12 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

Some people will balk at this, but I see a 7 year extension for Hurts at around 320 million with around 200 guaranteed. Outs after 3 and 5 years (so in reality after 4 and 6 years). Means we can look again at his age 28 and 30 seasons and spread the cap. In particular will mean we can keep the hit low over the next couple of years.

So effectively a 3 year $200M contract? 

40 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And what sort of cap hit next year bud?

 

40 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What is the signing bonus in this scenario ??

 

26 minutes ago, Thrive said:

So effectively a 3 year $200M contract? 

I need to do some work on it and sort out bonuses, roster bonuses, dummy years etc, which I will do in the off-season.

But I’m thinking around a 45 million signing bonus. Won’t that still impact next year’s cap even though the salary is unchanged?

 I’m thinking after 3 years of the contract we would still take a fair cap hit if we cut or trade him, but it wouldn’t be unmanageable.

4 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

 

I need to do some work on it and sort out bonuses, roster bonuses, dummy years etc, which I will do in the off-season.

But I’m thinking around a 45 million signing bonus. Won’t that still impact next year’s cap even though the salary is unchanged?

 I’m thinking after 3 years of the contract we would still take a fair cap hit if we cut or trade him, but it wouldn’t be unmanageable.

Yes, the signing bonus applies immediately.

@UK_EaglesFan89 I did forget the signing bonus applies immediately.

48 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Next year, if you mean 2023 will be unchanged.  The first year of his new deal will be 2024.

Will it? Whys that? Surely if we sign him to a deal this offseason that comes in to immediate effect?

9 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Will it? Whys that? Surely if we sign him to a deal this offseason that comes in to immediate effect?

Not through an extension. He is still under contract next year

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

Not through an extension. He is still under contract next year

Correct

10 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Will it? Whys that? Surely if we sign him to a deal this offseason that comes in to immediate effect?

The only thing that applies immediately is the pro rated signing bonus as it is paid immediately.

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yes, the signing bonus applies immediately.

@UK_EaglesFan89 I did forget the signing bonus applies immediately.

 

14 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Will it? Whys that? Surely if we sign him to a deal this offseason that comes in to immediate effect?

It’s as Mike says. Under my scenario he would count about 8 million against the cap next year. Not sure if Howie would want that lower still.

14 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

The Eagles will not have as much flexibility with Hurts compared to their Wentz negotiation window, with their current starter’s contract not including the fifth-year option. After a 2022 offseason that included links to high-profile passers, the Eagles are prepared to move forward with Hurts, Sam Robinson of Pro Football Rumorsreports. They are planning to meet with Hurts’ agent about an extension this offseason, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network notes.

After struggling down the stretch last season and undergoing ankle surgery last winter, Hurts entered the 2022 offseason with a somewhat uncertain future. The Eagles looked into Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson; the team’s Watson research dates back to the 2021 season. Watson ended up not waiving his no-trade clause for the Eagles. Ownership advised the Eagles against bringing in Hurts competition that year, and the former Alabama and Oklahoma dual threat showed promise. After the Eagles built a roster comparable to 2017’s this past offseason, they are 16-1 in Hurts starts and one win away from their second Super Bowl title. The dramatic leap Hurts has taken puts him in commanding position for an extension.

 

Seeming like they surfaced years ago, the franchise’s connections to other QBs and doubts about Hurts are in the past. There is no longer any doubt about Hurts’ future in Philadelphia, Rapoport adds, and the team’s increased faith in the former second-round pick will lead to big numbers being thrown around soon.
 

https://www.theredzone.org/Blog-Description/EntryId/27700/Eagles--Jalen-Hurts-to-discuss-extension

Certainly contract negotiations can break down (just ask Lamar Jackson) but this feels like a mutual decision and when the owner is involved he usually gets what he wants. Also sounds like to me the Eagles did research on Watson, but likely weren’t really interested, but Howie was very much interested in Wilson. Lurie stepped in and said no to any other option.

That loss against Washington may have been best thing for this team since they fixed that issue. These guys discussed it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wkZlcFA6UT8

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

I don't think anyone said that.  They said a running QB has never won a Super Bowl, which is correct.

I'm not sure how each person worded it, but it was only said because of the implication that it doesn't work. Why else would it be brought up?

Regardless, when I was growing up, they said the same thing and made the same implications about black QBs --- until it happened ... and even after Doug Williams, it didn't change many people's minds. But there have been a lot more black QBs in the NFL since then and several have won Super Bowls now. 

In the modern NFL, there hasn't been a lot of QBs like Hurts and Jackson that do more than just scramble now and then. If the Eagles pull off the win this year with Hurts, not only would that crush the narrative, but I bet L. Jackson will all of a sudden get that contract worked out. 

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

I'm not sure how each person worded it, but it was only said because of the implication that it doesn't work. Why else would it be brought up?

Regardless, when I was growing up, they said the same thing and made the same implications about black QBs --- until it happened ... and even after Doug Williams, it didn't change many people's minds. But there have been a lot more black QBs in the NFL since then and several have won Super Bowls now. 

In the modern NFL, there hasn't been a lot of QBs like Hurts and Jackson that do more than just scramble now and then. If the Eagles pull off the win this year with Hurts, not only would that crush the narrative, but I bet L. Jackson will all of a sudden get that contract worked out. 

Except, the Eagles have had that style of QB since Randall Cunningham, and they ain't won it yet.

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Except, the Eagles have had that style of QB since Randall Cunningham, and they ain't won it yet.

I don't recall Cunningham or McNabb ever running a single read option play. 

9 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I don't recall Cunningham or McNabb ever running a single read option play. 

 

9 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I don't recall Cunningham or McNabb ever running a single read option play. 

I don’t think Randall ever needed that. He just needed an offensive line, an OC, and some more weapons to help out on offense. McNabb could’ve used a TO like receiver much earlier than he got one.

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

 

I don’t think Randall ever needed that. He just needed an offensive line, an OC, and some more weapons to help out on offense. McNabb could’ve used a TO like receiver much earlier than he got one.

The Buddy Ryan era preceded modern free agency and Ryan did slowly improve that line each season. He also drafted plenty of weapons for Randall (Byars, Toney, K. Jackson, Cris Carter, F. Barnett). People often lazily claim Ryan didn't care about the offense, but he actually used a lot of picks on offensive players, including the 1st rd. pick he traded for Ron Solt. Some things just didn't work out the way we hoped.

It's too bad Mitchell, Pinkston, and LJ Smith never amounted to much and that TO was mental. McNabb did have some great pass catching RBs, though (as did Cunningham). 

36 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I'm not sure how each person worded it, but it was only said because of the implication that it doesn't work. Why else would it be brought up?

Regardless, when I was growing up, they said the same thing and made the same implications about black QBs --- until it happened ... and even after Doug Williams, it didn't change many people's minds. But there have been a lot more black QBs in the NFL since then and several have won Super Bowls now. 

In the modern NFL, there hasn't been a lot of QBs like Hurts and Jackson that do more than just scramble now and then. If the Eagles pull off the win this year with Hurts, not only would that crush the narrative, but I bet L. Jackson will all of a sudden get that contract worked out. 

I think you’d have to be desperate to give Lamar any kind of large, guaranteed money. He’s already peaked, and likely will miss games every year unless he drastically reduced the amount of hits he takes.

29 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think you’d have to be desperate to give Lamar any kind of large, guaranteed money. He’s already peaked, and likely will miss games every year unless he drastically reduced the amount of hits he takes.

It's not my job to worry about that.

 

It's my own personal belief that QBs rarely "peak" before their 6th or 7th season. Experience is so valuable and there's always more you can learn if you dedicate yourself to becoming better. 

You already know my opinion on QB injuries. Foles has never had a healthy season and running isn't part of his game. Garoppolo is a walking injury list. We just saw our team knock out two QBs in the pocket in less than a quarter with nearly identical hits. Playing football is dangerous. Injuries are likely for everybody. The fact that QBs make probably too much money is irrelevant. 

8 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Random guess from what Howie would do is 5y, 225$m(45per), easy outs after years 1, 2, and 3

There is zero chance that JH signs for less than K. Murray.  Zero chance!

58 minutes ago, Deacon4Life said:

There is zero chance that JH signs for less than K. Murray.  Zero chance!

It’s absolutely possible. He’s not a 1st round pick, he only has 1 year of pro bowl caliber play, and most importantly Philadelphia is not necessarily invested into him the way ARI was with Kyler. They had to do that deal right then or it’d set their franchise back years if he tried to squirm out of there.
 

Matt Stafford’s deal last year would be more apt a comparison, something that says, "We recognize your value to the team, thank you for winning us a ring, but we don’t HAVE to do this right now.” Stafford signed for 40m$ AAV, which was lower than what Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, et al signed before him.

 

If Philadelphia signs Hurts this summer, it’ll be because they came to an agreement that is in Philly’s favor. Resetting the QB market is not. Conversely, waiting to be a FA and get franchises a bunch of times in a row will cost Jalen far more money than signing for 45m$ per now, which he probably wouldn’t get from another team anyway.

7 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

It’s absolutely possible. He’s not a 1st round pick, he only has 1 year of pro bowl caliber play, and most importantly Philadelphia is not necessarily invested into him the way ARI was with Kyler. They had to do that deal right then or it’d set their franchise back years if he tried to squirm out of there.
 

Matt Stafford’s deal last year would be more apt a comparison, something that says, "We recognize your value to the team, thank you for winning us a ring, but we don’t HAVE to do this right now.” Stafford signed for 40m$ AAV, which was lower than what Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, et al signed before him.

 

If Philadelphia signs Hurts this summer, it’ll be because they came to an agreement that is in Philly’s favor. Resetting the QB market is not. Conversely, waiting to be a FA and get franchises a bunch of times in a row will cost Jalen far more money than signing for 45m$ per now, which he probably wouldn’t get from another team anyway.

No.

People need to understand that Hurts is a 24 year old second team all pro, pro bowl starter and MVP finalist. He has gone 16-1 as a starter and we are 0-2 without him. 

Teams are desperate for a young franchise QB. And you think the Eagles won’t be invested in him because he wasn’t a first round pick?

Hurts is entering into the final year of his contract and the Eagles really don’t have the cap space to franchise him. 

Stafford is a bad example. He’s 34. He didn’t get as much money, but his cap hits are higher earlier than what we would want because the Rams were concerned about his age.

If we could get Hurts for less than Murray then great, but the reality is that contract will be the minimum contract and he’s probably going to get more.

Extending Hurts is going to be a priority for the Eagles this year.
 

There is zero shot imo that Hurts signs for less than 40 mil and I highly doubt he plays a full 2023 season without the Eagles signing him to a new deal. Like it was said above, the dude went 16-1 as a starter this year and we made it to a SB with him at the ripe old age of 24 with an entire Offense revolving around his strengths. You have to lock that guy in ... he still has 2-3 seasons left imo before even reaching his prime. Hurts is a tireless worker; I can see his passing skills continuing to improve well into his 20's which will see him pick and choose his running opportunities more wisely. I get that paying your QB limits your ability to sign other positions around him, but it's a necessary evil ... plus Hurts is the heartbeat of this team in more ways than just his QBing ... this team plays with a different confidence level when he's on the field. That leadership and presence is something you don't want to lose.

14 hours ago, downundermike said:

I don't think anyone said that.  They said a running QB has never won a Super Bowl, which is correct.

I'm pretty sure a few on here said it.

Something something you need a pocket passer to be successful.

15 hours ago, downundermike said:

I don't think anyone said that.  They said a running QB has never won a Super Bowl, which is correct.

 

24 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

 

Would you not agree that Jalen has learned to throw from the pocket and has developed as a thrower?  

Edit: that opinion was also November 2021 where he was not known for his throwing ability at all 

14 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Would you not agree that Jalen has learned to throw from the pocket and has developed as a thrower? 

Yes I agree with that. He has developed that part of his game faster than I think I’ve ever seen. He also rushed for 760 yards and 13 TDs in the regular season. He had 165 attempts this year to 139 last year. More kneel downs but he still ran just as much.

My post was more just messing with DUM as a joke over the context of the conversation.

 

21 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Yes I agree with that. He has developed that part of his game faster than I think I’ve ever seen. He also rushed for 760 yards and 13 TDs in the regular season. He had 165 attempts this year to 139 last year. More kneel downs but he still ran just as much.

My post was more just messing with DUM as a joke over the context of the conversation.

Gotcha lol I think most of us agree he ran his ass off this year while taking a big step in the right direction with his arm. The argument surrounding him now is when does he run less and get more in the air. If he wins the the Superbowl, I'm pretty sure it will be the lowest throwing tds for a starter since Brad Johnson. Not exactly the QB I want to be tied with.  Jalen did what needed to be done this season. Hoping next season he takes another step. Looks like he will keep all his coaches which will be nice