August 2, 20224 yr Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: He’s got a lot of controllable years left. Good defensively. But he’s the same type of hitter as we’ve seen from the centerfielders we have. Which I guess is not a problem once you get Segura and Harper back. I think the thing is you see them make a splash for trea Turner in the offseason so they really didn’t want to make a huge splash in terms of money on a centerfielder. I guess, and it's good that he's under control and cheap. Just...underwhelming. If this means Herrera is cut...WORTH IT.
August 2, 20224 yr Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: He’s got a lot of controllable years left. Good defensively. But he’s the same type of hitter as we’ve seen from the centerfielders we have. Which I guess is not a problem once you get Segura and Harper back. I think the thing is you see them make a splash for trea Turner in the offseason so they really didn’t want to make a huge splash in terms of money on a centerfielder. I don't know anything about this Marsh guy but is he better defensively than Vierling? If not, I would have just stuck with him and kept O'hoppe.
August 2, 20224 yr Just now, Shepard Wong said: Imo that’s a potential for a bad deal in a couple years. I like Robertson but I’m not trading one of my better pitching prospects (has good upside) for a reliever who’s 37 and a FA at the end of the year. Frankly they could’ve just Fing signed Robertson last offseason instead of crappy ass familia for $6 mil.
August 2, 20224 yr 9 minutes ago, vsptroops said: I don't know anything about this Marsh guy but is he better defensively than Vierling? If not, I would have just stuck with him and kept O'hoppe. He’s better than vierling defensively. Really helps castellanos and schwarber in the outfield. but it really isn’t so significant enough for me to want to deal O’hoppe so they Phillies must think at 24 he’ll become a better hitter. Fielding in 2021 was .994 and this year .983. The thing with O’hoppe is realmuto is starting to decline and he could be a nice catch who can hit and be ready by 2024 when relamuto really declines.
August 2, 20224 yr Terrible trades IMO. Marsh sucks at the plate. Beyond terrible. Robertson, while a good reliever, wasn’t really a need and offers no controllable years after this season.
August 2, 20224 yr Just now, Blazehound said: Terrible trades IMO. Marsh sucks at the plate. Beyond terrible. Robertson, while a good reliever, wasn’t really a need and offers no controllable years after this season. Looking at his stats for the first two years of his mlb career, idk if I'd say he sucks at the plate.....hes not winning a silver slugger this year sure but ok. We needed one more decent bullpen arm to make the bullpen formidable in my opinion. I definitely think it was a need if we are trying to make a postseason push. Idk if I'd have given up what we did for Robertson though.
August 2, 20224 yr 6 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said: Looking at his stats for the first two years of his mlb career, idk if I'd say he sucks at the plate.....hes not winning a silver slugger this year sure but ok. We needed one more decent bullpen arm to make the bullpen formidable in my opinion. I definitely think it was a need if we are trying to make a postseason push. Idk if I'd have given up what we did for Robertson though. Marsh has had 4 homers and 11 RBI batting a lusty .180 since June. Yeah, I’d say he sucks at the plate.
August 2, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: Can never have too many BP arms. But this offense is way to streaky and Marsh doesn’t fix that. Odubel DFA’d!!!! Woo hoooo!!! Adding in the end of Odubel, I now love this trade. In all seriousness, seems Marsh hit at every level in the minors. Hopefully he develops while adding defense. Still a steep price, but not horrific.
August 2, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said: Looking at his stats for the first two years of his mlb career, idk if I'd say he sucks at the plate.....hes not winning a silver slugger this year sure but ok. We needed one more decent bullpen arm to make the bullpen formidable in my opinion. I definitely think it was a need if we are trying to make a postseason push. Idk if I'd have given up what we did for Robertson though. Tbh this goes back to the Phillies not having a good farm system. So you’re giving up talent for a good reliever with no control after this year and old. A centerfielder that’s good defensively but can’t really hit. If you had the farm system churning guys out this wouldn’t be that big of an issue. But you don’t so this becomes much harder be willing to give up those players for marsh and Robertson. Just my opinion I wouldn’t have traded O’Hoppe for marsh. Realmuto has already shown that he is starting to decline. In two years you might need him to be the catcher and he is a good hitting catcher. Catching prospect that can hit and field is a valuable commodity. Much more so than hoping marsh learns how to hit at the mlb level after basically 2 years. Feels like marsh is destined to be a platoon CF unless he turns around his hitting.
August 2, 20224 yr Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said: Meh. Make him shave and I’ll give him a chance. I still wouldn't have made the trade, but I can sorta see the logic.
August 2, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Blazehound said: Marsh has had 4 homers and 11 RBI batting a lusty .180 since June. Yeah, I’d say he sucks at the plate. Yeah you're right. It's best to evaluate 24 year old baseball players on two months of statistics in a 6 month season.
August 2, 20224 yr Just now, vikas83 said: I still wouldn't have made the trade, but I can sorta see the logic. I get the logic if they believe they can get him to hit. However i think it’s a huge gamble with that type of prospect to give up. Tbh i rather be the angels in that trade. Frankly I’d be more willing to do the O’hoppe trade if the Phillies went Susac in the draft like i wanted. Then they’d have a highly touted catcher that was ready in a year or two. Making O’hoppe more expendable.
August 2, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, iladelphxx said: The Moniak and Haseley picks killed us I’d add their development in the intentional market as well. They really haven’t developed someone from that pool in what seems like forever. Like Carlos Ruiz feels like the last one.
August 2, 20224 yr Just now, BirdsFanBill said: Yeah you're right. It's best to evaluate 24 year old baseball players on two months of statistics in a 6 month season. He’s been a terrible hitter so far in his major league career and has only gotten worse throughout this season. I don’t know what to tell you.
August 2, 20224 yr That’s my logic behind why they did it. Still see it as a huge gamble when the Phillies haven’t exactly crushed it with their own prospects hitting wise besides bohm. Rhys they managed to make worse from what he was by changing his swing for a couple years
August 2, 20224 yr That said bullpen looks fantastic now if Robertson stays healthy and pitches like he has. They still have a massive hole in the rotation. And hitting wise is still up and down issue until segura and harper return.
August 2, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: That’s my logic behind why they did it. Still see it as a huge gamble when the Phillies haven’t exactly crushed it with their own prospects hitting wise besides bohm. Rhys they managed to make worse from what he was by changing his swing for a couple years The strikeout numbers are concerning. If he doesn't improve then yes of course this was a bad trade. We will see. Either way lets all celebrate the departure of Odubel.
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