August 24, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, Blazehound said: How haven’t they fired Topper or Long yet? Long should be first to go
August 24, 20242 yr Five games is a line of sorts and the sheet just got real. Will they respond or will they wilt further?
August 24, 20242 yr If Stott still has that rainbow colored song come on at our next home game, I’m smashing my tv.
August 24, 20242 yr Marsh will two hits and no strikeouts. Does he go back to 0-4 and two strikeouts in his next chance?
August 24, 20242 yr 9 hours ago, John Blutarski said: 3-12 with RISP. Schwarber and Turner ice cold 0-10 with 6 K's. The risp has been an issue for 3 years now. They’ll feast for 2 games then famine/look poor for like 5-6 games. The overall numbers aren't indicative of what the overall problem is. They are wildly inconsistent. There’s going to be ups and downs but they are all over the place depending on the game. Even in 2022 they had similar type of issues. Wasn’t nearly as extreme as last year and this year. The difference was they had Rhys hitting 292 with RISP and they got hot at the right time so it was overlooked that they had these type of issues with consistency with RISP.
August 24, 20242 yr 4 hours ago, Blazehound said: How haven’t they fired Topper or Long yet? You didn't know? They can't fire anybody. That shows panic. That's why Thomson keeps shoving the same line-up down our throat's game after game. Just listen to him, it's better to do nothing and continue to let the season spiral out of control. Apparently doing something different will cause them to play worse, as if that's possible.
August 24, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: Marsh will two hits and no strikeouts. Does he go back to 0-4 and two strikeouts in his next chance? Yes
August 24, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, vsptroops said: You didn't know? They can't fire anybody. That shows panic. That's why Thomson keeps shoving the same line-up down our throat's game after game. Just listen to him, it's better to do nothing and continue to let the season spiral out of control. Apparently doing something different will cause them to play worse, as if that's possible. The firing of Thomson and long i somewhat understand. They probably have done it earlier in the season if they were playing like this cause they did it with Girardi. This late, they won’t do it. Frankly I’m surprised the mariners did it. Which tells me the GM is likely in trouble if they fail to make the playoffs and he’s trying to save his own job. the no drastic changes to the lineup is a bigger issue. Should’ve done that in the nlcs last year when basically everyone struggled the last 5 games of the series. Don’t want to show panic but really you also don’t want to show stubbornness either. Stubbornness can beat you just as easily. Frankly they need to show panic because it’s the most urgency they’d have shown in months. It’s why i said I’d take schwarber out of leadoff and into cleanup. really start trying other things. Clearly it isn’t working like years past with how they’ve played the last 3 months dating back to the Rockies and giants road trip as they are 37-41. So try something new. Worse that happens it doesn’t work and you can go back to it. Not winning now anyway so what difference is it if it’s not working a new way
August 24, 20242 yr 49 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: The firing of Thomson and long i somewhat understand. They probably have done it earlier in the season if they were playing like this cause they did it with Girardi. This late, they won’t do it. Frankly I’m surprised the mariners did it. Which tells me the GM is likely in trouble if they fail to make the playoffs and he’s trying to save his own job. the no drastic changes to the lineup is a bigger issue. Should’ve done that in the nlcs last year when basically everyone struggled the last 5 games of the series. Don’t want to show panic but really you also don’t want to show stubbornness either. Stubbornness can beat you just as easily. Frankly they need to show panic because it’s the most urgency they’d have shown in months. It’s why i said I’d take schwarber out of leadoff and into cleanup. really start trying other things. Clearly it isn’t working like years past with how they’ve played the last 3 months dating back to the Rockies and giants road trip as they are 37-41. So try something new. Worse that happens it doesn’t work and you can go back to it. Not winning now anyway so what difference is it if it’s not working a new way No I get not firing Rob now, but how about Long? WTF does he do? Make him the sacrificial lamb to send a message. In regards to his lineup, if he's not gonna change anything, then what's the point of a Manager then? Just put one of the analytic dorks in the dugout and let them run the game by the numbers. Rob would rather be their friend though and be liked instead of having to make tough decisions.
August 24, 20242 yr 17 minutes ago, vsptroops said: No I get not firing Rob now, but how about Long? WTF does he do? Make him the sacrificial lamb to send a message. In regards to his lineup, if he's not gonna change anything, then what's the point of a Manager then? Just put one of the analytic dorks in the dugout and let them run the game by the numbers. Rob would rather be their friend though and be liked instead of having to make tough decisions. I don’t disagree with firing long, but the problem is going to be who you gonna get to replace him with a month left in the season. You have to have somebody that can communicate with the players and get them to change. I don’t think it’s just gonna wake them up firing him because they’re still gonna have the same flaws that they have you need somebody that can fix some of their flaws. Or get through to them and help them snap out of it. Essentially the guy you hire is just an interim hitting coach. Not really a bunch of great in house candidates in the organization. Add on if it crashes and burns anyway and you fire Thomson then that hitting coach is likely gone at the end of the year as well. So gonna need to either promote from within (we really don’t have great in house candidates. I’d have said Charlie Manuel but health prevents him from doing it) or have someone from the outside willing to do the job for basically a month and candidate pool is not going to be robust. I’d add a chance if you fire long to send a message that you get the same thing that happened with the eagles and they just completely roll over and die as a lot of players love long. I don’t disagree with you that I would fire Kevin Long to try to send a message. you’re spiraling anyways. But there is a world where where it doesn’t send a message and they actually just give up entirely. I know they’re playing bad and they look awful, but I don’t think it’s from a lack of effort (besides Turner not running it out a couple weeks ago). I think if you make that move and it backfires, you’re going to get guys not caring and just the season completely slips away.
August 24, 20242 yr 9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: I don’t disagree with firing long, but the problem is going to be who you gonna get to replace him with a month left in the season. You have to have somebody that can communicate with the players and get them to change. I don’t think it’s just gonna wake them up firing him because they’re still gonna have the same flaws that they have you need somebody that can fix some of their flaws. Or get through to them and help them snap out of it. Essentially the guy you hire is just an interim hitting coach. Not really a bunch of great in house candidates in the organization. Add on if it crashes and burns anyway and you fire Thomson then that hitting coach is likely gone at the end of the year as well. So gonna need to either promote from within (we really don’t have great in house candidates. I’d have said Charlie Manuel but health prevents him from doing it) or have someone from the outside willing to do the job for basically a month and candidate pool is not going to be robust. I’d add a chance if you fire long to send a message that you get the same thing that happened with the eagles and they just completely roll over and die as a lot of players love long. I don’t disagree with you that I would fire Kevin Long to try to send a message. you’re spiraling anyways. But there is a world where where it doesn’t send a message and they actually just give up entirely. I know they’re playing bad and they look awful, but I don’t think it’s from a lack of effort (besides Turner not running it out a couple weeks ago). I think if you make that move and it backfires, you’re going to get guys not caring and just the season completely slips away. yeah next year, they cannot run this back or else, this team will go downhill and probably not come back for a long time. coaches, manager, general manager, they have to be cleared out, no excuse for this to happen.
August 24, 20242 yr 3 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said: yeah next year, they cannot run this back or else, this team will go downhill and probably not come back for a long time. coaches, manager, general manager, they have to be cleared out, no excuse for this to happen. They’ll be changes. However have a hard time believing guys like wheeler, Harper, Nola, Ranger, Sanchez, schwarber, Castellanos and Turner will be gone. Their contracts either make it difficult to do it or they are winning type players they won’t want to trade away when they likely think their window is still open. imo their bullpen likely looks vastly different. Tend to think estevez, Alvarado are gone. Hoffman is unknown as he’s a FA. strahm and Kerkering are likely to knows back. I’m guessing Ruiz and lazar are back too. So likely going out and getting 2-3 new arms. rotation is likely wheeler, nola, Sanchez and Ranger. Painter as the 5th on an innings limit so likely acquire a 5th starter either prior to the season or at the deadline (preferably FA as no prospects given up). the lineup is interesting. Cause technically have 4 spots where can use upgrades: second, LF, CF and C. Catcher i think it’s going to be realmuto and Marchan in a platoon that’s 60/40. Then again Marchan never stays healthy. He’s currently injured in the minors. To me I’d be shocked if they don’t make a big move in LF or CF. Imo i think they like to see Rojas next year to see if he makes a jump in his second full season. If he does then they are golden. If he doesn’t i think there’s a chance Crawford is called up at some point middle of the season where they can get him for the year and not give up one of his cheap years. To me LF makes the most sense as marsh is what he is. Unless he just completely turns it around down the stretch i think 2.5 years of trying to fix him is enough to say it’s likely not happening. He has 3 cheap controllable years left so I’m guessing they can trade him and likely get a bullpen piece from a team that wants to try fixing him on a cheap contract and then trade him if they do to cash in. Stott’s situation is much more murky. Caba and miller can be the future at 2b or move turner to 2b and miller/caba take over. Problem is neither are going to be ready next year. Most likely miller in 2026. And Caba likely mid season 2026 or 2027. So essentially see if Stott pans out in 2025 and plays like 2023. Or have a one year bridge. I’m guessing the Phillies value Stott highly enough to give him another year. imo new BP, 5th starter and a LF is likely what you are getting from the Phillies offseason. If they fail hitting wise i think long is gone and Thomson is on a short leash in 2025 like Girardi was in 2022
August 24, 20242 yr Obvious to everyone but the Phillies record the last 4 years when hitting 0 homeruns in a game 2021: 15-37 2022: 16-35 2023: 11-28 2024: 14-26
August 25, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Obvious to everyone but the Phillies record the last 4 years when hitting 0 homeruns in a game 2021: 15-37 2022: 16-35 2023: 11-28 2024: 14-26 Now do their record in the playoffs the last 2 postseasons when they dont hit a homer. Probably just as gross.
August 25, 20242 yr 3 minutes ago, vsptroops said: Now do their record in the playoffs the last 2 postseasons when they do and don't hit a homer. Probably just as gross. 2021: no playoffs 2022: 2-3 2023: 1-2 last year they got as far as they did cause they basically hit homers galore through game 2 of the nlcs. After game two they didn’t hit homers in games 3 or 6. Lost both.
August 25, 20242 yr Welcome back Ranger, great command, the stamina will come. Score some runs for this man!!!
August 25, 20242 yr There ya go. It’s about time someone sits in a 3-0 fast ball and drives that mofo.
August 25, 20242 yr just had to throw Ruiz into the game here. Why? Tomorrow you have allard going. You might actually need Ruiz to give you 2-3 innings tomorrow. Nope let’s throw him tonight in a 5-1 game. Should’ve been Kerkering then strahm then Hoffman then estevez. It doesn’t have to be this hard except our manager is a moron
August 25, 20242 yr Looks like Realmuto finally got tired of all of us ****ing about his abysmal hitting with RISP.
August 25, 20242 yr 5 minutes ago, NothingClever said: Looks like Realmuto finally got tired of all of us ****ing about his abysmal hitting with RISP.
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