July 3, 20241 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: Yeah, if you for some insane reason take out the 10M jobs gained in the first year and a half of his term, 6M+ jobs in a 2 year span is terrible. Sure, that 6M job gain is more than the jobs gained in Eisenhower's entire 8 year term, the split Kennedy/Johnson term, Nixon's first term, Nixon/Ford's split term, Reagan's first term, HW Bush's term, W's entire 8 year term, Obama's first term and of course Trump's disastrous term, but sure, very unimpressive. Like I said before, if you want to talk about once we got back to pre pandemic levels, totally different discussion. Just now, VanHammersly said: This is true. I saw a headline on Epoch Times that read: RECESSION IMMINENT Laugh, but yeah, no one worth listening to is declaring victory over avoiding a recession and there is concern out there it may still hit. Just now, VanHammersly said: It looks like everybody's ripped on this one enough Tiny tool never counts and it was new to Paul. I invite you to read my post above yours here and get back to me. Just now, VanHammersly said: Right, must be the summer of 2020 that kept crime trending upwards for years. Reported violent crime rate in the United States from 1990 to 2022 🤷♂️
July 3, 20241 yr biden is having 1-on-1 calls with several dem leaders today. could mean something. could mean nothing.
July 3, 20241 yr 21 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: biden is having 1-on-1 calls with several dem leaders today. could mean something. could mean nothing. biden had 1 on 1 calls with schumer, pelosi, & clyburn earlier.
July 3, 20241 yr 39 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: If you contend to be better than the trumpbots, then yes For the life of me I have never and will never understand how people put so much stock in the POTUS as the driver of the US economy. As if Obama, Trump or Biden have ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to do with the tech boom that's been driving the last couple deacdes. As if any of them invented new ways to extract shale or invented f'ing AI. GTFO here. Not only that, but as a kicker people act like the US economy is a speedboat than any POTUS can just steer from day one. No its not, it's a Fing tanker and the few times a POTUS ACTUALLY affects the economy they just stick their dick in for political purposes and F it up for the next guy who has to deal with long term ramifications (see: Bush getting the housing crises caused by Clinton repealing Glassteel. See: Trump smacking China with tariffs and calling it Bidenflation when it kicks in.) IIMHO, and I have been extremely consistent with this since I got here in like 2006. assigning the economy to the POTUS is a fools errand. But that's what they run on, every single cycle and every single cycle they take credit for shite they didn't do and fudge numbers however they feel like it. This is the one facet of this election that is tragically familiar and just like all the others.
July 3, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, mr_hunt said: not to mention, trump was potus when the country was shut down for covid. Trump didn’t shut the country down, he left it up to the states. Blue states like California filled skateparks with sand, pulled surfers out of the ocean, and drew little circles in the park where you weren’t allowed to leave your invisible force field that the virus couldn’t penetrate (the science). Florida stayed open and operating.
July 3, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: biden had 1 on 1 calls with schumer, pelosi, & clyburn earlier. apparently he spoke with Jeffries and Coons yesterday
July 3, 20241 yr Quote The race for president has shifted in Donald Trump's direction following the first 2024 presidential debate. Trump now has a 3-point edge over President Biden across the battleground states collectively, and a 2-point edge nationally. From a CBS article, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-biden-poll-debate-democrats-turnout/ This is the issue. The amount of voters that need to stay home / change candidate to affect the final outcome is relatively small and only in the key battleground states. This is why they may indeed decide to ground Joe.
July 3, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: Justice Sotomayor did too. No one has said she’s wrong I just think it's wild that there are literally people walking around in public that think that the president can now murder anyone he wants because of this ruling. It truly is fascinating to see how far people can get disconnected from reality.
July 3, 20241 yr 59 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I chuckled because you just said "the market underperformed" without including a benchmark or metric. It's like saying NFL QBs underperformed without specifying a QB or metric: passer rating, TDs, yards, etc. It's a nonsensical statement without explaining what you're referring to. I think the S&P 500 under Biden is overperforming the average annualized returns. And the "adjusting for inflation" aspect is laughable given that you undermined it the minute you brought up the pandemic recovery.
July 3, 20241 yr 32 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: biden had 1 on 1 calls with schumer, pelosi, & clyburn earlier. Best window to have him replaced was directly after the debate
July 3, 20241 yr Just now, Mike030270 said: Best window to have him replaced was directly after the debate It hasn't even been a week
July 3, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Mike030270 said: Best window to have him replaced was directly after the debate It doesn't go that fast mate. The buildup is still underway and the final decision is not yet made.
July 3, 20241 yr Just now, Mike030270 said: I said directly... The optics on that would be awful. You have to make it seem he was involved in the decision.
July 3, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: Best window to have him replaced was directly after the debate i was thinking during the intermission.
July 3, 20241 yr Just now, mr_hunt said: i was thinking during the intermission. With the way he was looking... I'd agree
July 3, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Paul852 said: The optics on that would be awful. You have to make it seem he was involved in the decision. Plus they really need to be able to announce a new path forward with at least the major Dem players behind it. They need a couple weeks to rush it thru and that's only if the big players can get aligned and not have it turn into a free for all.
July 3, 20241 yr It's too late for them to make a change. I thought they would have tried it around six months ago, but they've hitched their wagon to him and they need to just play it out. And there are people out there who would vote for Biden's head in a jar over Trump so they still have that going for them. I do find it funny/sad that it took a disaster debate from Biden for a lot of people to finally realize that there is a problem. We've been seeing videos and clips of this guy losing his train of thought, falling over, wandering off stage, and botching teleprompter reads for a couple years now. And anytime anyone brought up legitimate concern over it, the PR has always been "he's fine", "he's as sharp as ever", "you're just a far right NSDAP" etc. They've had three years to build up Kamala and she has been useless. They didn't have a primary because if Joe went on stage he would have been destroyed, looked feeble, and the whole party would have eaten itself. They knew this. He's been their guy all along and it's the party's fault it has gotten to this point. They all knew and what we saw at the debate shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.
July 3, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, paco said: Like I said before, if you want to talk about once we got back to pre pandemic levels, totally different discussion. No, that's actually the discussion we were having. I said he gained 16M jobs. You said it wasn't impressive because it was after a pandemic. Then I showed how historically impressive it was even when you take out the Covid jobs recovered (which on its face is weird since those recovered jobs happened on his watch and certainly could've never been recovered if he had done something stupid and sent us into a recession). It's a weird instinct among those attacking Dem Presidents to insist recovering from disasters that were brought on during a previous administrations is never good enough. With Obama it was "we're not recovering fast enough". With Biden it's "well, the incredibly fast recovery doesn't count because it was just a recovery" It's nonsense in both cases, designed to deflect from the fact that the collapses happened, as always, under Republican presidents.
July 3, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: No, that's actually the discussion we were having. I said he gained 16M jobs. You said it wasn't impressive because it was after a pandemic. Then I showed how historically impressive it was even when you take out the Covid jobs recovered (which on its face is weird since those recovered jobs happened on his watch and certainly could've never been recovered if he had done something stupid and sent us into a recession). It's a weird instinct among those attacking Dem Presidents to insist recovering from disasters that were brought on during a previous administrations is never good enough. With Obama it was "we're not recovering fast enough". With Biden it's "well, the incredibly fast recovery doesn't count because it was just a recovery" It's nonsense in both cases, designed to deflect from the fact that the collapses happened, as always, under Republican presidents. Funny how the inflation directly resulting from the pandemic isn't a "totally different discussion" but the jobs gained somehow is.
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