January 9, 20242 yr 5 hours ago, Imp81318 said: So this meme says that government clears debt while taxpayers add to it. Is that the message you’re going for here? It is saying that neither "clear” debt and simply transfer the burden back and forth, while the government keeps adding volume to the cycle. Which, if you understand the economy, is totally true. Example: the government subsidizes housing debt, college debt, holds all the unfunded liabilities for SS and Medicare/Medicaid. The government also has its own debt from discretionary spending. And all of this "government” debt is ultimately on the tax payer’s shoulder.
January 9, 20242 yr 7 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: So let's lie about the realities of what they'd be in for and instead show them only one particular point of view in order to send more kids to war? I wonder if there's a name for that sort of thing, comrade. Where did I advocate for anything? It’s just a fact. In WW2, the US literally banned negative reporting by the press. Read this: Quote The rules for correspondents [were both] ... imposed and self-imposed ... There were no cowards in the American Army, and of all the brave men the private in the infantry was the bravest and noblest. The reason for this in terms of the War Effort was obvious. The infantry private had the dirtiest, weariest, least rewarding job in the whole war. In addition to being dangerous, a great many of the things he had to do were stupid. He must therefore be reassured that these things he knew to be stupid were actually necessary and wise, and that he was a hero for doing them ... A second convention held that we had no cruel or ambitious or ignorant commanders ... We were all a part of the War Effort. We went along with it, and not only that, we abetted it. Gradually it became a part of all of us that the truth about anything was automatically secret and that to trifle with it was to interfere with the War Effort. By this I don’t mean that the correspondents were liars ... [but] it is in the things not mentioned that the untruth lies. We felt responsible to what was called the home front. There was a general feeling that unless the home front was carefully protected from the whole account of what war was like, it might panic. Also, we felt we had to protect the armed services from criticism, or they might retire to their tents to sulk like Achilles. - John Steinbeck https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-war/communication-news-censorship#:~:text=More than 30 government agencies,feared would threaten domestic unity. The greater the war and the more existential the threat, the more censorship you will have. Because demoralizing propaganda is effective and so is censoring it. Whatever you or I may think of it is irrelevant. It will be done because winning such an war overrides everything.
January 9, 20242 yr 8 hours ago, Wentz_Era said: No…it’s not. Yes… it is. And the US has faced this numerous times in its history. WW2 and Vietnam being obvious examples. Hell, didn’t the army just put out an advertisement doing exactly what I said to try to boost recruitment? 6 hours ago, Wentz_Era said: He has some truly mind numbing takes. In truth…long form media (books, movies, etc) aren’t the propaganda piece they used to be. IDK if it’s fortunate or unfortunate that today’s generation doesn’t have the attention span to take in anything longer than a tik tok post. I’m 100% for something that shows the grim reality of what myself and many others have experienced. Either way, the deeply rooted distrust of the government and the ones pulling the strings behind the scenes has absolutely killed recruiting. It really has nothing to do with a movie remake lol. The DoD is scrambling right now to fix it’s numbers and retention rates…hell i got called a few weeks ago on my terminal leave being asked to come back because they extended the high year of tenure numbers. It’s almost like demoralization works…
January 9, 20242 yr 37 minutes ago, TEW said: Literally no where did I say that you illiterate, Hamas fellating, terrorist sympathizing nut job.
January 9, 20242 yr 34 minutes ago, TEW said: Where did I advocate for anything? It’s just a fact. In WW2, the US literally banned negative reporting by the press. Read this: - John Steinbeck https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-war/communication-news-censorship#:~:text=More than 30 government agencies,feared would threaten domestic unity. The greater the war and the more existential the threat, the more censorship you will have. Because demoralizing propaganda is effective and so is censoring it. Right because real-time press reporting of a current war is the exact same thing as a novel about a previous war published a decade after the fact. Good call there, Copernicus. Quote Whatever you or I may think of it is irrelevant. It will be done because winning such an war overrides everything. You literally agreed with a tweet where a guy thought All Quiet on the Western Front was libtard propaganda. The depths of your stupidity are dark enough to sink a thousand oceangate submarines.
January 9, 20242 yr 23 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Right because real-time press reporting of a current war is the exact same thing as a novel about a previous war published a decade after the fact. Good call there, Copernicus. You literally agreed with a tweet where a guy thought All Quiet on the Western Front was libtard propaganda. The depths of your stupidity are dark enough to sink a thousand oceangate submarines. It wasn’t just "real time” reporting. Do you people seriously not understand how much censorship takes place during a war? Read the link. They literally banned photos and video of the war from being distributed to the public for years. Then FDR thinks the American public needs a jolt, so he releases pictures of American dead bodies for the first time. You’ll never guess what happens next — enlistment plummets. And yes, AQOTWF is 100% liberal mindset propaganda. That is literally the entire point of the book FFS — the misery and suffering of war. This mindset of misery and unhappiness is endemic to the liberal worldview, with replicated academic studies supporting it.
January 9, 20242 yr 3 minutes ago, TEW said: It wasn’t just "real time” reporting. Do you people seriously not understand how much censorship takes place during a war? Read the link. They literally banned photos and video of the war from being distributed to the public for years. Then FDR thinks the American public needs a jolt, so he releases pictures of American dead bodies for the first time. You’ll never guess what happens next — enlistment plummets. And yes, AQOTWF is 100% liberal mindset propaganda. That is literally the entire point of the book FFS — the misery and suffering of war. This mindset of misery and unhappiness is endemic to the liberal worldview, with replicated academic studies supporting it. "Whatever you or I may think of it is irrelevant! Except for that tweet calling a book libtard propaganda. The thoughts of whoever said that is super relevant!" - A literal retarded person
January 9, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: "Whatever you or I may think of it is irrelevant! Except for that tweet calling a book libtard propaganda. The thoughts of whoever said that is super relevant!" - A literal retarded person Yes, what we think about censorship is irrelevant because the government will do it regardless. We were talking about censorship. I know basic reading comprehension like reading the sentence directly in front of the one you try in vain to mock is difficult for you, but try to keep up.
January 9, 20242 yr 4 minutes ago, TEW said: Yes, what we think about censorship is irrelevant because the government will do it regardless. We were talking about censorship. I know basic reading comprehension like reading the sentence directly in front of the one you try in vain to mock is difficult for you, but try to keep up. "What we think doesn't matter, except for the guy I agree with. Then it suddenly matters and I'll breathlessly defend his honor like he was my own father!"
January 9, 20242 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: "What we think doesn't matter, except for the guy I agree with. Then it suddenly matters and I'll breathlessly defend his honor like he was my own father!" The illiterate moron is still going!
January 9, 20242 yr 14 minutes ago, TEW said: The illiterate moron is still going! Nobody can match your 90th percentile IQ, my man
January 10, 20242 yr 16 hours ago, TEW said: Yes… it is. And the US has faced this numerous times in its history. WW2 and Vietnam being obvious examples. Hell, didn’t the army just put out an advertisement doing exactly what I said to try to boost recruitment? It’s almost like demoralization works… I literally just retired from the military 10 days ago, but ya I’m wrong. There’s no recruiting or retention crisis…they didn’t just extend HYT numbers in a desperate bid to keep more people or call me on my terminal leave. You’re right, i know nothing, sorry.
January 10, 20242 yr 33 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said: I literally just retired from the military 10 days ago, but ya I’m wrong. There’s no recruiting or retention crisis…they didn’t just extend HYT numbers in a desperate bid to keep more people or call me on my terminal leave. You’re right, i know nothing, sorry. Uh, dude, I agree with you — I am saying there IS a recruiting crisis, and it’s precisely because we had a decade of demoralizing news coverage. That’s the entire point.
January 10, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, paco said: Not making a point. Just found this f'n hilarious. Oh yeah, we should definitely censor some of those. How are we going get people like private Pyle to join the marines if we let just anybody watch Full Metal Jacket? And…
January 10, 20242 yr 57 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: A bunch of libtard propaganda if you ask me! Telling what or how something happened=propaganda these days.
January 10, 20242 yr 3 hours ago, TEW said: Uh, dude, I agree with you — I am saying there IS a recruiting crisis, and it’s precisely because we had a decade of demoralizing news coverage. That’s the entire point. Sure…but it really has not much to do with demoralizing news coverage as it does lack of faith in the government. Inept leadership inside and out running things. You’re doing backflips right now trying to argue 2 different points about the same things. Demoralizing coverage of 9/11 and Pearl Harbor really hurt recruiting back in the day right? Recruiting has been in shambles far before the botched A-Stan withdrawal.
January 10, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, Wentz_Era said: Sure…but it really has not much to do with demoralizing news coverage as it does lack of faith in the government. Inept leadership inside and out running things. You’re doing backflips right now trying to argue 2 different points about the same things. Demoralizing coverage of 9/11 and Pearl Harbor really hurt recruiting back in the day right? Recruiting has been in shambles far before the botched A-Stan withdrawal. Pretty straightforward really. Are we recruiting soldiers to protect our country (Pearl Harbor & 9-11)? Or recruiting soldiers to rebuild nations where the general population hates us, because we just destroyed it (Iraq & 20+ years in Afghanistan)?
January 10, 20242 yr 3 hours ago, Wentz_Era said: Sure…but it really has not much to do with demoralizing news coverage as it does lack of faith in the government. Inept leadership inside and out running things. You’re doing backflips right now trying to argue 2 different points about the same things. Demoralizing coverage of 9/11 and Pearl Harbor really hurt recruiting back in the day right? Recruiting has been in shambles far before the botched A-Stan withdrawal. Where does this lack of faith come from? What is news coverage that destroys public faith in the government other than demoralizing? I’m not saying it was wrong for that news coverage to take place, or that it should not have been allowed to take place, or that people who lack faith in our government are wrong to think this. But by definition this is a demoralizing phenomenon. If you were America’s enemy, this is EXACTLY what you would try to accomplish in a psychological operation against the public. It’s why we have had such difficulty winning protracted wars over the past half century. It’s not that we don’t kill our enemies better than they kill us, it’s that the general public has their appetite for war eroded by negative news coverage (regardless of if that coverage is justified or true or not).
January 10, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, MidMoFo said: Pretty straightforward really. Are we recruiting soldiers to protect our country (Pearl Harbor & 9-11)? Or recruiting soldiers to rebuild nations where the general population hates us, because we just destroyed it (Iraq & 20+ years in Afghanistan)? If you read the article I linked previously, enlistment plummeted in WW2 after FDR lifted his strict censorship and allowed pictures of dead soldiers to be shown to the American public. That was like year 2 after Pearl Harbor. So clearly the mere fact that you were attacked and are recruiting to protect our country isn’t enough in the face of demoralizing information.
January 10, 20242 yr 41 minutes ago, TEW said: If you read the article I linked previously, enlistment plummeted in WW2 after FDR lifted his strict censorship and allowed pictures of dead soldiers to be shown to the American public. That was like year 2 after Pearl Harbor. So clearly the mere fact that you were attacked and are recruiting to protect our country isn’t enough in the face of demoralizing information. I believe you, and I’m not surprised without reading the article. Wasn’t there a draft going on around that same time after Pearl Harbor? I would think that would have an effect on voluntary enlistment as well. I’m not going to accept or support our government lying, misleading or hiding information from citizens. None of them, whether it’s the party I support or not. Not allowing the media to reveal the coordinates of our troops during a conflict is not the same, because that is FOR the safety of our troops. Now you can bring up the censoring of hate speech, but that’s also different because it’s typically littered with false information and it can also lead to endangering innocent citizens.
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