2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Off the wall moneyball marginal value question...

1,458 regular season innings.  A trip through the WS gets you around 162 playoff innings.

You've got stretched out big money starters who are hard to come by...and who are Tommy John magnets with their high innings.  Then you've got stretched out inning eater starters that aren't even used in the playoffs because they are too hittable.  Then you've got your rocked up 3 out relievers...who often get thrown off by being asked to get 6 outs in the playoffs.

If I were a small market cash poor team with nothing to lose, I'd mold my pitchers into guys with good stuff who throw 2-3 innings per outing and cycle on 3 days rest.  Maybe it's worse for wear and tear on the arm, maybe it's better.  All bullpen games, all the time.  13 pitchers on a postseason roster gives you an interesting arsenal of fresh arms for every game.

Saves money, protects you from Tommy John and huge SP investments...but should always get someone on the mound with grade A stuff who hitters haven't really honed in on.  With the money saved on big starters, you could easily compile a who's who of top bullpen arms around the league.

I thought Tampa was tinkering with this? 

If they won’t fire the manager at least fire the hitting coach.  Our hitters look like amateurs swinging at total crap all game and never adjusting.

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

If they won’t fire the manager at least fire the hitting coach.  Our hitters look like amateurs swinging at total crap all game and never adjusting.

Third base coach sucks

How does Brady Quinn have an NFL job that does not involve cleaning stadium toilets?

4-16 with a 66 career rating and he dares to talk about real QBs. 🤣

4 wins, 11 million, and he called another player out on their money?  A player with a throwing arm injury and a head injury?

He's stealing from whatever network is foolish enough to be paying him.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

We can move on to the Eagles but I’m going to make a bold prediction about the Phillies first: 

 

One of: Ohtani or Mike Trout will be on the Philadelphia Phillies in 2024.   You heard it here first folks! 

First I want no part of Mike Trout. Mike Trout is perpetually hurt now and has a long contract that’s gonna age poorly. If this was Mike Trout four years ago that you would do. But the guy can’t stay healthy anymore, has a long term injury issue and his contract is gonna be a hindrance to what they can do in the future.

As for Ohtani, they don’t have anywhere to put him. Can’t play outfield cause you have marsh, Rojas, schwarber and castellanos. Not gonna put him at first as it’s harper or hoskins (if brought back). Can’t DH him as it’s schwarber.

only way i see them getting Ohtani is if they deal away castellanos. But even so he isn’t playing outfield next year after TJ so schwarber is forced too.

i think you are likely getting nola/another starter via trade, hoskins back on a 1 year deal and 2 bullpen arms. 

The Eagles are atop the NFC and just came off a statement win against an AFC team a lot of people picked to be in the super bowl. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

We can move on to the Eagles but I’m going to make a bold prediction about the Phillies first: 

 

One of: Ohtani or Mike Trout will be on the Philadelphia Phillies in 2024.   You heard it here first folks! 

Sign me up for Trout.  Ohtani is going to go to the team that pays him to pitch.  As exceptional as Ohtani is, there have been some surprisingly comparable American prospects over the years...and there is a reason they all get funneled into pure pitchers or position players.  There is a reason the first dual threat player in 100 years had to come out of Japan and not USA or Latin America, which have more conventional wisdom.  And we are seeing it play out with Ohtani's career.

But someone is going to pay for him to do both and it will be a bad investment.  

Trout?  He gets hurt just jogging out to center, but they don't need him to start 150+ games and hit .300/45.  They need him in the playoffs.  So I'd go full load management there.

Funny… in pro sports… 

Winning = Players celebrated 

Losing = Coach/Manager’s fault. Players often get at least a slight pass or more. 

 

10 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

Ok I wasn't sure who JH was.

From now on EMB, when we refer to Joselio Hanson it's simply JH.

Javo....

Yes, Hanson.

3 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

How does Brady Quinn have an NFL job that does not involve cleaning stadium toilets?

4-16 with a 66 career rating and he dares to talk about real QBs. 🤣

4 wins, 11 million, and he called another player out on their money?  A player with a throwing arm injury and a head injury?

He's stealing from whatever network is foolish enough to be paying him.

He is brutally stupid. Awful On nfl radio in the past too

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

Funny… in pro sports… 

Winning = Players celebrated 

Losing = Coach/Manager’s fault. Players often get at least a slight pass or more. 

 

Just because the hitters were total ass doesn’t mean the manager did a good job.  And he’s easier to get rid of.  Dude is a robot managing by his plan and never deviates based on how things are unfolding.  Which inevitably leads to close losses and chokes when it matters.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Should’ve changed the lineup. However I’m not sure doing that even changes the outcome here. Castellanos going 1-24 on the series is a massive issue. Turner and harper combining to go 0-15 the last two games. Turner was 1 for his last 18. Rojas was nearly an automatic out every at bat. Somehow stott and bohm were the two best hitters in game 6 and 7. They went 3-7 and 2-8. Tells you everything about their hitters by the end. 

this is more castellanos reverted back to July and 2022. Turner reverted back to pre-ovation Turner. Harper after game 5 actually had some good pitches and missed. Realmuto was actually their best hitter. Stott and bohm really have no business hitting 4 and 5 though. That’s not where they excel at. 

Would have been nice to have Rhys take that at bat with the bases loaded.   

 

And thinking of next year... I think I trade Castellanos and resign Rhys.  You have some flexibility with Harper.  He might be able to play RF again... or DH and 1B.  Same with Schwarber in LF or DH... Rhys can play 1B and DH.  Rhys in the lineup means seeing pitches.

Lineup would shuffle a bit too.  Turner 1, Stott 2, Rhys 3, Harper 4, Bohm 5, Schwarber 6, JT 7, Marsh 8 and Rojas 9.  That keeps the precious R/L splits... and gets more speed at the top, patience for steals next with power behind that.

Rojas needs to get to work on bunting and extending the lineup by getting on or moving runners and giving Turner RBI opportunities.  I don't want to see him striking out with less than 2 outs.... ever.  I want him putting pressure on teams to make the defensive plays... even in the 9 hole.

10 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Some of yall need to calm down. Maybe dont drink so heavy on a tuesday

They caused me to not drink at all. That's the problem lol

13 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Amen. It’s the middle of the Eagles season. Baseball is boring anyway

No one stopped you.

3 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

How does Brady Quinn have an NFL job that does not involve cleaning stadium toilets?

4-16 with a 66 career rating and he dares to talk about real QBs. 🤣

4 wins, 11 million, and he called another player out on their money?  A player with a throwing arm injury and a head injury?

He's stealing from whatever network is foolish enough to be paying him.

I actually think he’s very good as an analyst. 

Ohtani is not coming to Philly.

He's a brand and that brand needs West Coast (Dodgers or SF) or NY, maybe Boston if not those 4.

If he wanted to come here, Rojas becomes a 4th outfielder and a late innings defensive replacement. He's just Rojas.

6 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I thought Tampa was tinkering with this? 

No idea, but they are about as effective as it gets at winning more with less.

I just seems like playoffs feature garbage inning eaters who usually get you 5-6 innings per regular season start giving you 2 in the playoffs.  And then you get quality relievers who are strictly 3 out guys in the regular season getting stretched out to 6 in the playoffs.

6-9 out, 3 day rest pitchers in waves selected amongst the best relievers in MLB.  It may feel that you can end up getting screwed if someone gets knocked out short of that, but it's actually less costly then when it happens to a traditional starter...then you lose 5 innings.  You only lose 1-2 when these guys don't last.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

No idea, but they are about as effective as it gets at winning more with less.

I just seems like playoffs feature garbage inning eaters who usually get you 5-6 innings per regular season start giving you 2 in the playoffs.  And then you get quality relievers who are strictly 3 out guys in the regular season getting stretched out to 6 in the playoffs.

6-9 out, 3 day rest pitchers in waves selected amongst the best relievers in MLB.  It may feel that you can end up getting screwed if someone gets knocked out short of that, but it's actually less costly then when it happens to a traditional starter...then you lose 5 innings.  You only lose 1-2 when these guys don't last.

I know at one point they had what’s called an "opener” pitch 2-3 innings. Honestly, I haven’t followed a ton of baseball in recent years but know that was a thing since they play in Baltimore’s division. 

It’s a good idea. I think the toughest part of doing that would be getting your pitching staff to buy in. Maybe not though 

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I know at one point they had what’s called an "opener” pitch 2-3 innings. Honestly, I haven’t followed a ton of baseball in recent years but know that was a thing since they play in Baltimore’s division. 

It’s a good idea. I think the toughest part of doing that would be getting your pitching staff to buy in. Maybe not though 

Just like moneyball, you have to go after flawed pitchers.  Starters with good stuff that struggle later in games, recently failed starters looking at a move to the pen because their 3rd pitch is unreliable, etc.

For the last 50 years, the best blueprint for winning championships has been starting pitching.  But starting pitchers are throwing less innings (I don't have the numbers on it, but I have to imagine it is dramatic), having shorter primes, and getting more TJ than ever.  It just feels like a tough investment.

Wheeler and Nola were awesome in the playoffs for us, but that's also why I bring it up.  Wheeler is 33.  Nola may leave.  The days of a Halladay/Lee/Hammels/Oswolt rotation are gone.  The damn Braves had no one to pitch after game 2.

 

12 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Ohtani is not coming to Philly.

He's a brand and that brand needs West Coast (Dodgers or SF) or NY, maybe Boston if not those 4.

If he wanted to come here, Rojas becomes a 4th outfielder and a late innings defensive replacement. He's just Rojas.

My gut says there’s a slight chance he’d be interested in playing for the Phillies. I don’t know his personality but what ball player wouldn’t consider it after watching their home playoff games.

Dodgers have to be clear cut favorites though. 

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Would have been nice to have Rhys take that at bat with the bases loaded.   

 

And thinking of next year... I think I trade Castellanos and resign Rhys.  You have some flexibility with Harper.  He might be able to play RF again... or DH and 1B.  Same with Schwarber in LF or DH... Rhys can play 1B and DH.  Rhys in the lineup means seeing pitches.

Lineup would shuffle a bit too.  Turner 1, Stott 2, Rhys 3, Harper 4, Bohm 5, Schwarber 6, JT 7, Marsh 8 and Rojas 9.  That keeps the precious R/L splits... and gets more speed at the top, patience for steals next with power behind that.

Rojas needs to get to work on bunting and extending the lineup by getting on or moving runners and giving Turner RBI opportunities.  I don't want to see him striking out with less than 2 outs.... ever.  I want him putting pressure on teams to make the defensive plays... even in the 9 hole.

Yeah have a feeling castellanos is the guy that’s going to be moved. He has value to another team even if his last series was awful. 3 years left on the contract at $20 mil per is a nice contract for another team that needs a nice complimentary hitter. Need to play marsh and Rojas more. Harper played first really well so i don’t know if they want him back in the outfield.

They really need a clean up hitter behind harper. Whether that’s Rhys or not who knows. Frankly, I really don’t think rhys is a great cleanup hitter. I think he is better off being your five hole hitter or 2 hole.

The issue also means they’re gonna play a Schwarber at lead off. Because of the success they have. The problem is you’re not maximizing Kyle Schwarber's power at lead off. With guys like Turner and Harper who have a high OBP, he has a chance for a 2-3 run shot instead of usually solo. 

Tend to think the offseason plan is deal castellanos for bullpen piece and a bench piece. Bring back hoskins and nola. Make a signing like a relief pitcher like hicks in FA. Then add a right handed and left handed bench piece. 

24 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Off the wall moneyball marginal value question...

1,458 regular season innings.  A trip through the WS gets you around 162 playoff innings.

You've got stretched out big money starters who are hard to come by...and who are Tommy John magnets with their high innings.  Then you've got stretched out inning eater starters that aren't even used in the playoffs because they are too hittable.  Then you've got your rocked up 3 out relievers...who often get thrown off by being asked to get 6 outs in the playoffs.

If I were a small market cash poor team with nothing to lose, I'd mold my pitchers into guys with good stuff who throw 2-3 innings per outing and cycle on 3 days rest.  Maybe it's worse for wear and tear on the arm, maybe it's better.  All bullpen games, all the time.  13 pitchers on a postseason roster gives you an interesting arsenal of fresh arms for every game.

Saves money, protects you from Tommy John and huge SP investments...but should always get someone on the mound with grade A stuff who hitters haven't really honed in on.  With the money saved on big starters, you could easily compile a who's who of top bullpen arms around the league.

Theo Epstein was on Ryen Russillo’s podcast a little while ago talking about something similar to this. He mentioned that they’ll most likely decrease the amount of pitchers you’re allowed to have in a bullpen to counter this strategy. 

22 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I actually think he’s very good as an analyst. 

His Brock Purdy licking is looking awesome right now.

He does not just support Purdy. He resorted to general name calling (stupid) about anyone in the media who did not love Purdy the way Brady Quinn loves Purdy.

He included Tua in that, but he's Purdy's biggest fan boi.

46 minutes ago, jwmiii said:

Bases loaded, Rojas at bat. I like the kid, but still…

Poor guy. He didn't have a chance. Fast though. Can he play the slot?

It all starts in the winter. They had a really bad offseason. If next season is to be any different they need to make some impact moves. I haven't looked at the free agent list yet or who may be available in trade, so we can do offseason plans in the coming weeks, but they signed a has-been reliever in Kimbrel, blew a wad of money on Walker who isn't even good enough to throw one postseason pitch and then did the Turner move and that was pretty much it. Strahm was another move I guess. Not good enough. Dombrowski needs to do better and Middleton needs to open that checkbook,.