3 minutes ago, B3 said:

Looks that way. And the question is ‘whyyyy???’  They certainly aren’t lookers. 😂

3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I keep seeing NCB being referenced as a factor but Maddox only played 9 games for us last year when we had the league's best pass defense. I think S and LB play are bigger factors, to be honest.

Teams abused Scott while Maddox was out.  

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I grabbed these two screenshots from the replay.  One just before stepping out and one just as he was stepping out.  It is pretty clear from them that BG was barely touching, if touching him at all.  However, the pressure from BG was clearly causingf Dak to modify his route to the end zone.

Whether or not he actually touched Dak forceably or not, this clearly indicates that his presence is why Dak took the route he did.  If he turned up field sooner, he runs into the path for BG to be able to forceably escort him OOB.   Graham made a great play here...  Dak did not.  His awareness on his feet was very poor.  A little more awareness by him, and he likely can keep his foot on the green and still make that dive for the pylon.   

 

BUT... not surprising from him or Dallas.  They've never been good in late game situational awareness... like the QB draw to end the game or the crazy formation with Zeke at center to end the game.  Or even the crazy fire drill play on 2nd down in this game after Sweat sacks Dak.  They needed to spike the ball and get situated for 2 good plays.   Instead, they wasted time on 2nd down on a play that essentially had no chance.  Giving themselves only one realistic chance left from outside the 20 to score a TD, because there were only 5 seconds left.   Either way, they get two plays... but the way they decided to run it... they only had one legit play and by then, there was almost no shot because of how far out they were.   Had they spiked it on 2nd down, they could have tried a play to move it closer on 3rd down, making the 4th down last chance play a much higher percentage.

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Consequence of a really stout run defense and a really porous pass defense.

"really porous" is a generous characterization.

We get to have the best record in football for another two weeks.  

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Teams abused Scott while Maddox was out.  

And yet, we still had the league's top pass defense despite that abuse for almost half the season. NCB is like 3rd or 4th on the list of reasons for why we went from first to worst in defending the pass.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

There is absolutely no chance he'll get suspended for that tackle. It's in the open field on a TE who initiates contact. Maybe, MAYBE, the competition committee looks at this in the offseason but as of right now, it's a perfectly legal tackle. This is a crazy take.

It's not a crazy take.

I didn't say the league will suspend him, the league doesn't care one iotta about a TE getting hurt in an MMA arm bar.

They just don't, they don't care about player safety or even QB safety, they protect qbs ti the nth degree because QBs are the money makers faces if the league 

If a DB arm barred mahommes and broke his arm the league would call for an investigation ban the defender for life and put in a new rule that defenders aren't allowed to touch QBs arms, which I'm surprised hasn't already happened 

I mean these are the same guys that claim the tush push should be banned for player safety then turn a blind eye to a defender arm barring a guy.

It was a dirty play and just because the league will never penalize it dues t mean they shouldn't or couldn't 

Just now, Utebird said:

It was a dirty play and just because the league will never penalize it dues t mean they shouldn't or couldn't 

It wasn't and they shouldn't.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

And yet, we still had the league's top pass defense despite that abuse for almost half the season. NCB is like 3rd or 4th on the list of reasons for why we went from first to worst in defending the pass.

We also had an epic number of sacks.  Whatever.  The fact that we need two hands to count the reasons is telling enough.

 

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

We also had an epic number of sacks.  Whatever.  The fact that we need two hands to count the reasons is telling enough.

 

Correct, you could point to DL play, LB play, S play, DC scheme / gameplanning / playcalling, etc. NCB is behind all of them, imo.

3 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I think they need to give Nolan some more T-E games, he’s not getting his hands up and good tackles are getting into his body. I’m not sure if it is a run responsibility thing or he’s slightly late off the snap but he isn’t running the circle either. Perhaps if he spies he can take a blocker out the play and cut down the Mahomes scrambles as you suggest.

I don't think it is just Nolan who has a long way to go in improving their use of their hands.  All the young D-Linemen have that issue.  I believe that is why they are getting pressures rather than sacks on a lot of snaps.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

"really porous" is a generous characterization.

🤷‍♂️. Call it whatever you'd like.   ESP was talking about how they are 14th in the league in Yards per attempt... so that makes them 'average'.   Of course, what that really means is that teams have to dink and dunk down the field... and have been VERY successful at that very thing.   29th in passing yards per game allowed... and 31st in passing yards allowed in the last 3.

Eagles are 20th in the league in completion pct against (66.57%), but are 29th (71.09%) in the last three.   Most interestingly to me... the vaunted SF defense is 30th (72.97%)in the last 3 in completion percentage against and 21st (67.95%) on the season.   

 

 

Most concerning to me... 4th quarter points... Eagles are 28th in 4th quarter points allowed per game (7.8)... but only 12th in offensive scoring 6.7 points per 4th quarter.  I don't like having a negative point differential in the 4th quarter.

This is good, right?

Three things affecting this offensive line and overall offense currently. In order:

1) Cam Jurgens injury. His sheer athleticism and ability to pull and to get in the second and third level is elite. If he's this good there I have thoughts of keeping him there. And draft another  center. Ha. Still early though on that assessment and his durability. He makes Lane Johnson's job easier, who is not near 100%. While Opeta made it harder as he's more stiff.

2) Lane Johnson playing hurt. Hopefully he comes back fresh from bye week.

3) Jalen Hurts injury and not being able to be a triple threat as a runner/scrambler, (Very little RPO's or designed runs) changes how defenses approach us. Like him in the pocket of course, but having that option negated, hurts some from a predictability and play calling standpoint.

Think we rebound here just with improved health and become dominant again. Last year's experience in not having Goedert will help here. Like to see Albert O/Grant C make some plays and not be invisible and actually implemented with designed plays. Julio Jones signing now looms larger. And will take Watkins back if healthy. We are good with 2 weeks here to adjust now.

 

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It wasn't and they shouldn't.

Ummm ...

I'll see your post and raise you a,it was and they won't 

2 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Three things affecting this offensive line and overall offense currently. In order:

1) Cam Jurgens injury. His sheer athleticism and ability to pull and to get in the second and third level is elite. If he's this good there I have thoughts of keeping him there. And draft another  center. Ha. Still early though on that assessment and his durability. He makes Lane Johnson's job easier, who is not near 100%. While Opeta made it harder as he's more stiff.

2) Lane Johnson playing hurt. Hopefully he comes back fresh from bye week.

3) Jalen Hurts injury and not being able to be a triple threat as a runner/scrambler, (Very little RPO's or designed runs) changes how defenses approach us. Like him in the pocket of course, but having that option negated, hurts some from a predictability and play calling standpoint.

Think we rebound here just with improved health and become dominant again. Last year's experience in not having Goedert will help here. Like to see Albert O/Grant C make some plays and not be invisible and actually implemented with designed plays. Julio Jones signing now looms larger. And will take Watkins back if healthy. We are good with 2 weeks here to adjust now.

 

I think Hurts' injury has been a blessing in disguise. He's playing much better as a QB since he's had to rely on his arm more. Also, I hate to see him taking hits out of the pocket.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Correct, you could point to DL play, LB play, S play, DC scheme / gameplanning / playcalling, etc. NCB is behind all of them, imo.

I disagree on the DC.  From what I've read and heard, Desai is using a lot more different coverages and pressures than Gannon.  It's hard to be successful with the likes of Edmunds, Garner, Goodrich, etc. on the field.

23 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I think Hurts' injury has been a blessing in disguise. He's playing much better as a QB since he's had to rely on his arm more. Also, I hate to see him taking hits out of the pocket.

It is. But not being able run much or be elusive for key 1st downs still makes defenses stay less honest upon what play is coming. It is what's makes him dynamic. I believe that last hit to knee happened while he was in the pocket. I think it's a little overblown how he could get injured while running out of pocket. Just a matter of playing smart with that and less designed runs where hes not trying to play like a RB taking unnecessary hits. There's a fine balance he will ultimately reach.

11 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

This is good, right?

Would like to see Smitty higher but he's not been awful, just disappointing, he's had a bunch of uncharacteristic drops this year 

Being a new baby dad is tough ,🤷‍♂️

Lol. Sorry, JR. I will keep complaining about how **** our LBs are in coverage. Cunningham has no business being out there on clear passing downs. 

Yeah, LBs in general suck in coverage, but they don’t have to be this bad either. 

21 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

And yet, we still had the league's top pass defense despite that abuse for almost half the season. NCB is like 3rd or 4th on the list of reasons for why we went from first to worst in defending the pass.

There was a very noticeable dropoff in pass coverage when CGJ went out last year both times so seeing them struggle with the carousel (and overall less talent) in the backfield isn't very surprising.

It's kind of a tale of two defenses. Last year we had really bad run defense, especially with JD's injury before we signed both the FAs. It was easy to run on us. Now this year teams can barely run on us so teams go passing heavy and we don't really have the ability to dissuade them. The middle of the field is open all day.

Maybe we'll get some continuity after the Bye with Byard learning the defense and Roby returning. If they're struggling this much afterwards I'll be very concerned.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

BUT... not surprising from him or Dallas.  They've never been good in late game situational awareness... like the QB draw to end the game or the crazy formation with Zeke at center to end the game.  Or even the crazy fire drill play on 2nd down in this game after Sweat sacks Dak.  They needed to spike the ball and get situated for 2 good plays.   Instead, they wasted time on 2nd down on a play that essentially had no chance.  Giving themselves only one realistic chance left from outside the 20 to score a TD, because there were only 5 seconds left.   Either way, they get two plays... but the way they decided to run it... they only had one legit play and by then, there was almost no shot because of how far out they were.   Had they spiked it on 2nd down, they could have tried a play to move it closer on 3rd down, making the 4th down last chance play a much higher percentage.

I'm going to disagree with you on both of those takes. It obviously blew up spectacularly, but the idea of using Zeke to snap the ball made a lot of sense to me. You're already in a horrible situation where you need to go seventy (or whatever it was) yards in one play to win the game. The odds are less than one percent. Probably a lot less than one percent. But if that play (lateraling all over the field) is going to work at all, you probably are going to need guys who can actually run. You don't want to be lateraling the ball to big fat linemen who are slow and who aren't used to pitching and catching footballs while on the move. So by design, you have to put smaller, more athletic players on the field. And you need seven guys to be on the line of scrimmage, so you have to put them in positions they wouldn't normally play. Including the snapper. It didn't work out for them (and yes I was happy about that, although I do recall there were some Eagles fans who inexplicably wanted Dallas to win) but they were already in dire straits and they gave it a shot. It just so happened that the Niners played it smart and trucked the center. A lot of defenses probably wouldn't have done that. So I give the Turds a pass on that one.

And on Sunday, I thought it was actually smart for them to try to score in that frantic situation after the sack. The Eagles defense wasn't necessarily mentally prepared in that exact moment. They were celebrating the sack and were scrambling to get organized. I think a deep shot there actually had a BETTER chance than a designed play after a spike.

FWIW, I also thought the QB draw they ran the other year was smart too because it got them close. The problem was that a) Dak ran too far with the ball, forcing his teammates to have to run further to actually line up for the spike; and b) they tried to set the ball themselves. I consider that more poor execution than poor design.

We played the easiest slate of QBs ever last year. Let’s not forget that. 

21 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

And yet, we still had the league's top pass defense despite that abuse for almost half the season. NCB is like 3rd or 4th on the list of reasons for why we went from first to worst in defending the pass.

I will give it a week or 2 after the by to say more certainly. Because most of the time Slay has been "beat" its usually actually a safety blowing their assignment. And we havent had 2 competent starting safeties play together since week 1. Now we had Blankenship and Byard for 2 games, but Byard is not even close to up to speed in this defense. And we have had guys play out of position like Bradberry, and Ricks in the slot, Blankenship and Brown in the slot...

So lets see after the bye if everyone stops looking slow, and safeties support the CBs better. By then guys should be in their natural positions, and Byard should be much more caught up.

If you have a healthy secondary and everyone up to speed itll be easier to pick out who is playing poorly. And if it continues to look like everyone is lost, then you probably have to say its scheme.

 

2 hours ago, bitbased said:

Yeah, I love our TEs attitude (Celek, Goedert) but there's a reason that Ertz stayed more healthy than them generally. They just have to be smart about it.

Goedert last year got hurt in an uncalled facemask that jacked up his shoulder, had nothing to do with him seeking contact.

The recent injury was a dirty play, it was a legit arm bar...

But yeah no reason for goedert to stick that out there as it's not going to help him get more yards as he's going out of bounds, having said that it's force if habit, every body in the NFL stiff arms defenders and none of them get arm barred and broken arms.

It is what it is at least it's not a season ender.

Reminds a lot of what some NBA players are doing trapping guys arms and pulling on them.

Dirty stuff but effective way of keeping guys hands out of the cookie jar.