Just now, eagle45 said:

He’s got the worst career slugging % and OPS of anyone in the lineup.

JFC he’s a second baseman. He’s not chase utley. ideally want out of your 2B getting on base and a decent average and hope for a little pop. If he played outfield, particularly the corner, first base or third base I would be more concerned with his slugging. Go look around baseball most teams second baseman arent their top guys for slugging, OPS or HRs. Second base are not usually power hitters. If you have one, it’s a rarity.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

. If he can hit .260-.275 for prolong periods with .345-350 OBP that’s what you want out of him. He did that for a week

a week is not a prolonged period.

He’s the worst hitter in the lineup, a bad lineup, over a career. Bohm and Garcia are gone in a year.

Stott won’t be. He’ll be here hitting like crap again next year.

So that’s why I’m picking on him.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

a week is not a prolonged period.

He’s the worst hitter in the lineup, a bad lineup, over a career. Bohm and Garcia are gone in a year.

Stott won’t be. He’ll be here hitting like crap again next year.

So that’s why I’m picking on him.

No, you’re picking on him because you just don’t like him. I don’t give a crap if Bohm and Garcia are gone in a year. They’ve been far worse analytically than he has and yet you’re sitting here telling me he’s the worst. The analytics tell you otherwise. He is also making the least amount of money out of everybody in that lineup besides marsh (who is still awful against LHP) an Crawford

so you know here’s his rankings in 2025 for 2b: had 499 ABs (includes some guys that got labeled as 2B as they played there for a couple games and it’s not their normal position)

HR- 22nd (someone these guys are not pure second baseman; for pure second basemen he’s top 15)

RBI— 13th

Total hits— 16th

Avg— 16th batters with a minimum 400 ABs

OBP- 17th minimum 400ABs

SLG— 19th minimum 400ABs

OPS— 17th minimum 400 AB:

WAR— 6th by fangraph (defense helps him here)

If I went by just pure second basement and guys who aren’t multiposition players who are expected to have more power like 3b who can play SS and 2B that counted for 3-4 games they played at 2b. he would actually move up on those rankings and be closer to slightly above avg in 2025

So let’s just say last year offensively he was league average for 2b and he is a great defensive player according to the analytics. So the analytics are not on your side stating he’s the worst hitter on the team cause his position he’s league avg (frankly slightly higher if we just went pure second basemen). Guys on this team who were below league avg for their position last year.

I’d also point out they’re 10 guys in front of him in HRs last year at second base with 1-3 more HRs. So he wasn't far off from going from 22 to top 12. Were only 6 qualified "2b” that hit 20+ homers. 2b who did it predominantly as 2b was altuve(moved him to Of part time now), Lowe, Marte and Polanco. So in all of baseball 4 out of 30 teams who have 2b that are predominantly 2b who are in the mold. Top 30 HR hitters at 2b the avg was 15.8 in 2025

If you are going completely ignore or deflect his hitting deficiencies simply because of his position, then you need to acknowledge a few other things about 2b. Outside of catcher and bullpen, it’s the lowest paid position in baseball. 2b is one of the most shuffled, platooned, and replaced positions in baseball. More talented mainstays drift towards other positions and utility infielders end up at 2b. So if you really want to not evaluate Stott as the isolated bad hitter that he is and only compare him vs 2b….then make it even more apples to apples and compare him to the select few second basemen that actually keep their jobs year in, year out and have held onto the starting position for 4-5 years with one team without getting cycled out as utility infielders.

If Stott were so good, why does he keep finding himself in a platoon with career scrub Sosa? No player that is a 5 year mainstay starter should be consistently giving way to a platoon.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If you are going completely ignore or deflect his hitting deficiencies simply because of his position, then you need to acknowledge a few other things about 2b. Outside of catcher and bullpen, it’s the lowest paid position in baseball. 2b is one of the most shuffled, platooned, and replaced positions in baseball. More talented mainstays drift towards other positions and utility infielders end up at 2b. So if you really want to not evaluate Stott as the isolated bad hitter that he is and only compare him vs 2b….then make it even more apples to apples and compare him to the select few second basemen that actually keep their jobs year in, year out and have held onto the starting position for 4-5 years with one team without getting cycled out as utility infielders.

You really wanna talk about it deflection, you literally told me he’s the worst pure hitter on the team but the analytics in 2026 tell you Garcia and Bohm are worse. And when I brought up, they were worse you told me they’re not gonna be here in 2026 so it doesn’t matter. That is the definition of changing your narrative after the fact you said something that turned out to be untrue.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If Stott were so good, why does he keep finding himself in a platoon with career scrub Sosa? No player that is a 5 year mainstay starter should be consistently giving way to a platoon.

he had 499 at bats which would be top 15 at his position in 2025. And for guys who just play predominantly 2b he’s top 10.

Nobody said he was great. My problem with you is your definition of he sucks and is the worse is based on not knowing the rest of the league. because the league average and stats tell you he’s basically been league avg as a hitter for second base over the last 3 years

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You really wanna talk about it deflection, you literally told me he’s the worst hitter on the team but the analytics in 2026 tell you Garcia and boom is worse. And when I brought up, they were worse you told me they’re not gonna be here in 2026 so it doesn’t matter. That is the definition of a deflection.

You asked me why I’m singling out Stott. He’s been here 5 years. He’s not imminently going anywhere. And he’s a bad hitter. Garcia is here for a cup of coffee. I don’t see much point in debating how he sucks.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You asked me why I’m singling out Stott. He’s been here 5 years. He’s not imminently going anywhere. And he’s a bad hitter. Garcia is here for a cup of coffee. I don’t see much point in debating how he sucks.

He has one year more than Bohm because bohm is in his 7th year. Yet we haven’t replaced him and he’s been below league avg multiple years in multiple categories of his career at a position you need SLG, HR and OPS. Also, just because Bohm is leaving next year does not mean he’s not the worst pure hitter on the team right now. he’s at a position where you need power and slugging and OPS. Yet he has been mediocre with power and slugging second half of 2024 and 2025 hasn’t been all that much better than Stott. Heck Stott has 1 less HR the last 2 years to Bohm who plays a power hitting position. Also Stott has had more doubles than Bohm in 2 of the last 4 years. Again Bohm should be significantly better considering his position and what you need and expect from it.

furthermore he’s not a bad hitter if he’s a league average for his position. 2025 he was the definition of league avg hitter at 2B. Which the analytics showed in 2025 (in 2023 he was above league avg and in 2024 he was below). So over the course of the last three years, he’s basically been league average hitting second baseman. So your definition of bad is based off you wanting him to be top tier 2b and not what the avg hitting 2B gives you. cause the analytics/stats say he is league avg. if you wanted to tell me, he’s a league average second base offensively then I would agree with you. Saying he’s bad is basically ignoring the statistics/analytics at second base for entire MLB that he’s hovered around league average as a hitter for his position

Finally, that wasn’t your initial argument. Your initial argument was he’s the worst pure hitter on the team. That is not a true statement as the analytics indicate Bohm is significantly worse right now (Garcia has gotten worse since the 1st week of the season and was signed to be a power hitter and his power has 2 more doubles and 2 more homers than Stott, Marchan maybe the worst player in MLB as a hitter but he’s not a starter). As soon as it was brought up Garcia and Bohm were worse, you changed it to they are not back next year so i don’t care to discuss them.

I’d also point out it’s not a given Stott is back next year. Aroon Escobar is in double A. If he continues to progress and get to triple A by years end then they could theoretically deal Stott to avoid paying him his last year of arbitration and go Escobar at 2b to save money.

lol

Seriously? What a load of BS. I’d fire him just because he said this BS and it’s absolutely ridiculous

9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol

Walker makes every Mario Mendoza out there look like either Ruth or DiMaggio

Be nice if they would hold some of the losers on offense accountable in some way too, just don't really see how.

31 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Be nice if they would hold some of the losers on offense accountable in some way too, just don't really see how.

Thanks Dave !

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Thanks Dave !

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wonder if Middleton is aware of all these busts and how much money of his DD has wasted. Who knows, maybe Middleton has his head buried so far up Dave's ass that he doesn't care. I do wonder how much different the team would be run if Preston Mattingly took over. This team needs a major reset in the worst way.

6 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

I wonder if Middleton is aware of all these busts and how much money of his DD has wasted. Who knows, maybe Middleton has his head buried so far up Dave's ass that he doesn't care. I do wonder how much different the team would be run if Preston Mattingly took over. This team needs a major reset in the worst way.

Tbh I’d just blow the entire thing up. You have these contracts that you really aren’t going to be able to get out of. So you are likely on this downward trajectory for the next 3 to 5 years. So you better have someone that can identify talent and put guys in place to develop them.

So go out there and look at guys who have worked in organizations or who have done a revamping of farm systems with success. Because the way you’re gonna be able to overcome some of these bad contracts and when they eventually get off sustained success is to build your farm system up the right way while adding pieces in FA or trades to it. need somebody who can identify talent, but also put guys in place that he trust and knows to help develop and enhance that talent. That’s the point you’re at now. Whether the Phillies want to admit it or not, Dombrowski needs to be fired everybody and the organization needs to be gone because they haven’t done a good enough job, particularly with hitters developing and identifying the right talent.

Walker was his worst signing in my opinion. I mean, Nick actually had some big hits while he was here, although I’ll concede that had become a rarity.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Thanks Dave !

Is there a big market for right-handed pitchers with an ERA of over 9???

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

Is there a big market for right-handed pitchers with an ERA of over 9???

Watch Dave just bring him back on a new $5 mil contract

Man, I would love to "get fired" and still collect millions of dollars. Should have been a Baseball Player. 🤓🙃🤓🙃🤓

Whelp. Jobs are on the line. Pride on the line. Ace on the mound.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Whelp. Jobs are on the line. Pride on the line. Ace on the mound.

They’re gonna get swept

Damn even Sanchez getting shelled now - they are COOKED