December 16, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I mean, if you guys want to refuse to believe that we're a nation in socioeconomic decline, well, go ahead and keep living that delusion if that's what helps you sleep at night. USA #1 bestest country ever! We have the best economy! We can do no better and should never try to imagine a better way! Love it or leave it! 'MURICA! There, do we all feel warm and fuzzy now? No one said the bolded straw man.
December 16, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: 13 hours ago, NOTW said: About 5% of people work 2 jobs.
December 16, 20205 yr Anheuser-Bush's evil greedy death cult plans unveiled: stop making beer and give free water to Flint, MI and Hurricane victims.
December 16, 20205 yr 23 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Um, yeah, guys I never said "working hard" was a bad thing. The point is that Americans tend to work harder for less, working more than their counterparts to eek out basic subsistence while others put in less time but have better standards of living. It isn't about fairness; it's about getting a reasonable return for how much time and energy you devote to professional pursuits, but if you want to twist things, I guess this is the place.
December 16, 20205 yr Death Cults up to no good again: repurposing their factories to make facemasks and other protective gear.
December 16, 20205 yr Man, you're really running with that phrase, huh? I mean, the expression was about how our culture, or society in general, romanticizes working yourself to death (it was not about employers per se), but if you want to apply it to employers and cherry pick some examples of businesses doing good deeds in order to completely misrepresent a point that I made about how the wider populace talks about professional life, go ahead.
December 16, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Man, you're really running with that phrase, huh? I mean, the expression was about how our culture, or society in general, romanticizes working yourself to death (it was not about employers per se), but if you want to apply it to employers and cherry pick some examples of businesses doing good deeds in order to completely misrepresent a point that I made about how the wider populace talks about professional life, go ahead. They're jokes man (and posting pics in the pics thread). Meanwhile you've posted nonsense and drivel and keep moving the goal posts, changing the argument or throwing out childish straw men like this. 34 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I mean, if you guys want to refuse to believe that we're a nation in socioeconomic decline, well, go ahead and keep living that delusion if that's what helps you sleep at night. USA #1 bestest country ever! We have the best economy! We can do no better and should never try to imagine a better way! Love it or leave it! 'MURICA! There, do we all feel warm and fuzzy now?
December 16, 20205 yr To be fair, he said "our professional culture is a death cult." He didn't say all corporations are evil. There's a huge difference between the two. Saying that the American mindset glorifies working yourself to death isn't wrong. Not sure why everyone's so offended by that sentiment.
December 16, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: To be fair, he said "our professional culture is a death cult." He didn't say all corporations are evil. There's a huge difference between the two. Saying that the American mindset glorifies working yourself to death isn't wrong. Not sure why everyone's so offended by that sentiment. Because it perfectly encapsulates the entire reason for our country’s decline. Hard work and success used to be things people aspired to - now they are derided as a "sickness.”
December 16, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Because it perfectly encapsulates the entire reason for our country’s decline. Hard work and success used to be things people aspired to - now they are derided as a "sickness.” By and large, people have always been as lazy as they can possibly be. And people have always complained about their job. Everyone just has a microphone now.
December 16, 20205 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: By and large, people have always been as lazy as they can possibly be. And people have always complained about their job. Everyone just has a microphone now. It is significantly worse with this generation. I see it all the time, even among high ambition types. The analyst classes in investment banking are terrible now - constant whining about hours, job satisfaction and work/life balance. Then why the hell did you go into investment banking?
December 16, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: It is significantly worse with this generation. I see it all the time, even among high ambition types. The analyst classes in investment banking are terrible now - constant whining about hours, job satisfaction and work/life balance. Then why the hell did you go into investment banking? I don't see it, but I'm in a different sort of field. People in creative fields tend to work their azzes off because they're doing what they're passionate about.
December 16, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: To be fair, he said "our professional culture is a death cult." He didn't say all corporations are evil. There's a huge difference between the two. Saying that the American mindset glorifies working yourself to death isn't wrong. Not sure why everyone's so offended by that sentiment. And we talked about that, and his own chart showed many industrialized in "the rest of the world" work more hours than the US. So yeah, we moved on. I poked fun at the "death cult" phrase to get us back on pics.
December 16, 20205 yr I work with some of the younger millennials as well as a plenty of older gen X'ers and even boomers, and I don't know that I see much of a correlation between age and work ethic. There are plenty of old farts who don't work an hour after 40 or sit around all day yapping about god knows what, and then there are younger kids who are always staying late to ask questions, offering to help when they have spare time, trying to sponge up as much knowledge as they can, etc. In all honesty, as long as it doesn't reflect on me or affect my job directly, I don't care if someone wants to work less and doesn't put in as much effort to meet their deliverables. They make the rest of us look good by comparison.
December 16, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: It is significantly worse with this generation. I see it all the time, even among high ambition types. The analyst classes in investment banking are terrible now - constant whining about hours, job satisfaction and work/life balance. Then why the hell did you go into investment banking? I obviously have a different outlook and lifestyle than you, but this I agree with 100 percent. If you choose a certain career, you lose the right to complain over what that career may demand of you. Oh and:
December 16, 20205 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: I don't see it, but I'm in a different sort of field. People in creative fields tend to work their azzes off because they're doing what they're passionate about. Remember the girl who worked at Yelp who posted an "open letter" to her CEO on Twitter? She was getting free breakfast and lunch, coffee, smoothies, snacks, etc. Her complaint was that they wouldn't let her take bags of food home to have for dinners and weekends. Of course not all younger workers are that entitled, but it went viral and put a face to that type of entitled worker. My friend at Amazon talks about all the free things they give their workers, even part-time and temp staff. Free t-shirts and other swag, free snacks and drinks, they get food catered for them all the time. They did a Thanksgiving dinner with a huge buffet. he says a lot of the employees complain anyway, they get picky about the candy bar choices and stuff like that. There are real complaints to be made about working conditions and all that, but you're also not forced to work anywhere you can leave and go to another job. Like I said before, we can delve into specifics and real issues, but to broadly suggest that "Americans" are working 3 jobs, are depressed and hate life vs other countries that are so happy and wonderful is just silly.
December 16, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, NOTW said: Remember the girl who worked at Yelp who posted an "open letter" to her CEO on Twitter? She was getting free breakfast and lunch, coffee, smoothies, snacks, etc. Her complaint was that they wouldn't let her take bags of food home to have for dinners and weekends. Of course not all younger workers are that entitled, but it went viral and put a face to that type of entitled worker. My friend at Amazon talks about all the free things they give their workers, even part-time and temp staff. Free t-shirts and other swag, free snacks and drinks, they get food catered for them all the time. They did a Thanksgiving dinner with a huge buffet. he says a lot of the employees complain anyway, they get picky about the candy bar choices and stuff like that. There are real complaints to be made about working conditions and all that, but you're also not forced to work anywhere you can leave and go to another job. Like I said before, we can delve into specifics and real issues, but to broadly suggest that "Americans" are working 3 jobs, are depressed and hate life vs other countries that are so happy and wonderful is just silly. My company does really nice things like that. Even with Covid they will send us all door dash gift cards to order ourselves lunch and things like that. They will also send us amazon gift cards to say thanks for our work. We were talking about the importance of exercise in the other thread. The thing they sent out yesterday I think is brilliant. You can sign up to get a free apple watch up front, but there's payments. If you hit your exercise goal for the month, they make the payment for you. If you don't you pay. Very cool idea. Since I am enjoying getting out and exercising everyday I think I should have no problem hitting my goals.
December 16, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, NOTW said: Remember the girl who worked at Yelp who posted an "open letter" to her CEO on Twitter? She was getting free breakfast and lunch, coffee, smoothies, snacks, etc. Her complaint was that they wouldn't let her take bags of food home to have for dinners and weekends. Of course not all younger workers are that entitled, but it went viral and put a face to that type of entitled worker. My friend at Amazon talks about all the free things they give their workers, even part-time and temp staff. Free t-shirts and other swag, free snacks and drinks, they get food catered for them all the time. They did a Thanksgiving dinner with a huge buffet. he says a lot of the employees complain anyway, they get picky about the candy bar choices and stuff like that. There are real complaints to be made about working conditions and all that, but you're also not forced to work anywhere you can leave and go to another job. Like I said before, we can delve into specifics and real issues, but to broadly suggest that "Americans" are working 3 jobs, are depressed and hate life vs other countries that are so happy and wonderful is just silly. I work for a large consumer products company in a chemical plant and we get all kinds of swag. I could probably never buy clothes if I didn't mind only wearing things with the company logo on it. Tons of product too, I have not bought laundry detergent, deodorant, toothpaste and that kind of stuff in 20 years. Also little things like masks and stuff, they give us as much as we need for us and the family. And 2 bonus checks during covid as well. Not bad.
December 16, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, Gannan said: My company does really nice things like that. Even with Covid they will send us all door dash gift cards to order ourselves lunch and things like that. They will also send us amazon gift cards to say thanks for our work. We were talking about the importance of exercise in the other thread. The thing they sent out yesterday I think is brilliant. You can sign up to get a free apple watch up front, but there's payments. If you hit your exercise goal for the month, they make the payment for you. If you don't you pay. Very cool idea. Since I am enjoying getting out and exercising everyday I think I should have no problem hitting my goals. We have something similar. And I can neither confirm nor deny having hacked together a way to trick the accelerometer into counting steps I wasn't actually taking.
December 16, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: We have something similar. And I can neither confirm nor deny having hacked together a way to trick the accelerometer into counting steps I wasn't actually taking. I wonder if people do the thing in the commercial and put it on their dog
December 16, 20205 yr Just now, Gannan said: I wonder if people do the thing in the commercial and put it on their dog That would probably work too. They're easier to spoof than people think.
December 16, 20205 yr 21 minutes ago, NOTW said: Remember the girl who worked at Yelp who posted an "open letter" to her CEO on Twitter? She was getting free breakfast and lunch, coffee, smoothies, snacks, etc. Her complaint was that they wouldn't let her take bags of food home to have for dinners and weekends. Of course not all younger workers are that entitled, but it went viral and put a face to that type of entitled worker. My friend at Amazon talks about all the free things they give their workers, even part-time and temp staff. Free t-shirts and other swag, free snacks and drinks, they get food catered for them all the time. They did a Thanksgiving dinner with a huge buffet. he says a lot of the employees complain anyway, they get picky about the candy bar choices and stuff like that. There are real complaints to be made about working conditions and all that, but you're also not forced to work anywhere you can leave and go to another job. Like I said before, we can delve into specifics and real issues, but to broadly suggest that "Americans" are working 3 jobs, are depressed and hate life vs other countries that are so happy and wonderful is just silly. I didn't say any of that. I just agree with him that our culture prioritizes working yourself to the bone to achieve a certain level of success that most people won't ever achieve. You can come at it from a philosophical position that working like a dog to accumulate stuff is a pretty hollow existence in the spiritual sense, or you can come at it from a more practical position that you've got it better than people in the past so you can't complain. For me personally, I'm fine with working all the time and work far more than I need to to achieve financial stability because I love what I do. But most people don't.
December 16, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said: This sums it up perfectly Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times. It’s on an 80 year cycle... 1943 - WW2 1863 - Civil war 1783 - Revolutionary war
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