9 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

So who you going to replace him with? Janarius Robinson? EE was criticising Barnett for not doing anything with 6 snaps. Robinson did nothing with 36 snaps.

Barnett struggled getting home in 2021, but that was the year Gannon let everyone short pass us to death. Every other year Barnett is averaging about 6-7 sacks over a 16 game season. That’s a good rotational DE. They are not easy to come by. Look at what happened when they tried to replace him with Quinn last year. 

Maybe that guy is not currently on the team,

10 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

So who you going to replace him with? Janarius Robinson? EE was criticising Barnett for not doing anything with 6 snaps. Robinson did nothing with 36 snaps.

Barnett struggled getting home in 2021, but that was the year Gannon let everyone short pass us to death. Every other year Barnett is averaging about 6-7 sacks over a 16 game season. That’s a good rotational DE. They are not easy to come by. Look at what happened when they tried to replace him with Quinn last year. 

He’s a rotational guy, but they need him to make smart choices out there, and I don’t think he’s really all that missed. They had over 70 sacks without him. 

4 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Maybe that guy is not currently on the team,

 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

He’s a rotational guy, but they need him to make smart choices out there, and I don’t think he’s really all that missed. They had over 70 sacks without him. 

Okay - point me out a free agent edge rusher that you think can get us 6 sacks and decent pressure this year? 

Yes we did have 70 sacks, but we lost a fair proportion with Hargrove and BG is 35 now. I expect Barnett to move inside on pass rushing downs a fair amount.

Yes he could do with cutting out a couple of penalties. They can hurt the team. But his issues are overblown. 

Simple fact is you don’t throw away a good rotational DE who is only 27. 

We all loves sacks, but it's a little concerning that our defense went from allowing 4.0 yards per carry in 2021 to 4.6 last year. 4.0 isn't anything to write home about, but 4.6 is almost as bad as it gets. Our defense's inability to shut down runs at critical times last season is a big reason why we lost to Washington and lost the Super Bowl.

9 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

Okay - point me out a free agent edge rusher that you think can get us 6 sacks and decent pressure this year? 

Yes we did have 70 sacks, but we lost a fair proportion with Hargrove and BG is 35 now. I expect Barnett to move inside on pass rushing downs a fair amount.

Yes he could do with cutting out a couple of penalties. They can hurt the team. But his issues are overblown. 

Simple fact is you don’t throw away a good rotational DE who is only 27. 

Why do you assume Barnett is getting you six sacks bud? He’s coming off a season ending injury, has only gotten 6 once, and the last time he played a full season he only got 2 sacks. That is not a good assumption to have. Not for nothing but you want to talk about his snap count, but Jalen Carter had only two plays and people were talking about him making an impact. That’s the overall issue though isn’t it? Barnett gets a limited amount of plays and ultimately he shows up making more negative plays than he should. FYI Suh in his limited time as an Eagles got one less sack than Barnett did in his last full time as a starter for the Eagles. You looking for sacks and pressures? I think Carter and Smith will provide more than Barnett will. 

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

We all loves sacks, but it's a little concerning that our defense went from allowing 4.0 yards per carry in 2021 to 4.6 last year. 4.0 isn't anything to write home about, but 4.6 is almost as bad as it gets. Our defense's inability to shut down runs at critical times last season is a big reason why we lost to Washington and lost the Super Bowl.

I don’t think Derek Barnett is the guy who will solidify the run defense. 

12 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

Okay - point me out a free agent edge rusher that you think can get us 6 sacks and decent pressure this year? 

Yes we did have 70 sacks, but we lost a fair proportion with Hargrove and BG is 35 now. I expect Barnett to move inside on pass rushing downs a fair amount.

Yes he could do with cutting out a couple of penalties. They can hurt the team. But his issues are overblown. 

Simple fact is you don’t throw away a good rotational DE who is only 27. 

Do I have to do that now or can I wait until final cuts? But to start, how about Clowney or Melvin Ingram? 

20 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Why do you assume Barnett is getting you six sacks bud? He’s coming off a season ending injury, has only gotten 6 once, and the last time he played a full season he only got 2 sacks. That is not a good assumption to have. Not for nothing but you want to talk about his snap count, but Jalen Carter had only two plays and people were talking about him making an impact. That’s the overall issue though isn’t it? Barnett gets a limited amount of plays and ultimately he shows up making more negative plays than he should. FYI Suh in his limited time as an Eagles got one less sack than Barnett did in his last full time as a starter for the Eagles. You looking for sacks and pressures? I think Carter and Smith will provide more than Barnett will. 

Because every year other than 2021 (which I’ve explained was an outlier) he has been on pace for 6/7 sacks over a 16 game season. 

I hope you are right about Carter and Smith. I’m an Eagles fan not a Barnett fan. I hope Carter dominates in the way his talent suggests. I hope we get 6-8 sacks from Smith. I hope Graham is still good in a limited role at 35. I hope everyone stays healthy.

But there are a lot of hopes there. I’m not throwing away a productive pass rusher for the sake of it. Barnett will rotate in with Sweat and move inside on occasions in pass rushing situations. I expect he will play 40-50% of snaps and I expect him to be productive.
 

 

16 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Do I have to do that now or can I wait until final cuts? But to start, how about Clowney or Melvin Ingram? 

Clowney is a head case and locker room problem who has had more than 3 sacks once in the past 4 years. 

I like Ingram but he’s 34 and had 8 total sacks in his last 3 years. He’s also more of an OLB than a traditional DE. 

Barnett is a better option than either.

 

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Because every year other than 2021 (which I’ve explained was an outlier) he has been on pace for 6/7 sacks over a 16 game season. 

I hope you are right about Carter and Smith. I’m an Eagles fan not a Barnett fan. I hope Carter dominates in the way his talent suggests. I hope we get 6-8 sacks from Smith. I hope Graham is still good in a limited role at 35. I hope everyone stays healthy.

But there are a lot of hopes there. I’m not throwing away a productive pass rusher for the sake of it. Barnett will rotate in with Sweat and move inside on occasions in pass rushing situations. I expect he will play 40-50% of snaps and I expect him to be productive.
 

 

But he’s not productive and I just pointed out to you his last two seasons were IR and 2 sacks. That isn’t averaging 6 bud. He’s only topped 6 once. Even if you don’t add his injury year his sack average is barely over 4 a season. He’s not even close 6/7 at all. Your viewpoint isn’t close to the reality of this player.

I’ll like Barnett if he commits a personal foul on Mariota in practice 

20 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

But he’s not productive and I just pointed out to you his last two seasons were IR and 2 sacks. That isn’t averaging 6 bud. He’s only topped 6 once. Even if you don’t add his injury year his sack average is barely over 4 a season. He’s not even close 6/7 at all. Your viewpoint isn’t close to the reality of this player.

An IR season doesn’t count and as I’ve pointed out to you, the 2 sack season was the year that the Eagles got short passed to death. The 3 years before that are better indicators of his expected output. I don’t believe he suddenly fell off a cliff at 25.

I expect him to play 40/50% of the snaps mostly at RDE, sometimes moving inside in obvious passing downs. I also expect him to get at least 6-7 sacks in this D if he stays healthy. 

You obviously disagree, so set out your prediction here and then we can see how it plays out. 
 

43 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

An IR season doesn’t count and as I’ve pointed out to you, the 2 sack season was the year that the Eagles got short passed to death. The 3 years before that are better indicators of his expected output. I don’t believe he suddenly fell off a cliff at 25.

I expect him to play 40/50% of the snaps mostly at RDE, sometimes moving inside in obvious passing downs. I also expect him to get at least 6-7 sacks in this D if he stays healthy. 

You obviously disagree, so set out your prediction here and then we can see how it plays out. 
 

I didn’t count the IR season, and he still averages 4.3 sacks a season. Nothing close to 6 or 7. Speaking of his IR season you shouldn’t assume he’s going to come back off injury even better than he was when he left it. Also like I have mentioned there are some better young players on this roster that likely will fill that void before Barnett. Funny thing about that 2 sack season was it was a contract year for him and that’s all he could accomplish? Even Milton Williams got two that year while playing a lot less than he did. 

45 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I didn’t count the IR season, and he still averages 4.3 sacks a season. Nothing close to 6 or 7. Speaking of his IR season you shouldn’t assume he’s going to come back off injury even better than he was when he left it. Also like I have mentioned there are some better young players on this roster that likely will fill that void before Barnett. Funny thing about that 2 sack season was it was a contract year for him and that’s all he could accomplish? Even Milton Williams got two that year while playing a lot less than he did. 

ManchesterEagle asked you for your prediction, not a repeat of your opinion of his prediction.

 

Through 2 preseason games, it's pretty clear the Eagles value Barnett high enough to take him out of the game pretty early. For a backup, rotational DE, that's pretty telling on their opinion of his value for this upcoming season. Last year, Barnett suffered an injury in the first game. Right now, he is completely healthy --- so that injury is now irrelevant to his play this season. If you want to worry about some old injury, don't let me stop you. You might want to worry about Hurts' shoulder too then. 

Derek Barnett has never had a truly great season in the NFL. He's had some solid seasons. But not every player in the NFL becomes the best version of himself early in their career. Some guys just keep working and eventually it all comes together later, rather than sooner. Brandon Graham was labeled a "bust" for his 1st 5 seasons and even after being moved to LB under Chip Kelly, his future was in doubt. Hargrave was just a solid player through his 1st 5 seasons. But he kept improving through his 7th season. 

So with Barnett, there's a portion of the fan base that wants to move on and then there are the coaches that see a player that is still capable of helping this team and they are protecting him and keeping him healthy for the start of the season. 

49 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

ManchesterEagle asked you for your prediction, not a repeat of your opinion of his prediction.

 

Through 2 preseason games, it's pretty clear the Eagles value Barnett high enough to take him out of the game pretty early. For a backup, rotational DE, that's pretty telling on their opinion of his value for this upcoming season. Last year, Barnett suffered an injury in the first game. Right now, he is completely healthy --- so that injury is now irrelevant to his play this season. If you want to worry about some old injury, don't let me stop you. You might want to worry about Hurts' shoulder too then. 

Derek Barnett has never had a truly great season in the NFL. He's had some solid seasons. But not every player in the NFL becomes the best version of himself early in their career. Some guys just keep working and eventually it all comes together later, rather than sooner. Brandon Graham was labeled a "bust" for his 1st 5 seasons and even after being moved to LB under Chip Kelly, his future was in doubt. Hargrave was just a solid player through his 1st 5 seasons. But he kept improving through his 7th season. 

So with Barnett, there's a portion of the fan base that wants to move on and then there are the coaches that see a player that is still capable of helping this team and they are protecting him and keeping him healthy for the start of the season. 

Well said. After Barnett’s 2 sack season that EE keeps harping on about, the Eagles gave him a pretty good contract. He was a team captain last night. They like him. 

Still waiting on EE’s prediction.
 

8 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Well said. After Barnett’s 2 sack season that EE keeps harping on about, the Eagles gave him a pretty good contract. He was a team captain last night. They like him. 

Still waiting on EE’s prediction.
 

He’s likely getting 30 tackles, 3 sacks, three late hit penalties, 3 roughing the passer penalties, a game losing penalty, and an endless amount of excuses from brkmsn telling us we are over reacting from his screwups. I don’t know what else you want me to answer. I’ve already told you I believe he’s an Eagle, but I don’t think he should be. Frankly he should have never been signed for what he originally got. The Eagles were bidding against themselves on that one. 

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

ManchesterEagle asked you for your prediction, not a repeat of your opinion of his prediction.

 

Through 2 preseason games, it's pretty clear the Eagles value Barnett high enough to take him out of the game pretty early. For a backup, rotational DE, that's pretty telling on their opinion of his value for this upcoming season. Last year, Barnett suffered an injury in the first game. Right now, he is completely healthy --- so that injury is now irrelevant to his play this season. If you want to worry about some old injury, don't let me stop you. You might want to worry about Hurts' shoulder too then. 

Derek Barnett has never had a truly great season in the NFL. He's had some solid seasons. But not every player in the NFL becomes the best version of himself early in their career. Some guys just keep working and eventually it all comes together later, rather than sooner. Brandon Graham was labeled a "bust" for his 1st 5 seasons and even after being moved to LB under Chip Kelly, his future was in doubt. Hargrave was just a solid player through his 1st 5 seasons. But he kept improving through his 7th season. 

So with Barnett, there's a portion of the fan base that wants to move on and then there are the coaches that see a player that is still capable of helping this team and they are protecting him and keeping him healthy for the start of the season. 

Graham is closer to a 6/7 sack guy than Barnett has ever been. Stop comparing this guy to everyone who is clearly better than him. How about he proves he’s even close to the players you constantly want to compare him with than doing it? Even when Graham wasn’t getting to the quarterback and was considered a "bust” he’s always been great against the run. Barnett has NOT DONE THAT. 

37 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

He’s likely getting 30 tackles, 3 sacks, three late hit penalties, 3 roughing the passer penalties, a game losing penalty, and an endless amount of excuses from brkmsn telling us we are over reacting from his screwups. I don’t know what else you want me to answer. I’ve already told you I believe he’s an Eagle, but I don’t think he should be. Frankly he should have never been signed for what he originally got. The Eagles were bidding against themselves on that one. 

Graham is closer to a 6/7 sack guy than Barnett has ever been. Stop comparing this guy to everyone who is clearly better than him. How about he proves he’s even close to the players you constantly want to compare him with than doing it? Even when Graham wasn’t getting to the quarterback and was considered a "bust” he’s always been great against the run. Barnett has NOT DONE THAT. 

Barnett has been very solid vs the run. You just refuse to believe it. Most edge pass rushers tend to be a bit of a liability against the run. As a pro, Barnett has never been a standout at any one aspect, but he's been a solid enough player against the run and the pass to get the option year of his rookie contract as well as that 2nd contract you hate so much. 

You'll sit here basing your prediction on Barnett's sack total on his statistical season average which, honestly is very reasonable, but in the same breath, you're predicting he will have 6 personal fouls in a single season (one in which you expect him to play much less snaps) even though his statistical average has been 2.2 per season (including playoffs) and that average does not include 2022 (since he missed virtually the whole season)

Explain to me why I can't compare Barnett to Graham. He started a lot of games on the same defense as Graham. Graham had 23.5 sacks in his first 6 seasons (80 games played) and Barnett had 21.5 (65 games played). Brandon Graham has only been voted to 1 Pro Bowl (2020) and most of his accolades come from PFF, a source you reject. I'll freakin' compare any player I want to any other player --- just like I compared Hurts' improvement to Josh Allen's and his circumstances to McNabb's --- Guess what else --- his Jersey number compares to Cam Newton and his draft position compares to Jaworski and Cunningham. 

When I see a person telling another that you can't compare a perceived "lesser player" to a perceived "greater player" in an argument, that tells me right there that person doesn't have valid rebuttal. Why shouldn't you compare everybody to the person setting the bar? It's asinine to suggest player comparisons are off limits. In the end, it doesn't really matter what I think or what you think --- it only matters what the Eagles think and what his teammates think. You already know what Howie thinks because he's responsible for the contracts. You already heard what Sirianni thinks.

 

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Barnett has been very solid vs the run. You just refuse to believe it. Most edge pass rushers tend to be a bit of a liability against the run. As a pro, Barnett has never been a standout at any one aspect, but he's been a solid enough player against the run and the pass to get the option year of his rookie contract as well as that 2nd contract you hate so much. 

You'll sit here basing your prediction on Barnett's sack total on his statistical season average which, honestly is very reasonable, but in the same breath, you're predicting he will have 6 personal fouls in a single season (one in which you expect him to play much less snaps) even though his statistical average has been 2.2 per season (including playoffs) and that average does not include 2022 (since he missed virtually the whole season)

Explain to me why I can't compare Barnett to Graham. He started a lot of games on the same defense as Graham. Graham had 23.5 sacks in his first 6 seasons (80 games played) and Barnett had 21.5 (65 games played). Brandon Graham has only been voted to 1 Pro Bowl (2020) and most of his accolades come from PFF, a source you reject. I'll freakin' compare any player I want to any other player --- just like I compared Hurts' improvement to Josh Allen's and his circumstances to McNabb's --- Guess what else --- his Jersey number compares to Cam Newton and his draft position compares to Jaworski and Cunningham. 

When I see a person telling another that you can't compare a perceived "lesser player" to a perceived "greater player" in an argument, that tells me right there that person doesn't have valid rebuttal. Why shouldn't you compare everybody to the person setting the bar? It's asinine to suggest player comparisons are off limits. In the end, it doesn't really matter what I think or what you think --- it only matters what the Eagles think and what his teammates think. You already know what Howie thinks because he's responsible for the contracts. You already heard what Sirianni thinks.

 

I have witnessed Barnett over pursue on multiple occasions and give up outside containment. Barnett is a backup player that you’re trying to turn into a superstar with your ridiculous comparisons. Just because the Eagles are keeping him too long doesn’t make it a good decision. They took Reagor over Jefferson and JJAW over Metcalf and frankly kept both of those mistakes too long especially JJAW. Barnett isn’t Graham, or Kelce, or Bosa. He’s just Derek Barnett and let’s end it there. 

8 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Barnett is a backup player that you’re trying to turn into a superstar with your ridiculous comparisons. 

This is proof that you either don't read are have very poor comprehension skills. I have repeatedly stated that Barnett has been "solid". I have also repeatedly said that he has not yet lived up to his draft position. So from that, you deduce that I have him as a "superstar." 

 

Players commit penalties. Some players that are considered "elite" get away things that lesser known players get called for. Even you know this to be true. So when you compare a penalty history of an average, unspectacular player to that of a hyped up "superstar" and see the "superstar" may even have more of those so-called "game-changing" penalties that are "dumb" or whatever else you want to call it, that tells you a lot. 

So you made an asinine prediction about Barnett's penalty contribution for 2023. I'll make mine: I think he'll have 2 Offside penalties (or equivalent) and 1 roughing the passer that will be a questionable call. I think he'll have 3-5 sacks and 4 TFLs, 1FF, and this is the year he gets an INT (off a tipped pass). There you go.

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

This is proof that you either don't read are have very poor comprehension skills. I have repeatedly stated that Barnett has been "solid". I have also repeatedly said that he has not yet lived up to his draft position. So from that, you deduce that I have him as a "superstar." 

 

Players commit penalties. Some players that are considered "elite" get away things that lesser known players get called for. Even you know this to be true. So when you compare a penalty history of an average, unspectacular player to that of a hyped up "superstar" and see the "superstar" may even have more of those so-called "game-changing" penalties that are "dumb" or whatever else you want to call it, that tells you a lot. 

So you made an asinine prediction about Barnett's penalty contribution for 2023. I'll make mine: I think he'll have 2 Offside penalties (or equivalent) and 1 roughing the passer that will be a questionable call. I think he'll have 3-5 sacks and 4 TFLs, 1FF, and this is the year he gets an INT (off a tipped pass). There you go.

You’re the guy comparing this guy to players who he’s not close to. Literal HOF level players yet you’re statistically comparing them like a crazy person. 🤣😂🤣

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

You’re the guy comparing this guy to players who he’s not close to. Literal HOF level players yet you’re statistically comparing them like a crazy person. 🤣😂🤣

Please define "comparing." 

Let's compare traffic lights. I'll compare a red light to a green light. Both are on the same structure. Both are round. Both are the same size. One means stop or stay put and the other means begin or continue. They are very similar but have completely opposite meanings. They can still be compared. 

 

Now, if your warped definition of "compare" means to "equate," then you need to prove that I was stating that the players are equal. Every player I use in "comparisons" is an example of something in particular. I asked you for your definition of a player that hurts more than he helps over the course of a season. Your reply was a player that gets a stupid penalty. I listed 3 examples of players that had a stupid penalty over the course of the season. That was not an attempt to equate Barnett to a player or a level of playing greatness, but to expose your pitiful definition that you provided. Either reword your definition to something that doesn't put every player in the game in the category of "hurts the team more than he helps" or double down and continue to prove your lack of fundamental comprehension skills. 

 

Not for nothing, but this is Josh Sweat’s growth as a pass rusher. There is a clear indication of improvement. If there’s anyone who we should expect at least seven sacks from it should be Sweat and not Barnett. 
2018: 0 sacks
2019: 4 sacks
2020: 6 sacks
2021: 7.5 sacks
2022: 11 sacks

So maybe let’s stop assuming a guy who when last played got only two sacks will be getting at least seven or even worse foolishly comparing Barnett to pro bowl players. 

16 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Please define "comparing." 

Let's compare traffic lights. I'll compare a red light to a green light. Both are on the same structure. Both are round. Both are the same size. One means stop or stay put and the other means begin or continue. They are very similar but have completely opposite meanings. They can still be compared. 

 

Now, if your warped definition of "compare" means to "equate," then you need to prove that I was stating that the players are equal. Every player I use in "comparisons" is an example of something in particular. I asked you for your definition of a player that hurts more than he helps over the course of a season. Your reply was a player that gets a stupid penalty. I listed 3 examples of players that had a stupid penalty over the course of the season. That was not an attempt to equate Barnett to a player or a level of playing greatness, but to expose your pitiful definition that you provided. Either reword your definition to something that doesn't put every player in the game in the category of "hurts the team more than he helps" or double down and continue to prove your lack of fundamental comprehension skills. 

 

I comprehend that only an idiot would dare try to compare Barnett and Kelce or Barnett and Bosa  in any way. Only a prideful idiot would try to keep defending that nonsense rather than just admitting they were wrong. Now enough writing about this backup.

58 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I comprehend

Clearly, you do not. I'll try to dumb things down for you from now on.

Dickerson and Mailata are really good. Nick Bosa had another great season. You said if a player had one dumb penalty during the season, they hurt their team more than they helped. Those 3 all had at least 1 dumb penalty last year. Did they hurt their teams more than they helped? Yes or no? BTW, this question has nothing to do with Barnett. Did any of those 3 players hurt their teams more than they helped?

 

 

Most likely EazyEagles replies to the above yes or no question:

1: Something, something, your bow JJAW...

2: Carson Wentz + bear + Gruden = unsignable in NFL

3: Watkins was responsible for an INT vs the giants in 2021 too! I saw it!!!

 

 

 

"Every time I see Josh Sweat take a rep, I’m telling you, I see 17 sacks. Sweat has increased his sack total every year of his career – none as a rookie in 2019, then 4.0, 6.0, 7.5 and 11 last year. Doesn’t mean he’s going to keep increasing forever, but I see a guy who has really figured things out, understands so well how to use his speed and first step and is bigger and stronger than he’s ever been. Sweat has looked better than ever at training camp, and he’s going to be surrounded by so many other d-line studs that if offenses don’t account for him, he’s going to make them pay. That’s a lot of sacks, but I really think he’s that good.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/roobs-10-eagles-observations-revealing-133823876.html

in short don’t worry about getting 7 sacks from 2 sacks Barnett. Sweat will be fine without his help.