January 8, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, paco said: I prefer feel good war movies myself. "Pure libtard mindset propaganda " The novel was first published in November and December 1928 in the German newspaper Vossische Zeitung and in book form in late January 1929. The book and its sequel, The Road Back (1930), were among the books banned and burned in NSDAP Germany. All Quiet on the Western Front sold 2.5 million copies in 22 languages in its first 18 months in print.[1]
January 8, 20242 yr 57 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: "Pure libtard mindset propaganda " The novel was first published in November and December 1928 in the German newspaper Vossische Zeitung and in book form in late January 1929. The book and its sequel, The Road Back (1930), were among the books banned and burned in NSDAP Germany. All Quiet on the Western Front sold 2.5 million copies in 22 languages in its first 18 months in print.[1] The tweet is right: Storm of Steel is a better book and greater story. No doubt about that. It would definitely make for a better movie. And certainly Jünger is a better author and more captivating, influential person than Remarque. Overall, if you could only read one, or make one into a movie, it should be Storm of Steel.
January 8, 20242 yr 29 minutes ago, TEW said: The tweet is right: Storm of Steel is a better book and greater story. No doubt about that. It would definitely make for a better movie. And certainly Jünger is a better author and more captivating, influential person than Remarque. Overall, if you could only read one, or make one into a movie, it should be Storm of Steel. Cool. I found it interesting that a talking head from today called the story "Pure libtard mindset propaganda” in very much the same way fascists from NSDAP germany did in the 1930’s. You know… not that they’re the same or anything…
January 9, 20242 yr 7 hours ago, MidMoFo said: Cool. I found it interesting that a talking head from today called the story "Pure libtard mindset propaganda” in very much the same way fascists from NSDAP germany did in the 1930’s. You know… not that they’re the same or anything… Get over the constant Pavlovian need to compare everything to funny mustache time and take the tweet at face value. He’s right. Like, 100%, totally, absolutely right. The entire point is the horror of war, to wallow in pain and misery and suffering. Obviously that is a significant part of war, but it is far from the only aspect. Against, compare that to Storm of Steel, where the author himself is wounded severely no less than seven times including a near fatal gunshot to the chest. The tone of the book is much flatter and matter of fact, where as All Quiet purposely injects a miserable tone. A good juxtaposition would be Band of Brothers. That managed to portray the horror of war quite well — the episode of Easy Company in the Forrest of Bastogne getting pounded by artillery I think we could agree was gut wrenching. Watching characters we had grown fond of over half a dozen or so hours getting killed and mutilated showed the worst part of war quite convincingly. But the other aspects were portrayed as well: the heroic actions of Spiers running through the enemy lines at German occupied Foy and then returning to save the failing assault; Winter’s textbook leadership when taking out the German guns at Brecourt Manor; the joy of the soldiers when victory was achieved at each battle; and of course, as the title suggests, the camaraderie formed among men fighting together. And it is certainly a true observation that this focus on misery is a fundamentally leftist view. More over, it is a self-evidently demoralizing and defeatist position from a psychological perspective, which is what I think the post was getting at.
January 9, 20242 yr 9 minutes ago, TEW said: Get over the constant Pavlovian need to compare everything to funny mustache time and take the tweet at face value. He’s right. Like, 100%, totally, absolutely right. The entire point of the book is the horror of war, to wallow in pain and misery and suffering. Obviously that is a significant part of war, but it is far from the only aspect. A good juxtaposition would be Band of Brothers. That managed to portray the horror of war quite well — the episode of Easy Company in the Forrest of Bastogne getting pounded by artillery I think we could agree was gut wrenching. Watching characters we had grown fond of over half a dozen or so hours getting killed and mutilated showed the worst part of war quite convincingly. But the other aspects were portrayed as well: the heroic actions of Spiers running through the enemy lines at German occupied Foy and then returning to save the failing assault; Winter’s textbook leadership when taking out the German guns at Brecourt Manor; the joy of the soldiers when victory was achieved at each battle; and of course, as the title suggests, the camaraderie formed among men fighting together. And it is certainly a true observation that this focus on misery is a fundamentally leftist view. More over, it is a self-evidently demoralizing and defeatist position from a psychological perspective, which is what I think the post was getting at. Band of Brothers is incredible, it is one of my favorite series of all time. Do you think it’s ironic that NSDAP germany burned copies of "All quiet on the Western Front” in the 1930’s and now some Magat talking head calls it "Pure libtard mindset propaganda”? For the record… I have never read the book OR watched the movie.
January 9, 20242 yr Just now, MidMoFo said: Band of Brothers is incredible, it is one of my favorite series of all time. Do you think it’s ironic that NSDAP germany burned copies of "All quiet on the Western Front” in the 1930’s and now some Magat talking head calls it "Pure libtard mindset propaganda”? For the record… I have never read the book OR watched the movie. I don’t think it’s ironic at all. Your entire world view seems to revolve around NSDAP Germany. Everything past, present and future is viewed through that lens. I don’t share such a narrow, tinted view. Up until relatively recently in human history, just about every nation would ban such a book during war time. Again, it is a hugely demoralizing book. Intentionally so. The idea of allowing your entire population to be demoralized by a book was not something any nation would even contemplate until a few hundred years ago, and most wouldn’t allow it even today. In fact, if I wanted to conduct a psychological operation on an opposing population, I would simply drop such a book written by one of its own population from the sky for them to read. I can’t imagine better propaganda. The tweet is a legitimate critique with a lot of merit to it. It would be true even if the author turned out to be Joseph Goebbels himself. The unrelenting agony and despair is something a LOT of people would remark on, perhaps not in explicitly political terms, but certainly in the spirit of critiquing the film as "wallowing” in misery. Reading the book or watching the movie would give clarity to his statement, I think. It’s a purposefully miserable experience. That is its raison d’etre.
January 9, 20242 yr 4 minutes ago, TEW said: I don’t think it’s ironic at all. Your entire world view seems to revolve around NSDAP Germany. Everything past, present and future is viewed through that lens. I don’t share such a narrow, tinted view. Up until relatively recently in human history, just about every nation would ban such a book during war time. Again, it is a hugely demoralizing book. Intentionally so. The idea of allowing your entire population to be demoralized by a book was not something any nation would even contemplate until a few hundred years ago, and most wouldn’t allow it even today. In fact, if I wanted to conduct a psychological operation on an opposing population, I would simply drop such a book written by one of its own population from the sky for them to read. I can’t imagine better propaganda. The tweet is a legitimate critique with a lot of merit to it. It would be true even if the author turned out to be Joseph Goebbels himself. The unrelenting agony and despair is something a LOT of people would remark on, perhaps not in explicitly political terms, but certainly in the spirit of critiquing the film as "wallowing” in misery. Reading the book or watching the movie would give clarity to his statement, I think. It’s a purposefully miserable experience. That is its raison d’etre. Gotcha. So someone who wanted to send other people to war, to die, don’t want you to know the horrific truth about where they’re sending you beforehand. Better censor that crap amirite? Freedom lovers unite in burning truths!!!
January 9, 20242 yr "Eat sheet libtards!” TEW: "It’s a legitimate critique with a lot of merit to it. To fully understand his position, we have to look at the historical and societal motivations behind why someone might want a libtard to eat sheet. Chapter 1: The Nutritional Benefits of Sheet…”
January 9, 20242 yr 11 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: Gotcha. So someone who wanted to send other people to war, to die, don’t want you to know the horrific truth about where they’re sending you beforehand. Better censor that crap amirite? Freedom lovers unite in burning truths!!! Nothing is going to glorify war enough to help recruiting…the first crack of a bullet, or explosion of a mortar will humble even the cockiest. When i used to teach pre deployment training I always told all the kids (and adults)…’heroes never wanted to be heroes, they simply did their job’. I’ve yet to see the new AQOTWF, but i can only imagine how this era of film makers ruined it. That’s just me assuming. You want realism of war…like some said watch band of brothers..or better yet watch the Pacific (gut wrenching). You want to understand the modern generation that is going to have to save this country, watch Generation Kill.
January 9, 20242 yr 2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said: Nothing is going to glorify war enough to help recruiting…the first crack of a bullet, or explosion of a mortar will humble even the cockiest. When i used to teach pre deployment training I always told all the kids (and adults)…’heroes never wanted to be heroes, they simply did their job’. I’ve yet to see the new AQOTWF, but i can only imagine how this era of film makers ruined it. That’s just me assuming. You want realism of war…like some said watch band of brothers..or better yet watch the Pacific (gut wrenching). I have nothing but respect for the men and women who join the armed forces with the known fact they may have to put their life on the line for the person next to them. I have a real problem with anyone who thinks we should censor any information from people so they don’t know what they’re getting into or may make decisions to go to war easier due to ignorance of the truth. If we’re going to put our soldiers in harm’s way, it better be worth it.
January 9, 20242 yr 19 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: Gotcha. So someone who wanted to send other people to war, to die, don’t want you to know the horrific truth about where they’re sending you beforehand. Better censor that crap amirite? Freedom lovers unite in burning truths!!! Propaganda is a thing. if you are in a war, you don’t want a book scaring the sheet out of your prospective soldiers. I don’t see how this is a controversial take.
January 9, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, TEW said: Propaganda is a thing. if you are in a war, you don’t want a book scaring the sheet out of your prospective soldiers. I don’t see how this is a controversial take. If people know the truth and war is in fact the only option, it won’t be a problem. Why do you think the government should lie to the public or censor controversial books?
January 9, 20242 yr 12 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said: Nothing is going to glorify war enough to help recruiting…the first crack of a bullet, or explosion of a mortar will humble even the cockiest. When i used to teach pre deployment training I always told all the kids (and adults)…’heroes never wanted to be heroes, they simply did their job’. I’ve yet to see the new AQOTWF, but i can only imagine how this era of film makers ruined it. That’s just me assuming. You want realism of war…like some said watch band of brothers..or better yet watch the Pacific (gut wrenching). You want to understand the modern generation that is going to have to save this country, watch Generation Kill. Generation Kill was interesting. I didn’t read the book, but the miniseries I do think teased out the quirks of millennials. I disagree with you about recruiting though. Morale is pretty huge for recruiting. If you show a bunch of red blooded 16 year olds ads of guys with green faces jumping out of airplanes with bad arse gear, and the public narrative is positive about service and, yes, pushes the glory of victory over the depths of horror you can experience, I think it’s self evident that recruiting would improve.
January 9, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, MidMoFo said: If people know the truth and war is in fact the only option, it won’t be a problem. Why do you think the government should lie to the public or censor controversial books? I didn’t say I think they should. I said they have in the past and will continue to in the future. It isn’t unique to 1930’s Germany. It’s just a fact of war and propaganda.
January 9, 20242 yr 5 minutes ago, TEW said: Generation Kill was interesting. I didn’t read the book, but the miniseries I do think teased out the quirks of millennials. I disagree with you about recruiting though. Morale is pretty huge for recruiting. If you show a bunch of red blooded 16 year olds ads of guys with green faces jumping out of airplanes with bad arse gear, and the public narrative is positive about service and, yes, pushes the glory of victory over the depths of horror you can experience, I think it’s self evident that recruiting would improve. 4 minutes ago, TEW said: I didn’t say I think they should. I said they have in the past and will continue to in the future. It isn’t unique to 1930’s Germany. It’s just a fact of war and propaganda. Oh yeah. I agree. We could put out Top Gun and Red Dawn movies and fire our citizens up into all kinds of frenzy. We could censor libtard bs like All quiet on the Western Front and promote Band of Brothers all day. Then we’ll tell them there’s WMD’s in Iraq and they’ll run in there like a bunch of crazed dogs while we grab control of the oil. Yeah sure some of them will die, but some people will get rich. Sounds like freedom to me. How about we not censor anything. Like not anything at all.
January 9, 20242 yr Someone posts a meme TEW several posts later: we should ban certain books so our soldiers don’t get demoralized during wartime this place never ceases to amaze me
January 9, 20242 yr 7 hours ago, TEW said: Generation Kill was interesting. I didn’t read the book, but the miniseries I do think teased out the quirks of millennials. I disagree with you about recruiting though. Morale is pretty huge for recruiting. If you show a bunch of red blooded 16 year olds ads of guys with green faces jumping out of airplanes with bad arse gear, and the public narrative is positive about service and, yes, pushes the glory of victory over the depths of horror you can experience, I think it’s self evident that recruiting would improve. No…it’s not.
January 9, 20242 yr 8 hours ago, TEW said: Generation Kill was interesting. I didn’t read the book, but the miniseries I do think teased out the quirks of millennials. I disagree with you about recruiting though. Morale is pretty huge for recruiting. If you show a bunch of red blooded 16 year olds ads of guys with green faces jumping out of airplanes with bad arse gear, and the public narrative is positive about service and, yes, pushes the glory of victory over the depths of horror you can experience, I think it’s self evident that recruiting would improve. So let's lie about the realities of what they'd be in for and instead show them only one particular point of view in order to send more kids to war? I wonder if there's a name for that sort of thing, comrade.
January 9, 20242 yr 7 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Someone posts a meme TEW several posts later: we should ban certain books so our soldiers don’t get demoralized during wartime this place never ceases to amaze me TEW: "The tweet about banning propaganda is right!" *TEW literally advocates for propaganda*
January 9, 20242 yr 9 hours ago, MidMoFo said: I have nothing but respect for the men and women who join the armed forces with the known fact they may have to put their life on the line for the person next to them. I have a real problem with anyone who thinks we should censor any information from people so they don’t know what they’re getting into or may make decisions to go to war easier due to ignorance of the truth. If we’re going to put our soldiers in harm’s way, it better be worth it. 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: So let's lie about the realities of what they'd be in for and instead show them only one particular point of view in order to send more kids to war? I wonder if there's a name for that sort of thing, comrade. He has some truly mind numbing takes. In truth…long form media (books, movies, etc) aren’t the propaganda piece they used to be. IDK if it’s fortunate or unfortunate that today’s generation doesn’t have the attention span to take in anything longer than a tik tok post. I’m 100% for something that shows the grim reality of what myself and many others have experienced. Either way, the deeply rooted distrust of the government and the ones pulling the strings behind the scenes has absolutely killed recruiting. It really has nothing to do with a movie remake lol. The DoD is scrambling right now to fix it’s numbers and retention rates…hell i got called a few weeks ago on my terminal leave being asked to come back because they extended the high year of tenure numbers.
January 9, 20242 yr 15 hours ago, greenskeeper said: So this meme says that government clears debt while taxpayers add to it. Is that the message you’re going for here?
January 9, 20242 yr 8 hours ago, Imp81318 said: So this meme says that government clears debt while taxpayers add to it. Is that the message you’re going for here? He is far too stupid to have any idea what you're talking about, so get ready for a sun tsu meme in response.
January 9, 20242 yr 14 hours ago, MidMoFo said: Oh yeah. I agree. We could put out Top Gun and Red Dawn movies and fire our citizens up into all kinds of frenzy. We could censor libtard bs like All quiet on the Western Front and promote Band of Brothers all day. Then we’ll tell them there’s WMD’s in Iraq and they’ll run in there like a bunch of crazed dogs while we grab control of the oil. Yeah sure some of them will die, but some people will get rich. Sounds like freedom to me. How about we not censor anything. Like not anything at all. So the press should be able to report on the location of our troops and equipment? Of course not. You could not possibly believe this. So we all believe in war time censorship, the question is where that line is drawn? Since you like WW2, understand that one of the first things FDR did was create "the office of censorship.” 14 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Someone posts a meme TEW several posts later: we should ban certain books so our soldiers don’t get demoralized during wartime this place never ceases to amaze me Literally no where did I say that you illiterate, Hamas fellating, terrorist sympathizing nut job.
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