2 underrated team stabilizers coming back after bye week in Roby and Jurgens. Team super banged up lately. Bye week coming at a perfect time for Hurts, Lane Johnson, Devante, Jordan Davis. And Ghost, Slay and Bradberry are playing hurt and prolly a step slow. If there was ever a bye week at the perfect time it is now. Quez Watkins coming  back may help as well with taking the top off the dee. Albert O has 2 weeks prep time to have a package for him in this offense with Goedert prolly out. A lot of new players will have time to learn playbook as well. Have faith Sirianni will do a lot of self reflection here on both sides of the ball and clean up some of the bad calls. Think he will figure out key adjustments to be made. Nobody predicted we'd be 8-1 a few weeks ago especially after Jets and Lane Johnson game. In a great spot. 13-4/14-3 record in the offing and HFA. Like it!

 

Steen played well enough today but this team really needs Jurgens back to be dominate in thr run game. At their best, their identity is time of position and physical domination in the run game. Mix in AJ and Devonte down the field and they control the game that way.  

More than anything, the main strength of this time is to find a way to win despite their inferior coordinators and lack of personnel/injuries in the secondary.  That isn't to be discounted.  In years past they might have lost these close games but guys step up at the right moment to get the W.  That is really something to be proud of and I am.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How do you regulate that though?

The same way they regulate roughing the passer. Just make it up as you go.

Is there a reason why we can’t run for ish against anyone now? Swift with 2.4 YPC with 18 rushes against a bad run defense is wild 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How do you regulate that though?

By using your eyes. It’s a pretty straightforward scenario. Underthrown ball and receiver comes back into the DB initiating contact. 

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

TE is entering Howie’s draft consciousness.  While 12 personnel has mercifully retreated into a situational package, this franchise has an emphasis on 2 quality TEs.  They have a remarkable, nearly uninterrupted continuous history of overlap between past and present "franchise” TEs.  Chad Lewis and LJ Smith.  Smith and Celek.  Celek and Ertz.  Ertz and Goedert.

I bet Goedert is rapidly approaching the age his predecessors were when part 2 was drafted….if he hasn’t passed it already.

Agreed on all points... except LJ Smith.  He was merely a gigantic mistake by Andy Reid.   Still can't believe they passed on Witten to draft Smith. 

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Goedert is fine he’s not going on IR. Not sure what’s up with the negative Nancy today sheesh.

This hasn’t been reported anywhere so care to share your source?

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If you wanted to you could forget about all of the crazy and or frustrating happenings in this game and boil it down to two coaching decisions.

Nick going for the 4th downs on the opening drive rather than settling for a FG. We likely lose that game with a FG there.

Dallas not going for the 4th down. Punting that one time, when they likely convert 3 yards for a 1st down. Old school coaches making old school decisions loses games against good teams.

 

Three decisions... going for it on 4th down TWICE on that opening drive.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How do you regulate that though?

Rather than a first down and spot foul, maybe any PI called for contact on a receiver coming back to the football when the defender is between the ball and receiver is a replay of down and 5 yard penalty.  At least cut down on the magnitude of it.

I wish there were more angles so we could really see his arm rather than guessing what happened underneath the dallas player. Maybe a reason for that if it was really ugly and they chose not to show it. 

But the trainers had him pronate and supinate on the field and he was able to turn that hand over both ways. It didnt seem to dangle like connor mcgregors leg, like a forearm would if you snapped the radius AND ulna. They also would have brought out the vacuum splints for such an injury and he probably rides off in a cart to an ambulance and heads directly for the hospital for surgery tonight.

So Im thinking worst case scenario he broke just one bone in there and misses 4 weeks. The injury was not managed like something more severe than that.

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed on all points... except LJ Smith.  He was merely a gigantic mistake by Andy Reid.   Still can't believe they passed on Witten to draft Smith. 

He may have been a disappointment, but the approach to the position still applies.  

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

This hasn’t been reported anywhere so care to share your source?

It’s his shtick of pretending to be an insider for reasons 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol. Sure it did. 

It resonated because they were trying to make the most mistakes, but Dallas really beat them to it once they got to 1st and goal at the 6 with 26 seconds left.

4 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

The same way they regulate roughing the passer. Just make it up as you go.

That doesn't seem like a solution that would help the situation.

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

By using your eyes. It’s a pretty straightforward scenario. Underthrown ball and receiver comes back into the DB initiating contact. 

It needs to be codified though.  So, the rule is that the WR is the one initiating contact?   And would it be a situation where the DB maintains their direction of motion, meanwhile the WR is the one changing their direction?

I’d like to see a Reddick extension during the bye week. He’s earned it. 

Aside to boiling it down to coaching decisions on 4th down, if there was one play you could single out that determined the result of the game, it would probably have to be Dak stepping out of bounds on the 2 point try. IF he makes that, Dallas only needs a FG to tie rather than being down 5. Obviously they got in range for an easy one. 

Now, maybe our offense is able to turn it back on for an over time drive when the playbook opens back up rather than playing not to lose. BUT, can the D be trusted if we dont get the ball first or dont score? Good chance dallas ties it in regulation and goes on to win.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I wish there were more angles so we could really see his arm rather than guessing what happened underneath the dallas player. Maybe a reason for that if it was really ugly and they chose not to show it. 

But the trainers had him pronate and supinate on the field and he was able to turn that hand over both ways. It didnt seem to dangle like connor mcgregors leg, like a forearm would if you snapped the radius AND ulna. They also would have brought out the vacuum splints for such an injury and he probably rides off in a cart to an ambulance and heads directly for the hospital for surgery tonight.

So Im thinking worst case scenario he broke just one bone in there and misses 4 weeks. The injury was not managed like something more severe than that.

 

What about a spiral fracture?  Is that still that timeline?

 

 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It needs to be codified though.  So, the rule is that the WR is the one initiating contact?   And would it be a situation where the DB maintains their direction of motion, meanwhile the WR is the one changing their direction?

Sudden stop of forward momentum, coming back torwards an underthrown ball, trying to go through the defender. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He may have been a disappointment, but the approach to the position still applies.  

I still have animus towards him because of SB XXXIX.  

I wish we had an under center passing game. Without it, an immobile Hurts means it's hard to run the ball since the edge defender never respects the keep.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Aside to boiling it down to coaching decisions on 4th down, if there was one play you could single out that determined the result of the game, it would probably have to be Dak stepping out of bounds on the 2 point try. IF he makes that, Dallas only needs a FG to tie rather than being down 5. Obviously they got in range for an easy one. 

Now, maybe our offense is able to turn it back on for an over time drive when the playbook opens back up rather than playing not to lose. BUT, can the D be trusted if we dont get the ball first or dont score? Good chance dallas ties it in regulation and goes on to win.

They'd have been playing to score at that point though, because Dallas kicks the FG to tie on the possession where they were stopped on 4th down in FG range before the Swift fumble by running into Brown.  

So, the offense would need to move the ball, milk the clock all the way down and we win the game on the foot of Jake Elliott.

While I am digging to be critical…

In 2023, offenses dictate matchups.  So holes on defense are more obvious.  But we really only have 10 good players to put on the field for our base offense.

OZ ain’t it.  Julio had a nice catch last week, but he’s essentially a stationary target in traffic.  He still looks the part in pads, but he’s not doing much.  
 

You still have to cover these guys.  But pretty much all the 11th starter on this offense does is absorb some coverage.  

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

What about a spiral fracture?  Is that still that timeline?

I dont think there was a torsional mechanism there so I dont see that as a likely scenario at all.

However, in the arm, I think its likely still the same timeline.

In a leg, thats an unstable fracture in a weight bearing bone so you have to operate to fix it or else its likely to shift and not heal.

Arm is non weight bearing in a cast so it could theoretically heal like any other fracture.