

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I thought it was pushing it. You think that's BS. Whatever. Defend his use of the pen as well I don't care. You are right. We can move on. Like I said I respect you so I don't care.

I’m not gonna defend his use of the BP. I don’t think he does a good job being outside of the box creative with a bad pen. I just think their bullpen sucks is a bigger issue and whatever manager has that pen is doomed to failure. so whatever move he’s gonna make you’re basically skating on thin ice hoping it works out.

My issue is more you’re telling me you’re gonna remove a guy in luzardo who’s retired 17 bats in a row against one of the best teams in baseball (who’s about to win back to back World Series) and that guy has been dominating them to go to a bullpen that Fing sucks before the 7th starts. Nobody’s doing that. No offense You’re gonna hate the next manager too, because the next manager is still not doing that.

Wow Castellanos came through

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No, my argument is manager or person besides you in their right mind would take him out to start the 7th inning when he had retired 17 bats in a row against one of the best teams in baseball and had been that dominant. You are the only one that’s gonna ever argue that.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not gonna defend his use of the BP. I don’t think he does a good job being outside of the box creative with a bad pen. I just think their bullpen sucks is a bigger issue and whatever manager has that pen is doomed to failure. so whatever move he’s gonna make you’re basically skating on thin ice hoping it works out.

My issue is more you’re telling me you’re gonna remove a guy in luzardo who’s retired 17 bats in a row against one of the best teams in baseball (who’s about to win back to back World Series) and that guy has been dominating them to go to a bullpen that Fing sucks. Nobody’s doing that. No offense You’re gonna hate the next manager too, because the next manager is still not doing that.

That's fine. Maybe I look at things differently. To me it's how many times have they faced him? How many pitches can he throw at a very high level vs that very good team before he starts to weaken? 10 pitches would have been my guess. Do you want to blow a bad pen arm or go with Ranger in a game you obviously have to keep tight with the bats not going? To each their own. You want to get off before it crashes. Because he is facing the best team in baseball and because of how good they are that's why. Maybe I'm dumb for thinking that and have a bunch of Philly fan this is going to crash mentality in me as well. Like I said you right. I respect you and your knowledge is better than mine.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

That's fine. Maybe I look at things differently. To me it's how many times have they faced him? How many pitches can he throw at a very high level vs that very good team before he starts to weaken? 10 pitches would have been my guess. Do you want to blow a bad pen arm or go with Ranger in a game you obviously have to keep tight with the bats not going? To each their own. You want to get off before it crashes. Because he is facing the best team in baseball and because of how good they are that's why. Maybe I'm dumb for thinking that and have a bunch of Philly fan this is going to crash mentality in me as well. Like I said you right. I respect you and your knowledge is better than mine.

The issue is if they had a better bullpen I’d be way more on your side. We know their bullpen sucks. So you basically have to get seven innings so that you only have to get 6 outs from your bullpen. Anything more you are dealing with explosives. So I have no problem with the manager going with a guy who looked like Roy tonight. You ride him until he starts showing cracks because your bullpen has already showed the last two playoff to be terrible. We have legitimately one guy you can trust in Duran .

I can’t believe they have a chance to tie this.

If this team ties it up and loses in extra innings I’m smashing this hotel rooms tv im in

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The issue is if they had a better bullpen I’d be way more on your side. We know their bullpen sucks. So you basically have to get seven innings so that you only have to get 6 outs from your bullpen. Anything more you are dealing with explosives. So I have no problem with the manager going with a guy who looked like Roy tonight. You ride him until he starts showing cracks because your bullpen has already showed the last two playoff to be terrible. We have legitimately one guy you can trust in Duran .

Your side is usually the right one so you are probably safer where you are. Maybe I just have doom and gloom mentality get him out before he blows it.

Just now, BirdsFanBill said:

If this team ties it up and loses in extra innings I’m smashing this hotel rooms tv im in

Film it first and get the YouTube rev

OFC lmao

Topper making his mark with his opportunity

Topper continuing to kill this team with boneheaded decisions

Game will end with a double play now

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Your side is usually the right one so you are probably safer where you are. Maybe I just have doom and gloom mentality get him out before he blows it.

My thing is fire Thomson. I don’t really care. I think he’s replaceable. He’s part of a problem but bigger problem is their GM roster construction. The problem is if another manager comes in and does what you said you wanted at 72 pitches and the bullpen implodes he’s getting run out of town. Like no other manager is touching luzardo at that point. If he was 85-90 pitches I’d be more on your side.

That would have tied the game. Thanks Robby T