44 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

, but the style has 100% failure rate at protecting the QB from himself and the career running short. He won't be worth a damn by 28 at this rate.  

Yes .. and the world will end in 12  11 years if we don't all drive Teslas. 

46 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

 I get it only takes one hit for any player, but the statistics prove outside the pocket is twice as dangerous. Murray and z. Wilson were hurt outside the pocket without even taking a hit! It's not where qbs should operate. 

Both running and passing QBs have to venture outside the pocket or they will take a beating in the pocket. I already posted a montage of videos showing passing QBs getting hurt in and out of the pocket while attempting to get a pass off. Once again, non contact injuries can happen in or out of the pocket. D. Watson tore his ACL in practice on a non-contact play. 

Who is to say "where QBs should operate?" Some have better passing grades outside the pocket than inside. Defenses have to play differently. 

8 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Okay so we are in the complain about Jalen mode fine. Please tell me what is the better option? What available quarterbacks from this off-season has the Eagles where they are right now? What’s the move we take from here? Carr? (Benched) Jimmy G? (Hurt worse than Jalen) Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, or Daniel Jones? (Same basic hack) Who is this quarterback we have to have that will get this done better than Jalen? 

Are we really talking about Jalen Hurts not being extended right now? Going in a different direction? He has appeared franchise-y this year, almost MVP-like.

Wanna trade for a QB? How about Aaron Rodgers? 

Wanna free agent? Why not Tom Brady? 

Wanna settle? Why not Garoppolo?

Wanna draft a new QB? How about Will Levis from Kentucky?

Wanna trade Jalen Hurts? He is hurt right now. Not getting top package, but there could be a market.

I think Jalen Hurts gets extended and the challenge to Roseman is how to fit under the cap moving forward.

This year is our window of opportunity while Hurts is paid so little and Howie can afford so many free agent pieces.

16 hours ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

It’s just fake worry. The goalposts have been moved so often this season, we’d all have a million dollars based off each time they dreamt up another bs narrative for a dollar.. 

 

they never thought in their wildest most inaccurate dreams that hurts would be this good and that they would so INCREDIBLY WRONG. So they make up new fake things to worry about to try to save face. 
 

"oh! But can he be consistent all year?”

”can his completion percentage improve?”

"How about vs tough defenses?”

”he’s only beat teams with bad records!”

”can he win in a shootout tho?”

 

it’s so fraudulent and transparent. 

 

What is wrong with asking questions and a player needing to prove themselves?

I will say it again.

 

We have all stated, multiple times, that he has played very well this year.

Does not mean we cant still have doubts about long term success.  Every Raven and Panthers fan who doubted the long term success of Lamar ( after an MVP award ) and Cam Newton ( after an MVP award and Super Bowl appearance ) are looking pretty smart right now.

40 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Are we really talking about Jalen Hurts not being extended right now?

Yes.  No one is saying to move on, but need to see it again, injury free next year before the big contract.

If the Eagles go one and done in the playoffs ( I do not expect that to happen ) then we still have as many questions as answers.

Next years team will not be as good as this one, the roster will change, and we are potentially losing major veterans ( Kelce, Graham, Cox even though his play has been slipping for a while )

Also have to replace Hargrave, Bradberry, have to re sign CGJ, find a running back, hope Dean is ready to go, hope Davis can handle an increased work load.

On top of all that, the schedule is tougher, with home games against the Bills, 49ers, Dolphins and Vikings, and road trips to the Rams ( if they get it together ), Patriots, Seahawks, Chiefs and Buccaneers.

I think, minus a Super Bowl appearance, there is still legitimate questions, and after paying the last QB too early and it imploding, the Eagles front office will be justified in waiting on more year.

But if everything I hear about Jalen is true, he will not complain or hold out, he will put the work in and prove it.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

I think, minus a Super Bowl appearance, there is still legitimate questions, and after paying the last QB to early and it imploding, the Eagles front office will be justified in waiting on more year.

You know me, I'm a big big hurts fan and I defend him a lot. But I have to be honest I do agree with you here. If they can tag him next year then they should. That assumes of course we don't make the SB. If we do and Hurts is great then you extend him. 

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You know me, I'm a big big hurts fan and I defend him a lot. But I have to be honest I do agree with you here. If they can tag him next year then they should. That assumes of course we don't make the SB. If we do and Hurts is great then you extend him. 

He is under contract for next season, and the tag is an option for 2024.

Just now, downundermike said:

He is under contract for next season, and the tag is an option for 2024.

Oh really? Oh yeah 4 year contract and then the tag. Yeah very good point. And look he's going to get paid. Sure the QB market will move on in a year but the cap will also increase. 

8 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Offensively and defensively one of the greatest seasons in franchise history and it’s kind of sad these people can’t enjoy it, because they hat the quarterback so much. Jalen’s taking them all kicking and screaming into the playoffs. 😂

This season is great, but after getting that championship in 2017, I want more.

Nobody hates Jalen, you need to let that tired narrative go.  Everyone is happy with the season, but I am in the mood for a dynasty, and I want a QB who can stay healthy and provide, that, whether it be Jalen or someone else.

Using the recent examples of Lamar and Cam, we are very justified in having doubts about sustaining this long term.

6 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Oh really? Oh yeah 4 year contract and then the tag. Yeah very good point. And look he's going to get paid. Sure the QB market will move on in a year but the cap will also increase. 

Yes, of all the people here, I have a good grip of the cap.

Projected to be 225 million for the 2023 season, and 256 million in 2024.

Next year we have about 20 million in space right now, with 43 players under contract.  You know who we have to replace, Howie is going to have to do his thing, create dead cap and rob future cap space.

2024 is the real concern.  Projecting the cap at 256 million, the Eagles currently have 48 million in cap space, with 27 players under contract.  Some of that cap space will be taken with Howie creating space this year.   So currently, the Eagles have 80% of the 2024 cap allocated to 28 players ( half the roster ).  Limited cap and draft picks this year means we are going go have a lot of work to do in 2024, and Jalen will either be tagged or in the first year of his extension.  Here is what the 2024 depth chart currently looks like.

 

Wentz got hurt running against the Rams in 2017.

He got hurt running against the Seahawks in 2019.

Dak got hurt running in 2020.

Daniel Jones got hurt this season running.

Jalen got hurt running this season.

That's five times in the last five seasons just in this division. How people are still trying to argue that running isnt dangerous for a QB is beyond me.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Wentz got hurt running against the Rams in 2017.

He got hurt running against the Seahawks in 2019.

Dak got hurt running in 2020.

Daniel Jones got hurt this season running.

Jalen got hurt running this season.

That's five times in the last five seasons just in this division. How people are still trying to argue that running isnt dangerous for a QB is beyond me.

They can get hurt anywhere dammit!! 

35 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Wentz got hurt running against the Rams in 2017.

He got hurt running against the Seahawks in 2019.

Dak got hurt running in 2020.

Daniel Jones got hurt this season running.

Jalen got hurt running this season.

That's five times in the last five seasons just in this division. How people are still trying to argue that running isnt dangerous for a QB is beyond me.

I think it's covering up the fact they don't trust his game inside the pocket so they deflect and blame anybody who ask the obvious questions going forward as haters. 

Joe Burrow:

2021 - 520 pass attempts, 51 sacks and another 48 hits (I’m assuming they are counting hits and sacks separately based on these numbers), 40 rushes 139 total hits taken/560 plays, 25% hit rate

2022 - 606 pass attempts, 41 sacks, 50 hits, 75 rushes, 166 hits taken/681 plays, 24% hit rate

 

Lamar:

2021 - 382 attempts, 38 sacks, 29 hits, 133 rushes, 200 hits/515 plays, 39% hit rate

2022 - 326 attempts, 26 sacks, 15 hits, 112 rushes, 153 hits/438 plays, 35% hit rate

 

Allen:

2021 - 646 attempts, 26 sacks, 64 hits, 122 rushes, 212 hits/768 plays; 28% of plays

2022 - 567 attempts, 33 sacks, 42 hits, 124 rushes, 199 hits/691 plays, 29% hit rate

 

Hurts:

2021 - 432 attempts, 26 sacks, 32 hits, 139 rushes, 197 hits/571 plays, 34.5% hit rate 

2022 - 460 attempts, 38 sacks, 22 hits, 165 rushes, 205 hits/625 plays, 33% hit rate

 

Brady (for fun):

2021 - 719 attempts, 22 sacks, 31 hits, 28 rushes, 81/747 plays, 11% hit rate (lol)

2022 - 733 attempts, 22 sacks, 55 hits, 29 rushes, 106 hits/762 plays, 14% hit rate

Mahomes:

2021 - 658 attempts, 28 sacks, 58 hits, 66 rushes, 152 hits/724 plays, 21% hit rate

2022 - 648 attempts, 26 sacks, 56 hits, 61 rushes, 143 hits/709 plays, 20% hit rate

Murray:

2021 - 481 attempts, 31 sacks, 13 hits, 88 rushes, 132 hits/569 plays, 23% hit rate 

2022 - 390 attempts, 25 sacks, 15 hits, 67 rushes, 107 hits/457 plays, 23% hit rate

 

Summary:

I didn’t know what the numbers would say going into this exercise. Murray surprised the most, his avoidance of "hits” is pretty remarkable. 
 

Interesting that Allen and Burrow aren’t so far apart. I think anything north of 25% is too much for my liking honestly, and would like to see Hurts get that number lower than at least 30% next year. Otherwise, he’s going to be on the same path as Lamar, which isn’t a good one.

Obviously this doesn’t account for kneel downs or getting OOB, but the variable is the same for all QBs.

And of course, Brady’s numbers are ridiculous.

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Joe Burrow:

2021 - 520 pass attempts, 51 sacks and another 48 hits (I’m assuming they are counting hits and sacks separately based on these numbers), 40 rushes 139 total hits taken/560 plays, 25% hit rate

2022 - 606 pass attempts, 41 sacks, 50 hits, 75 rushes, 166 hits taken/681 plays, 24% hit rate

 

Lamar:

2021 - 382 attempts, 38 sacks, 29 hits, 133 rushes, 200 hits/515 plays, 39% hit rate

2022 - 326 attempts, 26 sacks, 15 hits, 112 rushes, 153 hits/438 plays, 35% hit rate

 

Allen:

2021 - 646 attempts, 26 sacks, 64 hits, 122 rushes, 212 hits/768 plays; 28% of plays

2022 - 567 attempts, 33 sacks, 42 hits, 124 rushes, 199 hits/691 plays, 29% hit rate

 

Hurts:

2021 - 432 attempts, 26 sacks, 32 hits, 139 rushes, 197 hits/571 plays, 34.5% hit rate 

2022 - 460 attempts, 38 sacks, 22 hits, 165 rushes, 205 hits/625 plays, 33% hit rate

 

Brady (for fun):

2021 - 719 attempts, 22 sacks, 31 hits, 28 rushes, 81/747 plays, 11% hit rate (lol)

2022 - 733 attempts, 22 sacks, 55 hits, 29 rushes, 106 hits/762 plays, 14% hit rate

Mahomes:

2021 - 658 attempts, 28 sacks, 58 hits, 66 rushes, 152 hits/724 plays, 21% hit rate

2022 - 648 attempts, 26 sacks, 56 hits, 61 rushes, 143 hits/709 plays, 20% hit rate

Murray:

2021 - 481 attempts, 31 sacks, 13 hits, 88 rushes, 132 hits/569 plays, 23% hit rate 

2022 - 390 attempts, 25 sacks, 15 hits, 67 rushes, 107 hits/457 plays, 23% hit rate

 

Summary:

I didn’t know what the numbers would say going into this exercise. Murray surprised the most, his avoidance of "hits” is pretty remarkable. 
 

Interesting that Allen and Burrow aren’t so far apart. I think anything north of 25% is too much for my liking honestly, and would like to see Hurts get that number lower than at least 30% next year. Otherwise, he’s going to be on the same path as Lamar, which isn’t a good one.

Obviously this doesn’t account for kneel downs or getting OOB, but the variable is the same for all QBs.

And of course, Brady’s numbers are ridiculous.

Winner of the discussion goes to ^ look at those percentages 

 

Hurts made 2nd team All-pro even though he missed time, speaks to how outstanding a season he was having.

Huge props to Hurts, he went from a below average QB at best, to an All-Pro NFL QB. Way to F’in go!

9 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Hurts made 2nd team All-pro even though he missed time, speaks to how outstanding a season he was having.

Huge props to Hurts, he went from a below average QB at best, to an All-Pro NFL QB. Way to F’in go!

I'm obviously biased, but missed time or not, I'd put him first team and since I have the power to do that, I'm also putting Randall in the Hall of Fame while I'm at it! Eric Allen too... 

13 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Hurts made 2nd team All-pro even though he missed time, speaks to how outstanding a season he was having.

Huge props to Hurts, he went from a below average QB at best, to an All-Pro NFL QB. Way to F’in go!

Definitely night and day improvement. Definitely a huge step in the right direction 

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Definitely night and day improvement. Definitely a huge step in the right direction 

So you are saying you hate Hurts

8 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

So you are saying you hate Hurts

You caught me. Loathe the kid with a passion 

12 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

You caught me. Loathe the kid with a passion 

Need to update that signature

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Need to update that signature

I forget that thing exist lol 

Quote

2022 AP All-Pro second team features Jalen Hurts over Josh Allen

Posted by Mike Florio on January 13, 2023, 12:52 PM EST

 

reviously, Associated Press All-Pro voters had one vote per position. If that were the case in 2022, there would have been 49 votes for Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes, one for Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts, and none for anyone else.

By expanding the voting, more players got votes. Hurts ended up with 22 points under the revised voting system; Bills quarterback Josh Allen and Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow received 15 each.

 

 

 

It’s surprising that Hurts finished second, given that he missed multiple late-season games.

Here’s the full Associated Press All-Pro second team.

OFFENSE

Quarterback: Jalen Hurts, Philadelphia.

Running Back: Nick Chubb, Cleveland.

Tight End: George Kittle, San Francisco.

Wide Receivers: AJ Brown, Philadelphia; Stefon Diggs, Buffalo; CeeDee Lamb, Dallas.

Left Tackle: Andrew Thomas, New York Giants.

Right Tackle: Tristan Wirfs, Tampa Bay.

Left Guard: Joe Thuney, Kansas City.

Right Guard: Chris Lindstrom, Atlanta.

Center: Creed Humphrey, Kansas City.

DEFENSE

Edge Rushers: Myles Garrett, Cleveland; Haason Reddick, Philadelphia.

Interior Linemen: Dexter Lawrence, New York Giants; Jeffrey Simmons, Tennessee.

Linebackers: Bobby Wagner, Los Angeles Rams; CJ Mosley, New York Jets; Demario Davis, New Orleans.

Cornerbacks: Jaire Alexander, Green Bay; James Bradberry, Philadelphia.

Safeties: Derwin James, Los Angeles Chargers; Justin Simmons, Denver.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Placekicker: Justin Tucker, Baltimore.

Punter: Ryan Stonehouse, Tennessee.

Kick Returner: Kene Nwangwu, Minnesota.

Punt Returner: Kalif Raymond, Detroit.

Special Teamer: George Odum, San Francisco.

Long Snapper: Nick Moore, Baltimore.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/13/2022-ap-all-pro-second-team-features-jalen-hurts-over-josh-allen/

51 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Need to update that signature

Updated it and had some excitement for his development, but some serious how'd that happen as well.  16th in attempts and behind Dak in tds thrown. I really think if he could lower the running attempts, he could climb the thrown TD by a bit. Despite everyone's belief, I would like to see him succeed. Just wish there was a way to discuss concerns on here without it feeling like I am attacking the church of hurts