5 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

It took from 1967 until 2018 to hit $35 million, and in the five  years since it's approaching $55 million. That's 57% growth in just five years. New TV deals are helping the cap rise to keep up with that, but at some point soon that level of growth will be unsustainable. Teams are going to be screwed that pay 70 million.

I think Mahomes contract is a percentage tied to the cap. I would think we see more contracts like that, wouldn’t surprise me if Hurts took a similarly constructed contract

9 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Why none of this is worth worrying about. The numbers will continue to climb and the Eagles always find a way to handle the cap. How many years going is that cap hell thread been going yet the Eagles still keep it going? Remember when the Eagles gave Vick a 100mil contract (and at the time seemed like major money) and did that cripple them for decades? Nope, because as soon as he was gone Foles was back, Wentz was here, and they won the Super Bowl. Wentz was made one of the highest paid young quarterbacks in football and did that destroy them like some of the EMB prognostications assumed? Nope considering they went to the Bowl two years after they dumped him (edit: two years after he cried his way out of town, because he couldn’t handle competition.) There’s always a plan. 

Its a good point. 

Pretty sure that 2 years ago there was a 2022 cap hell thread - well we're not in hell and we just made a superbowl. 

Sometimes people worry for no reason.

He's going to be the highest paid QB. Some of you will need to just accept that. It won't last long though once the others get theirs (Herbert, Burrow, etc.)

What QB has taken less to "help the team out"?

Just now, Mike030270 said:

He's going to be the highest paid QB. Some of you will need to just accept that. It won't last long though once the others get theirs (Herbert, Burrow, etc.)

What QB has taken less to "help the team out"?

Brady and Mahomes

30 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Brady and Mahomes

Wrong

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patrick-mahomes-not-concerned-about-other-qb-contracts-i-knew-i-was-going-to-be-set-for-life/amp/

From getting benched in the NC to possibly being the highest paid player in NFL history.

Football really is something…

32 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patrick-mahomes-not-concerned-about-other-qb-contracts-i-knew-i-was-going-to-be-set-for-life/amp/

Wrong

It's always amusing hearing people talk about wanting to get paid to take care of their family when they're already making more in 1 year than a majority of people make in their entire lives.

Brady absolutely took less. Anyone who tries to put Mahomes in there with him is misinformed or pushing some agenda.

Mahomes took 10 years at 50 per and set the bar. He was OK knowing the bar would go higher over time but he absolutely took top dollar at the time of signing.

If Mahomes was actually like Brady he would have taken 40-45 for 10 instead of 50 for 10.

4 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Brady absolutely took less. Anyone who tries to put Mahomes in there with him is misinformed or pushing some agenda.

Mahomes took 10 years at 50 per and set the bar. He was OK knowing the bar would go higher over time but he absolutely took top dollar at the time of signing.

If Mahomes was actually like Brady he would have taken 40-45 for 10 instead of 50 for 10.

There were numerous reports Brady took less because they paid him more through his foundation

Mahomes did not take less

16 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

There were numerous reports Brady took less because they paid him more through his foundation

Mahomes did not take less

The Eagles can just do the same thing, then. Pay him the vet minimum and order 2,250,000 of these each year:

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

The Eagles can just do the same thing, then. Pay him the vet minimum and order 2,250,000 of these each year:

I doubt we'd get away with it unlike Pats lol

41 minutes ago, bitbased said:

It's always amusing hearing people talk about wanting to get paid to take care of their family when they're already making more in 1 year than a majority of people make in their entire lives.

F that. Get as much as you can lol. 

Giving him more than a 6 year deal would be stupid as hell with his size and playing style. He's 24, but Wilson broke down fast as hell and didn't take the continual shots that Hurts is taking at his age.

15 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Giving him more than a 6 year deal would be stupid as hell with his size and playing style. He's 24, but Wilson broke down fast as hell and didn't take the continual shots that Hurts is taking at his age.

Not necessarily, you can give him a 6 year with outs.

Gives you the security to cut bait if things go bad, and yet the cap flexibility and certainty if things go well.

14 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Giving him more than a 6 year deal would be stupid as hell with his size and playing style. He's 24, but Wilson broke down fast as hell and didn't take the continual shots that Hurts is taking at his age.

Not a great example. The running joke was Wilson didn't have an Oline for years. Hurts has arguably the best Oline in the league

11 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

No, nothing like that or even close.

The thread started with you writing this "I won't fault him for wanting $50-$53 million a year, but that will tell me how badly he wants to win"

This is you season-long critique of his character in just a different context. What I wrote might be closer than you think but that's your mirror to look into. It is your latest bit of "evidence" that he doesn't or might not have the kind of character you want in a QB. Where does that come from? At every opportunity, Hurts shows very high, team-oriented character. In terms of his contract, an agent will be involved as well and that's like bringing lawyers into a divorce in terms of self-serving advice. If he sets the market then so be it. It doesn't speak to his character and if you use Brady and the New England Cheatreates as a benchmark of team-oriented character, you might want to do a bit of digging about how Brady was compensated outside of his contract. Funding his foundation is a workaround. People who make that kind of money set up foundations, they fund them from their income and if it doesn't come out of his after-tax dollars but rather a donation, Brady can do the math of how it benefits him as a QB and also overall compensation and life goals wise.

Also Mahomes' contract only had less than $70M guaranteed. KC can choose to get out of that deal later if they want. 

16 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Also Mahomes' contract only had less than $70M guaranteed. KC can choose to get out of that deal later if they want. 

Isn't it set up as when they pay him in March, it guarantees all his money the following year? I know it had a weird mechanic to it 

5 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Isn't it set up as when they pay him in March, it guarantees all his money the following year? I know it had a weird mechanic to it 

Not sure exactly how it's worded, but that's not different than typical roster bonuses. 

24 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Not sure exactly how it's worded, but that's not different than typical roster bonuses. 

But it's his entire salary for the year I believe. It was odd when it was explained 

59 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

The thread started with you writing this "I won't fault him for wanting $50-$53 million a year, but that will tell me how badly he wants to win"

This is you season-long critique of his character in just a different context. What I wrote might be closer than you think but that's your mirror to look into. It is your latest bit of "evidence" that he doesn't or might not have the kind of character you want in a QB. Where does that come from? At every opportunity, Hurts shows very high, team-oriented character. In terms of his contract, an agent will be involved as well and that's like bringing lawyers into a divorce in terms of self-serving advice. If he sets the market then so be it. It doesn't speak to his character and if you use Brady and the New England Cheatreates as a benchmark of team-oriented character, you might want to do a bit of digging about how Brady was compensated outside of his contract. Funding his foundation is a workaround. People who make that kind of money set up foundations, they fund them from their income and if it doesn't come out of his after-tax dollars but rather a donation, Brady can do the math of how it benefits him as a QB and also overall compensation and life goals wise.

Comparing it to a normal job isn't a good analogy, so yeah nothing like that.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Not a great example. The running joke was Wilson didn't have an Oline for years. Hurts has arguably the best Oline in the league

And how long do you think Land and Kelce will be playing? He's played 3 years and the shots he takes running is going to pile up. Cam was much larger and he went to crap. I hope he plays until he is in his 40s, but even McNabb hit a wall and broke down around 30. Hell, Wentz wasn't the same after a few hits. He played smarter after the injury and I hope he continues that, but an 8-10 year deal would be a mistake IMO.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Comparing it to a normal job isn't a good analogy, so yeah nothing like that.

Why not? It is a job. Because it pays more doesn't make it not a job. And, why should people who make a lot of money be held to some other standard. Maybe he wants to direct  hundreds of millions of dollars to build charter schools across the country and it requires that kind of money. We don't know any of that and he created the situation by which he can be so highly compensated. The analogy is about human behavior and choices, not wage levels. People who make a lesser wage still go out and drink, eat, go to sporting events, etc. -- they make discretionary choices with their income that is not in the service to others or improving the place where they work. The only difference is the magnitude of the compensation and that is determined by the market. Judging how people behave, if they are committed to winning as you wrote, based on whether he takes a below market amount is no different that judging working people who drink beer as being bad parents because the money they spend on beer is a detriment to their kids college fund. No insult intended but I think your analysis has a bias against million dollar wage earners or perhaps Hurts. The analogy holds if you understand it.