1 hour ago, just relax said:

I don’t think so. There was a guy drafted by the Cardinals who never played college football but he did play semi-pro. Eric something. Really good player, IIRC.

Eric Swann.

59 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Oubre only has a fractured rib. I wonder why they said he would miss significant time last night. 

Because breathing will hurt.  "Significant" time could mean 4-6 weeks.  Even just 2 weeks is 'significant'. Depends on how it is used.

 

The injury seems to be rather 'insignificant' in terms of long term prognosis, but it can be painful and require a few weeks before he's ready to play.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Besides Mailata, has a player ever been drafted into the NFL without ever playing a snap of American football at any level? 

John Wesley Carlos

(the one on the right - bronze medalist)

Geez this Mitchell guy on the Ravens is a stud 

He should have had another TD there. Would have been a tough catch though.

Good call on John Carlos. Drafted by the Eagles who hoped he might become the next Bob Hayes. I don't think he even made it out of training camp.

I believe the Cowboys tried to draft Carl Lewis but the league voided the pick saying he wasn't eligible. I forget the details that but that seems like a real memory.

 

1 minute ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Good call on John Carlos. Drafted by the Eagles who hoped he might become the next Bob Hayes. I don't think he even made it out of training camp.

I believe the Cowboys tried to draft Carl Lewis but the league voided the pick saying he wasn't eligible. I forget the details that but that seems like a real memory.

He was injured during training camp.   Apparently he did go to the CFL for one year.  Then walked away from football.

Man, there's a Flyers name from the past. RIP

 

The Jags defense has been better than their offense this season. Their offense is unimpressive every time I watch it.

22 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Because breathing will hurt.  "Significant" time could mean 4-6 weeks.  Even just 2 weeks is 'significant'. Depends on how it is used.

 

The injury seems to be rather 'insignificant' in terms of long term prognosis, but it can be painful and require a few weeks before he's ready to play.

I guess but the phrasing seemed over the top. It was suggesting his season might not be done but he’ll miss most of it, like something month to month given we’re in November. 

They also said today he’ll miss the next game and be "re-evaluated” so it’s seems like someone jumped the gun on reporting. 

Not sure what the jags punt returner is doing. Just fair catching it they are starting at like the 12. Instead they are inside the 1

If you can't run north-south vs. SF, it's going to be a long day. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I guess but the phrasing seemed over the top. It was suggesting his season might not be done but he’ll miss most of it, like something month to month given we’re in November. 

I hear you.  This is the case of what happens when there's a rush to put something out... so they go with something safe but sounds bigger than it is.  

 

What I saw first specifically stated it was not season ending.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The Jags defense has been better than their offense this season. Their offense is unimpressive every time I watch it.

Clearly the jags need to incorporate hasty more into the offense. 

Amazing screens by Jax, even though the OL are literally blocking NO ONE.   These guys don't have a clue how to determine who their target is.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

The following is going to trigger the sometimes condescending knowledge base of the blog with some "it’s not that simple, doesn’t work that way, you don’t understand” responses.  And perhaps I’m pushing too hard in the other direction to prove a point, but it still is worth saying:

The media, the fans, perhaps even the coaches are over-mystifying the slot cb position.  People are making it sound like the most difficult and critical position on defense.  Are there nuances that make it different from outside cb?  Of course.  BUT…there is also a reason that the third best cb traditionally mans the slot.  There are rocked up safeties who play up at the LOS who function in this role at times.  If a cb is "long legged and struggles with quickness,” then that’s going to be a problem outside too.  Our secondary has not fallen into the abyss simply due to the inevitable annual injury to Maddox, who wasn’t exactly a total stud in the first place.  The depth at the cb position is a collection of udfas who are not prepared to play nfl football.  And the starting safeties / outside cbs leave a lot to be desired.  It’s a global DB talent/quality problem…not the lack of someone who "fits” in the slot.

 

Hope this isn’t condescending to you but rather a disagreement with your conclusion.  First off, the rules for NFL DBs are far different than anything they dealt with their whole careers. Name another NFL position that is true for.  Only kicker comes close.  That is a strong reason why so many DBs are selected and flame out and why so many succeed that were late round draft choices or UDFAs.  Second take Al Harris.  When he came in, he played outside.  Not all slot receivers are the third best on their team. Frankly, I would grade Maddox above Nelson.  His skills just fit the slot so much better than the outside. Slot isn’t as easy as you think.

The slot (NCB) is different than played in college.  (I would argue S is too.). The receiver size (RBs, TEs and all sorts of receivers), quickness, strength vary.  There is this lazy projection from draft prognosticators that "he is less than ideal size” so he will be a nickel CB in the NFL.  The routes are much varied and the nickel player is asked to do more man match.  Tighter coverage (mirroring) is required in the nickel (slot) position. But unlike their  pre NFL careers , pre throw contact is mostly not allowed. Make up speed matters a lot less in the slot but  some speed is necessary.  But quickness, agility and instinct are the keys.  (Ricks has that as does Brown but they are still learning the routes. (Gaining football IQ). Thinking can be the enemy of quickness. (You saw that with Ricks against Lamb where he was schooled on some moves).  With IQ comes better instinctive movement.  I would argue the most instinct (football IQ too) driven positions on D are the deep S (usually FS), the NCB, SS (although many teams play that interchangeably with Weak and Strong, the positioning impacts the depth) and the ILB (MIKE and WIL) in that order.  

Give the coaches and players time to get to know each other. It is so much easier to be instinctive knowing where the help is coming from. Give the young ones time to grow.  Heck, give Roby (on the field) and Byard time to know the playbook.  

I just don’t get why you expect a couple of rookies to come out NFL ready.  That’s an unreal expectation.  

The Eagles have made expenditures in the backfield.  Failure on Jones hurt and Douglas was wrong for the D they were playing at the time although would be fine at the Bradberry position in the zone heavy D they are playing now. So they traded for Slay and signed Bradberry.  So they invested in McPhearson, who would be fine in the Bradberry position or backing up Maddoxand probably tagged as the future #2 CB.  Ringo at speed CB, if he learns and develops as expected.  People were ecstatic at getting Jobe and Ricks as UDFAs.  Both are pretty decent backups/ST players. Rodgers sitting on suspension to back up Maddox next year.  They will spend more resources on D.  They just did on Byard.  

I am interested in McCollum.  DBs don’t come out of SHSU polished but the raw skills are there.  This is his second year (on Texans PS last year).  Has the athleticism to play FS and I think the instincts. Eagles list him as a DB (like they did with Q initially).  My favorite pirate move of the offseason.  I thought he looked good in PS, albeit in scab time because of the Brown, Evans, Edmunds tryouts.  

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2023/09/18/zyon-mccollum-tristin-twins-buccaneers-eagles-monday-night-football/

Not sure they have completely given up on Goodrich.  They had Garner taking some S cross training. Frankly, I would be tempted to bulk him up and play him at WIL.  (He’s four pounds lighter than Morrow.)  He is extremely green but still seems a step slow.  I don’t see a fit at CB, including nickel or S.   But he hits like a freight train.  Don’t sleep on Vidor.  Great athleticism but even with NFL experience, still learning.  Bet he gets picked off the PS at some point.  

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Amazing screens by Jax, even though the OL are literally blocking NO ONE.   These guys don't have a clue how to determine who their target is.

That was anti-climatic with 2 OLmen out in front just plodding straight ahead.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not sure what the jags punt returner is doing. Just fair catching it they are starting at like the 12. Instead they are inside the 1

Especially considering they made the wild decision to cut JaMycal Hasty yesterday.

The 49ers really, really, really miss Jimmy Ward. Slot CBs matter!

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

That was anti-climatic with 2 OLmen out in front just plodding straight ahead.

Yup.  Scherff could have kicked out to the sideline and peel off #20. Instead, he runs right past him and lets him make the play.  

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not sure what the jags punt returner is doing. Just fair catching it they are starting at like the 12. Instead they are inside the 1

New man.  Agnew got hurt on the last kickoff.

25 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Hopefully Howie learned his lesson. If you haven’t done the full due diligence on a dropping player, don’t reach.  

Josh dobbs is really fun to watch 

Dobbs is the goat