Just now, mr_hunt said:

yeah. i mean...you'd have to be an unregistered person voting under a registered voter's name, i guess.   i don't think that happens very often. 

Like I said. makes zero sense. Imagine the coordination required to pull something like that off without making so many mistakes that audits would very easily find.

Just now, paco said:

I don't think I've ever heard anyone suggest THAT  

 

Oh ok. So what is happening that an ID would prevent?

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, barho said:

They do t need an id.  All you need is last four digits of SS#

Interesting, it appears you are correct.  I was looking at NY's online form and these were the options:

 

Option 3 is concerning TBH.  

4 minutes ago, paco said:

 

This I've seen.  Or something along the lines of Circle Jerk Member #7 knows his neighbor isn't voting, so goes into the polling station and claims to be them to get additional votes for their candidate.

 

Don't polling places compare signatures on file? You say you've seen this happen? Did you report it?

 

 

18 minutes ago, paco said:

You use your drivers license\ID to obtain a mail in ballot.

Not sure about PA, but here you only need ID to register, you don't need ID to apply for absentee and you can even request to be on the permanent absentee ballot list which means you'll automatically get mailed a ballot for every election. We've got the ballot harvesting and stuffing down to a science, try to keep up.

4 minutes ago, barho said:

They don’t need an id.  All you need is last four digits of SS#

But they must checking your information against some sort of positive if data base. They are using the last four as verification. 

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

Don't polling places compare signatures on file? You say you've seen this happen? Did you report it?

I didn't say I saw it happen. I saw that argument as to why you should have an ID.

 

But yeah, that is a good point, they do compare signatures.  (Schmoopie does mine perfectly  )

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Don't polling places compare signatures on file? You say you've seen this happen? Did you report it?

mine compares signatures. 

7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

LALONE!

I wonder what he’s up too? Every once I awhile I’ll see a local band from his area, and wonder if it’s his. 

8 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

The logistics of committing fraud make zero sense. Anybody who actually uses their brain on this one would realize how ridiculous the entire thing is. 

Sure there's no evidence that it actually reduces fraud but it makes them feel better, Paul. That's what you're missing in this whole thing, you're not considering their feelings.

Many years ago when I moved I showed up at the wrong polling place and that's where I believe I was asked for id.  Then, 4 years later I had both my Id and signature checked before I voted.  That was a long time ago.  I suppose some (emphasis on SOME) of you nerds figure a way around this to cheat, but seriously, this is your vote, and you need to go do it.  Just once , mind you.

I don't know what ya'll are talking about.   I show my ID every time I vote....and I still vote 8-10 times every election, once for every dead relative.

1 minute ago, paco said:

 I saw that argument as to why you should have an ID.

 

 

See, this is where I disagree. It makes zero sense to me.

1. You need a valid ID to register to vote
2. You get assigned a polling place
3. You'd need to decide not to vote because....reasons
4. Then you'd need to coordinate with someone who can't register to vote (felon, illegal) who can make it to your polling place
5. You'd need to teach them your signature
6. They'd need to go to your polling place, give your name, have a signature close enough to yours and then vote
7. Never get caught

To suggest this is happening on a large scale (without being caught) and requires millions (billions?) to install ID scanner in every polling place is the type of stuff reserved for Trump supporters. It's simply not happening and we're being asked to spend unnecessary time and money.

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

See, this is where I disagree. It makes zero sense to me.

1. You need a valid ID to register to vote
2. You get assigned a polling place
3. You'd need to decide not to vote because....reasons
4. Then you'd need to coordinate with someone who can't register to vote (felon, illegal) who can make it to your polling place
5. You'd need to teach them your signature
6. They'd need to go to your polling place, give your name, have a signature close enough to yours and then vote
7. Never get caught

To suggest this is happening on a large scale (without being caught) and requires millions (billions?) to install ID scanner in every polling place is the type of stuff reserved for Trump supporters. It's simply not happening and we're being asked to spend unnecessary time and money.

so when someone tells...say...a governor...or an election official...to "find them the votes"...they'd have to go through that process around 12,000 times? or is there some other way to "find them"?  

Just now, mr_hunt said:

so when someone tells...say...a governor...or an election official...to "find them the votes"...they'd have to go through that process around 12,000 times? or is there some other way to "find them"?  

Yeah, they would likely have to dig up 12k registered people who didn't vote and vote for them. Retroactively doing it is difficult but the deep state could definitely pull it off.

The Democrats are going to tell despicable lie after despicable lie right up until election day

 

 

Many of you will shocked to discovery that Margaret Thacher was Hitler

7 minutes ago, DiPros said:

Many years ago when I moved I showed up at the wrong polling place and that's where I believe I was asked for id.  Then, 4 years later I had both my Id and signature checked before I voted.  That was a long time ago.  I suppose some (emphasis on SOME) of you nerds figure a way around this to cheat, but seriously, this is your vote, and you need to go do it.  Just once , mind you.

I've been claiming to be you for the last 4 elections and it hasn't worked yet.

Voter Suppression.

Wisconsin college students and recent grads receiving threatening texts over voting

 

When Thomas Lenz first got the text, he thought it was "just another text during election season" encouraging people to vote.

Then he read it. Instead, the anonymous message cited Wisconsin statutes and warned that violating them could result in fines of up to $10,000 or 3 1/2 years in prison, adding: "Don't vote in a state where you're not eligible."

"I was like, 'Wait, this seems unethical,'" Lenz, a 22-year-old graduate student from La Crosse, told the Journal Sentinel. "It's sort of threatening. Like, 'Hey, if you do vote, you might get penalized.' The thing that really gets me, it seems very nefariously worded."

 

It's believed Lenz is one of thousands of young Wisconsin voters who received the text message.

Voting rights advocates are calling on state and federal authorities to investigate the messages, which were sent on Oct. 10. Free Speech for the People, on behalf of the League of Women Voters of Wisconsin, sent a letter to the U.S. Department of Justice and the state Department of Justice last week urging them to investigate.

"Without prompt investigation and action, the sender may continue its efforts to frighten eligible young voters into not voting," they wrote in the Oct. 15 letter.

The letter adds that the sender "targeted young voters aged 18-25," including young staff members of the League of Women Voters and others who are part of the University of Wisconsin System. At least one Journal Sentinel reporter also received the text.

"Now many students and other young voters are fearful that they will face criminal prosecution if they register and exercise their right to vote — because of a malicious, inaccurate text sent by an anonymous party," they wrote.

College students are able to register to vote either at their home address or the address where they are attending school.

Gillian Drummond, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Justice, said the agency "takes allegations of potential violations of election law seriously."

"Wisconsin DOJ is reviewing the information provided and will assess what if any follow-up is appropriate based on the facts and the law," she said in an email.

Riley Vetterkind, a spokesman for the Wisconsin Elections Commission, said in an email that the agency can't determine "whether messages like these violate the law without receiving a formal complaint."

"We understand that these third party text messages can be very frustrating for voters," Vetterkind said. "We recommend voters rely upon official sources of election information, such as from state or local election officials. Voters are free to ignore these text messages since they are not sent or associated with an official source."

Another voter outreach organization, Voters of Tomorrow, said this week it was launching an effort to combat the threatening messages with "more than 350,000 texts to young Wisconsinites, primarily students, clarifying their voting rights and encouraging them to make a plan to vote."

"As a Gen Z-led group, we firmly believe that our votes should be earned, not silenced,” Mark Putman, Voters of Tomorrow’s Wisconsin chapter lead, said in a statement. "As a campaign, if your only path to victory counts on young voters staying home, you’ve already lost. The threatening text messages are pathetic, anti-democratic, and illegal."

As for Lenz, he said the text would not stop him from voting, adding that he'd already mailed in his absentee ballot before seeing it. But he added that he was concerned it would intimidate others.

"It just concerns me that other people out there like me, who might be students and having to vote absentee, that might be intimidated by the fact that there's people threatening some sort of vague consequences," he said. "I think voting is such an important part of democracy that any kind of attempts like this make me angry. That there are people out there who are not trying to help somebody get elected, but scaring people out of exercising their rights."

I am shocked and dismayed to report that Joe Biden is Hitler