July 9, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: For starters, you are missing that there is nothing to solve, as there is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud of any kind. So all of this is spending billions of dollars to solve a non-existent problem. You missed my posts where I agreed we don't have a problem worth prioritizing. None the less it still is logical to require showing an ID for voting. Lots of civilized countries do that, including India. Technically it isn't hard at all. 8 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Second, you want every state DMV to be required to check citizenship status to "add a mark" for people who are citizens? Great, how will they do this? And if they get it wrong and give one to a non-citizen, who is liable? Oh, and under that effing authority is the Federal Government putting a mandate on state DMVs???? Nice job massively expanding Federal power and violating the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. "The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators." - Yes, the 10th in in place but so is this article granting the Congress power to set regulations for federal elections. Perhaps this article has already been reviewed in terms of the reach of Congress regulation but I didn't find it in a 2 min search. The items I quickly found had to do with the State's actions. 14 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Third, first time voters...HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME FORM OF IDENTIFICATION. Under the Help America Vote Act: This act essentially validates my premise that Congress does indeed have the ability to regulate the State's federal election processes as set forth in the articles. All I'm suggesting is to extend the type of regulatory policy set out in HAVA. Naturally, HAVA or an extension to HAVA can be brought before SCOTUS. So yeah, you haven't convinced me yet. I agree with you that we don't need to prioritize this but I disagree that it is difficult (not saying there isn't some cost) and as far as I can see we already have precedent for this very type of topic in HAVA.
July 9, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, The_Omega said: You make it a requirement and the parties will solve the issue tomorrow. They can go door to door to register voters and harvest their ballots they can ensure they have government issued photo ID, and help them get one if they don't. This simple step to help restore some confidence in the integrity of our elections is a no brainer. This is the disingenuous BS I can't stand. There's only a lack of confidence in our election integrity among a group of people because GOP politicians have been lying to them in order to placate the infantile feelings of a man-baby that can't accept he lost an election. The idea that we are going to pass new laws and spend billions of dollars to assuage a moron's ego is repulsive. The better idea to restore confidence in elections -- have the GOP stop lying to people in order to curry favor with an imbecile.
July 9, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Kuato remains undefeated If they really do replace Biden, I'm all for Fetterman.
July 9, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, vikas83 said: This is the disingenuous BS I can't stand. There's only a lack of confidence in our election integrity among a group of people because GOP politicians have been lying to them in order to placate the infantile feelings of a man-baby that can't accept he lost an election. The idea that we are going to pass new laws and spend billions of dollars to assuage a moron's ego is repulsive. The better idea to restore confidence in elections -- have the GOP stop lying to people in order to curry favor with an imbecile. This is an issue that goes back decades
July 9, 20241 yr Just now, ToastJenkins said: This is an issue that goes back decades There is no evidence of rampant voting by illegal immigrants or non-citizens. If you want to talk about shenanigans in 1960, that wasn't people illegally voting. Those issues were with those that count and report the votes.
July 9, 20241 yr Alabama closed almost half of its DMV offices after they required voter ID. Guess where they closed them? Anyone?
July 9, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Bill said: Alabama closed almost half of its DMV offices after they required voter ID. Guess where they closed them? Anyone? no doubt the well to do areas, right?
July 9, 20241 yr 17 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: This is an issue that goes back decades Then surely there's plenty of evidence of this type of voter fraud, right?
July 9, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Bill said: Alabama closed almost half of its DMV offices after they required voter ID. Guess where they closed them? Anyone?
July 9, 20241 yr In 2025 Dept of Homeland Security will have all 50 states with Real ID -I also don't get the issue. Being in PA and not having one of the documents needed, I applied for a passport and will use that. I have no issue with people showing their ID, signing the book, and casting your vote.
July 9, 20241 yr 38 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: This is an issue that goes back decades Emotional drivel.
July 9, 20241 yr Don't open it Spoiler I'm warning you Spoiler Seriously what's wrong with you Spoiler Who are you, @DrPhilly? Spoiler Ok, you asked for it Spoiler
July 9, 20241 yr 56 minutes ago, vikas83 said: There is no evidence of rampant voting by illegal immigrants or non-citizens. If you want to talk about shenanigans in 1960, that wasn't people illegally voting. Those issues were with those that count and report the votes. Remember how many kids vanished when you had to provide their Ssn on tax returns?
July 9, 20241 yr Just now, ToastJenkins said: Remember how many kids vanished when you had to provide their Ssn on tax returns? OK - and this related to proof of widespread voter fraud by illegal immigrants how? Yeah, people lie on their taxes because people don't like paying taxes. There's a real, tangible benefit. Most individuals won't commit voter fraud because the reward (an extra vote) isn't worth the risk. You're a scientist. Where's your data and evidence? It doesn't exist.
July 9, 20241 yr Author 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: This is the disingenuous BS I can't stand. There's only a lack of confidence in our election integrity among a group of people because GOP politicians have been lying to them in order to placate the infantile feelings of a man-baby that can't accept he lost an election. The idea that we are going to pass new laws and spend billions of dollars to assuage a moron's ego is repulsive. The better idea to restore confidence in elections -- have the GOP stop lying to people in order to curry favor with an imbecile. Sorry, the disingenuous bs is on your end. There is ample evidence of fraud, democrats are outright advertising for illegals to register to vote in Federal elections. Requiring photo ID to vote is far less onerous then the restrictions would allowed to be placed on other constitutional rights, like the 1st and 2nd amendments, for example. Just because you refuse to accept, or even acknowledge to evidence of fraud others have provided doesn't mean other people are wrong to do so.
July 9, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, The_Omega said: Sorry, the disingenuous bs is on your end. There is ample evidence of fraud, democrats are outright advertising for illegals to register to vote in Federal elections. Requiring photo ID to vote is far less onerous then the restrictions would allowed to be placed on other constitutional rights, like the 1st and 2nd amendments, for example. Just because you refuse to accept, or even acknowledge to evidence of fraud others have provided doesn't mean other people are wrong to do so. That's a woman dropping off votes. 60 court cases. No evidence of voter fraud presented at all. Zero. None. I'm dealing in facts, evidence and reality. These are areas with which you have no experience.
July 9, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Sorry, the disingenuous bs is on your end. There is ample evidence of fraud, democrats are outright advertising for illegals to register to vote in Federal elections. Requiring photo ID to vote is far less onerous then the restrictions would allowed to be placed on other constitutional rights, like the 1st and 2nd amendments, for example. Just because you refuse to accept, or even acknowledge to evidence of fraud others have provided doesn't mean other people are wrong to do so. Not only were you formerly known as zuker, you used to have half a brain.
July 9, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, vikas83 said: That's a woman dropping off votes. 60 court cases. No evidence of voter fraud presented at all. Zero. None. I'm dealing in facts, evidence and reality. These are areas with which you have no experience. WAIT, theories dont work for you ? i mean no surprise they work for a dolt like meg, but not yourself?
July 9, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said: Remember how many kids vanished when you had to provide their Ssn on tax returns? Guess it should have been pretty damn easy to find all those invalid votes in 2020. What happened?
July 9, 20241 yr Just now, Alpha_TATEr said: WAIT, theories dont work you ? i mean no surprise they work for a dolt like meg, but not yourself? I mean, I dropped off both my ballot and my wife's back in 2020. Guess I was stuffing the ballot box and committing voter fraud by this definition. I'm so sick and tired of having to watch the GOP, a party I once supported, turn into a daycare to placate the ego of a toddler.
July 9, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, The_Omega said: There is ample evidence I'm starting to realize Republicans truly do not know what this word means
July 9, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: I mean, I dropped off both my ballot and my wife's back in 2020. Guess I was stuffing the ballot box and committing voter fraud by this definition. I'm so sick and tired of having to watch the GOP, a party I once supported, turn into a daycare to placate the ego of a toddler. it's a disgusting sight to see for sure, especially when someone like meg is all too willing to get on his knees and drink the kool-aid as he tries to prove an example of voter fraud from the left when there are tons of actual proof of the right doing in the open in 2020.
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