2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

So far this season Barnett has not cost the Eagles with bad plays or bad penalties and that’s a compliment. Yeah he’s still basically mediocre, but mediocre is fine as long as he’s not taking stupid penalties. 

So far, through two games, we've had plenty of bad plays and a few bad penalties, but none of them have cost the Eagles a game. We are 2-0. You can tally up all the individual mistakes and we are still 2-0. 

20 hours ago, brkmsn said:

So far, through two games, we've had plenty of bad plays and a few bad penalties, but none of them have cost the Eagles a game. We are 2-0. You can tally up all the individual mistakes and we are still 2-0. 

For the record I’m not surprised the Eagles struggled in both of these games. New coordinators, new players in key roles, and two games in less than a week. With that being the case if they keep this up then they are going to look more like the year one Sirianni team (you know the one with the "it’s always him” comment) that got bounced in the first round of the playoffs than the one last year that made it to the Super Bowl. 

How much Barnett is playing in the 2 games this season, in term of snap counts.  Didn't see him out there much, nor did he make many plays.  He is still valuable to fill in here and there, or when someone is down on injury.  It would reach a point when moving him would bring more value to the team, IMHO.

8 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

How much Barnett is playing in the 2 games this season, in term of snap counts.  Didn't see him out there much, nor did he make many plays.  He is still valuable to fill in here and there, or when someone is down on injury.  It would reach a point when moving him would bring more value to the team, IMHO.

BG and Barnett’s snap counts have basically been about the same with BG having a slight edge. The mess up thing is Barnett is a whole lot younger, but is have much less of an impact than BG. They’re also moving Barnett around some when he does get to play so there isn’t much of an excuse for him having such a feeble impact. At least he’s not getting the stupid penalty that extends drives that could cost games. Perhaps that because he’s getting less than 25% of the snaps though. 

49 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

 having such a feeble impact.

 

6 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

 

Hmm you didn’t post the recent PFF ratings about the Eagles performances against the Eagles did you? 😂🤣😂

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Hmm you didn’t post the recent PFF ratings about the Eagles performances against the Eagles did you? 😂🤣😂

So you're into PFF now? Cool. I'll start using it again for our arguments. Barnett had a higher grade than Graham in week 1. Graham had the higher grade in week 2. Through 2 games, Graham has the overall higher grade. I also believe Graham is the better player and I never consider age when discussing performance. It's irrelevant. 

5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

So you're into PFF now? Cool. I'll start using it again for our arguments. Barnett had a higher grade than Graham in week 1. Graham had the higher grade in week 2. Through 2 games, Graham has the overall higher grade. I also believe Graham is the better player and I never consider age when discussing performance. It's irrelevant. 

Just noting how you the PFF guy omitted the PFF ranking that basically says Barnett was one of the worst ranked Eagles against the Vikings is all. Graham is definitely the better player here and there’s no argument from me on that. Ironically though most of @ManchesterEagle’s argument about keeping Barnett was due to Graham being old. Unfortunately the player who is being hurt most by Barnett snatching up snaps is Nolan Smith. The guy is barely getting time on the field. I don’t know maybe the Eagles might think his youth has something to do with it. Or maybe they’re trying to showcase Barnett to sucker some team into trading for him. Hard to do when even the PFF guys are giving him bad scores. 

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Just noting how you the PFF guy omitted the PFF ranking that basically says Barnett was one of the worst ranked Eagles against the Vikings is all. Graham is definitely the better player here and there’s no argument from me on that. Ironically though most of @ManchesterEagle’s argument about keeping Barnett was due to Graham being old. Unfortunately the player who is being hurt most by Barnett snatching up snaps is Nolan Smith. The guy is barely getting time on the field. I don’t know maybe the Eagles might think his youth has something to do with it. Or maybe they’re trying to showcase Barnett to sucker some team into trading for him. Hard to do when even the PFF guys are giving him bad scores. 

Barnett was one of our "top 10" in week 1. I didn't come in here to  "brag" about something that isn't really a big deal nor a concern (as you seem to believe). 

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Barnett was one of our "top 10" in week 1. I didn't come in here to  "brag" about something that isn't really a big deal nor a concern (as you seem to believe). 

He played less than 20 snaps. What would you be bragging about? 😂🤣😂

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

He played less than 20 snaps. What would you be bragging about? 😂🤣😂

I don't know ... what are you whining about?

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

I don't know ... what are you whining about?

I actually praised him by stating so far he hasn’t made any of his boneheaded penalties. Somehow that got you all hot and bothered. 😂🤣😂

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

I actually praised him by stating so far he hasn’t made any of his boneheaded penalties. Somehow that got you all hot and bothered. 😂🤣😂

Back-handed compliment mean so much. But since you insist on bringing it up, he's on pace for normal. He simply didn't have the amount of penalties you created in your fake history documentaries. 

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

Back-handed compliment mean so much. But since you insist on bringing it up, he's on pace for normal. He simply didn't have the amount of penalties you created in your fake history documentaries. 

It’s not about the amount of penalties. It’s about the timing of those penalties. Typical PFF type thought. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s not about the amount of penalties. It’s about the timing of those penalties. Typical PFF type thought. 

I've asked you repeatedly to show me a single penalty from Barnett that cost us a game we would have won, but there aren't any. No penalty is helpful unless a down is replayed with a better result. But your revisionist history keeps pretending his 5.4 penalties per season were devastating. In 2021 we had 9 TDs called back due to penalties on offense, but not one player gets ripped like Barnett. 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

I've asked you repeatedly to show me a single penalty from Barnett that cost us a game we would have won, but there aren't any. No penalty is helpful unless a down is replayed with a better result. But your revisionist history keeps pretending his 5.4 penalties per season were devastating. In 2021 we had 9 TDs called back due to penalties on offense, but not one player gets ripped like Barnett. 

Barnett has had multiple bad penalties that have extended drives for other teams. Some of those drives have led to points and the Eagles have lost some of those games. Now is there a game where Barnett made a stupid play on defense that directly cost the Eagles a game? Not that I can recall, but if there was a guy on the Eagles dumb enough to make that play Barnett and most people know that even if you don’t. 

By the way if anyone is still confused as to what a stupid penalty is then do yourself a favor and watch the Titans versus the Chargers and watch the 3rd quarter series that cost the Chargers the lead. You will see two stupid penalties on the same drive. 

On 9/16/2023 at 10:37 PM, EazyEaglez said:

Just noting how you the PFF guy omitted the PFF ranking that basically says Barnett was one of the worst ranked Eagles against the Vikings is all. Graham is definitely the better player here and there’s no argument from me on that. Ironically though most of @ManchesterEagle’s argument about keeping Barnett was due to Graham being old. Unfortunately the player who is being hurt most by Barnett snatching up snaps is Nolan Smith. The guy is barely getting time on the field. I don’t know maybe the Eagles might think his youth has something to do with it. Or maybe they’re trying to showcase Barnett to sucker some team into trading for him. Hard to do when even the PFF guys are giving him bad scores. 

No that wasn’t most of my argument. I said it was possible he could decline at 35, but also that there may be an injury or Smith might not be ready. DCs put their best players on the field, so Smith is currently not earning more time. The Eagles aren’t rotating their edge rushers as much as they usually do. 

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

No that wasn’t most of my argument. I said it was possible he could decline at 35, but also that there may be an injury or Smith might not be ready. DCs put their best players on the field, so Smith is currently not earning more time. The Eagles aren’t rotating their edge rushers as much as they usually do. 

Feels like Graham’s PT has dropped significantly. They’ve been using a lot of their DTs as rotational ends. Graham and Barnett are basically getting close to the same amount of snaps. To me it feels like they’re trying to maximize BG’s snaps in hopes to not wear him out, but Barnett isn’t always the guy who gets those spell minutes. Between the two of them they get around 50% of the snaps. 

16 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Feels like Graham’s PT has dropped significantly. They’ve been using a lot of their DTs as rotational ends. Graham and Barnett are basically getting close to the same amount of snaps. To me it feels like they’re trying to maximize BG’s snaps in hopes to not wear him out, but Barnett isn’t always the guy who gets those spell minutes. Between the two of them they get around 50% of the snaps. 

Yeah I expected all of Graham, Barnett and Smith to play more, particularly while Reddick is struggling with his injury.

Davis and Carter have both looked like studs. Let’s see if they can keep it up against better lines, but for now it looks we have our interior sorted for the next 4 years.
 

Barnett is a JAG now for us, wonder if he’s worth any trade bait? 

I know BG is now limited for snap but even seeing the mic’d up the other day, he’s still a massive personality in the locker room and the trash talking on the field. I’d rather have him than Barnett who is mr invisible these days 

3 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Yeah I expected all of Graham, Barnett and Smith to play more, particularly while Reddick is struggling with his injury.

Davis and Carter have both looked like studs. Let’s see if they can keep it up against better lines, but for now it looks we have our interior sorted for the next 4 years.
 

Graham in limited play still is maximizing his snaps for the most part. Perhaps they’re moving slow with Smith because of his injury, but I feel like once he’s healthy Barnett will be used less and him more. Barnett so far really hasn’t done much with his snaps. They are using him in multiple positions for now at least. 

8 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Graham in limited play still is maximizing his snaps for the most part. Perhaps they’re moving slow with Smith because of his injury, but I feel like once he’s healthy Barnett will be used less and him more. Barnett so far really hasn’t done much with his snaps. They are using him in multiple positions for now at least. 

Graham comes in at LDE, usually to spell Reddick. Smith comes in at SAM, usually to spell Reddick. Barnett comes in at RDE, usually to spell Sweat. On a couple occasions, Smith will come in at SAM and Reddick will stay in the game and line up on the right side. 

It's very early in the season and they're really trying to find out what works and create so many different fronts. I really don't see how a person can say Graham is making the most of his snaps and try to spin that Barnett isn't. Often, when either is in, the play goes to the other side. Both have had some good plays and both have had some plays where the blockers completely neutralized them. It's reasonable to expect both guys to have more "wins" if they played more snaps. But they both give really good effort when they are in and there's no reason to try to spin this one way or the other. As we inch closer to the trade deadline, as long as our starters remain healthy on the line, we may be able to trade someone like Barnett. Personally, I think he's a better fit for a 4-3 defense than our hybrid system --- which seems to play less and less 4-3. 

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Graham comes in at LDE, usually to spell Reddick. Smith comes in at SAM, usually to spell Reddick. Barnett comes in at RDE, usually to spell Sweat. On a couple occasions, Smith will come in at SAM and Reddick will stay in the game and line up on the right side. 

It's very early in the season and they're really trying to find out what works and create so many different fronts. I really don't see how a person can say Graham is making the most of his snaps and try to spin that Barnett isn't. Often, when either is in, the play goes to the other side. Both have had some good plays and both have had some plays where the blockers completely neutralized them. It's reasonable to expect both guys to have more "wins" if they played more snaps. But they both give really good effort when they are in and there's no reason to try to spin this one way or the other. As we inch closer to the trade deadline, as long as our starters remain healthy on the line, we may be able to trade someone like Barnett. Personally, I think he's a better fit for a 4-3 defense than our hybrid system --- which seems to play less and less 4-3. 

" I really don't see how a person can say Graham is making the most of his snaps…”

Arent you the same guy who posted Morrow’s PFF rating from one game to justify that the Eagles have the linebacker situation under control? When I look at Graham I feel like he gets more push. I don’t see that as much from Barnett. Frankly if the Eagles thought higher of Barnett he probably gets more playing time. The real question is how does me saying I’ve seen more out of Graham than Barnett so far gets you bent out of shape when someone else here wrote he’s a JAG?