1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

There is enough smoke out there now to confirm that the wheels are spinning fast and furious now in the attempt to try to remove Biden from the ticket.  A struggle is underway and Harris is the front runner should Biden drop.

i believe it when i see it

9 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

i believe it when i see it

No doubt they are plenty capable of Fing up and not pulling the trigger on Biden.  I think they will do it.

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There is no way in the world Democratic and Independent voters are sitting there saying to themselves "I really don’t know anything about Whitmer or Newsom

I hate to break it to you, but your typical voter is only casually engaged with politics. Unless they live or border the two states in question, they absolutely would have no idea who Newsome and Whitmer even are. And again, it's not that they would then instead choose to vote for Trump, it's that they would stay home and not vote at all. Conversely, the most engaged and reliable voting bloc in this country are senior citizens, which is exactly why we get people like Feinstein, Pelosi, McConnel, Trump, Biden, etc doing a job at an age that no other industry would consider for filling open positions. 

This is also why I keep saying it should be easier to vote, not harder. The more difficult and inconvenient the process is, the more likely you are to have only a tiny empassioned subset of the population electing your candidates, which is exactly how you find yourself in the situation we're in.

54 minutes ago, Kz! said:

   

Their grip on reality is really something else.

Oh is it?  You seriously believe none of that would happen with the buffoon in charge? 

I can guarantee you I would vote for a Biden corpse before I EVER voted for that jerk again.

hell, i'd vote for dr_philly over trump...and that's saying a WHOLE LOT!

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

hell, i'd vote for dr_philly over trump...and that's saying a WHOLE LOT!

Hell yeah! I’m winning ‘em one vote at a time.

34 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

No doubt they are plenty capable of Fing up and not pulling the trigger on Biden.  I think they will do it.

I think you guys are prisoners of the moment here. It would be a colossal F up for Dems to pysch themselves out and remove Biden.  Trump (the devil incarnate) has the Christian vote on lockdown. Led an insurrection and has the 'originalist" crowd also on lockdown.  Oh and he's only slightly more functional than Biden.

 

It's too late for him to back down, any replacement will whiff so hard of deep state anti -democracy that the beatdown will be certain. Suck it up and pull that lever like the republicans are going to do.

6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

hell, i'd vote for dr_philly over trump...and that's saying a WHOLE LOT!

I'd even vote for Mike31mt's lazy left eye over Trump

2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

It's too late for him to back down, any replacement not named Kamala Harris will whiff so hard of deep state anti -democracy that the beatdown will be certain.

Agreed on all points but one minor correction. They boxed themselves in on this when they picked her.

1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said:

I think you guys are prisoners of the moment here. It would be a colossal F up for Dems to pysch themselves out and remove Biden.  Trump (the devil incarnate) has the Christian vote on lockdown. Led an insurrection and has the 'originalist" crowd also on lockdown.  Oh and he's only slightly more functional than Biden.

 

It's too late for him to back down, any replacement will whiff so hard of deep state anti -democracy that the beatdown will be certain. Suck it up and pull that lever like the republicans are going to do.

It is now painfully obvious to everyone that Biden is in a deep state of mental decline. No way he can beat Trump. The F up would be to not pull the plug. 

@VaBeach_Eagle  I think it was a few pages back where you had asked about that Ohio ballot issue. I guess the way around that is to hold a virual roll call prior to the deadline set forth by Ohio to comply with the language of their law. This apparently came up when people were speculating that the roll call was new and its purpose was related to the discussions of replacing Biden.

 

 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Agreed on all points but one minor correction. They boxed themselves in on this when they picked her.

Exactly correct.  I honestly think the best thing to do is replace Kamala with a hotter name. Especially if Trump also psyches himself into f'ing up and not taking Tim Scott.  It woulkd be an open secret that the new VEEp is the real candidate who will take over in a yr or two, but without the truly messy job of replacing Biden.

3 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

I honestly think the best thing to do is replace Kamala with a hotter name.

That won't happen either for some of the same reasons. This isn't a football team deciding to switch coordinators mid-way through the season, these types of wholesale changes have huge ramifications on the perception of the political apparatus, but even if it was, you are taking a big risk that you end up with someone worse (as we all should be painfully aware of.)

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

It is now painfully obvious to everyone that Biden is in a deep state of mental decline. No way he can beat Trump. The F up would be to not pull the plug. 

Trump is an indicted criminal , also solidly in decline, crazy and promising a fascist regime. Sack up Democrats, this self doubt is pathetic.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That won't happen either for some of the same reasons. This isn't a football team deciding to switch coordinators mid-way through the season, these types of wholesale changes have huge ramifications on the perception of the political apparatus, but even if it was, you are taking a big risk that you end up with someone worse (as we all should be painfully aware of.)

There is absolutely nothing binding the delegates who already voted to Kamala harris.  It would be exactly like switching coordinators plus you get to quash and outshine Trump's VEEP sweepstakes.

dnc just gonna pretend joe wasn't on another f'n planet during last week's debate & hope it goes away. 

Just now, mr_hunt said:

dnc just gonna pretend joe wasn't on another f'n planet during last week's debate & hope it goes away. 

this. 

 

because dems gonna dem. 

1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said:

There is absolutely nothing binding the delegates who already voted to Kamala harris.  It would be exactly like switching coordinators plus you get to quash and outshine Trump's VEEP sweepstakes.

Which clearly never backfires in any way, amirite?

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Which clearly never backfires in any way, amirite?

Well I do agree the current path isn't promising. I'm giving the course of action I actually think could work.

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

dnc just gonna pretend joe wasn't on another f'n planet during last week's debate & hope it goes away. 

Yep, taking a page out of the GOP playbook. And having seen how they all rally each and every time there's some apparent watershed moment in their own campaign only to have it fade after a couple months, it might just be the best move after all.

Just now, dawkins4prez said:

Well I do agree the current path isn't promising. I'm giving the course of action I actually think could work.

I personally wouldn't be opposed to it (never liked Harris to begin with), I just don't think it's likely to happen because of the optics and ensuing turbulence.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

I personally wouldn't be opposed to it (never liked Harris to begin with), I just don't think it's likely to happen because of the optics and ensuing turbulence.

replacing biden is a lose/lose....you potentially lose some black voters and/or women if you replace biden with someone other than harris. on the other hand, harris is unpopular among white & hispanic men, so.......... 

 

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

replacing biden is a lose/lose....you potentially lose some black voters and/or women if you replace biden with someone other than harris. on the other hand, harris is unpopular among white & hispanic men, so.......... 

 

I think dawk was referring to keeping Biden on the ticket but replacing Harris with someone else, but I agree that it's too late for any of these types of games. There was a window for it that opened and closed once the primaries came and went.

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

replacing biden is a lose/lose....you potentially lose some black voters and/or women if you replace biden with someone other than harris. on the other hand, harris is unpopular among white & hispanic men, so.......... 

 

If Trump takes Tim Scott then you can't remove Harris, but if Trump takes Scott it's pretty much game over anyways. Hopefully overconfidence allows the Stephen miller DEI hate crowd to do their thing and give Biden a shot.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I think dawk was referring to keeping Biden on the ticket but replacing Harris with someone else, but I agree that it's too late for any of these types of games. There was a window for that opened and closed once the primaries came and went.

yeah...i was more posting about if biden is replaced.  replacing harris as vp candidate would also be risky for pretty much the same reasons, imo. you're gonna piss off part of the voting base. 

harris has always come across as a huge phony to me...but with biden looking like something out of the twd universe, maybe they need to make kamala more visible & present her as a leader so people won't be so worried about her potentially taking over.