2 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

Colorado is completely outclassed here 

As I said a couple of days ago, only psychopaths thought they had a shot against the Ducks. They need 1-2 more classes to get their oline and Dline up to snuff. 

2 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Yeah. Oregon has a different calibre of athletes as compared to Colorado.

On the lines, absolutely. 

1 hour ago, justwinbaby said:

Wowww Chubbs knee must be made of rubber.. only tore his MCL?? That's amazing 

Absolutely unreal that that’s all he wound up with. 

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I don't know because even when they were 3-0 Deion was quoted as saying that they aren't there yet.  He knew they were nowhere near a playoff caliber team.

It's just the idiot, bandwagon fans who don't watch or know anything about college football thought they were good enough to challenge Georgia, Ohio St, Bama, Michigan, etc.

Maybe in the years to come he can build this program to a powerhouse but not now.

I think when he says "we're coming" he means they're on the rise and not a pushover anymore.  Except today 😄😄

Deion has said multiple times that he knows they have a ways to go. He’s cocky, but not stupid. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

3 is the more important number though.  

Hoping the cubs pass the dbacks. Don’t really love the idea of facing gallen and Kelly back to back in a best of 3 series.  

51 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

never heard of 6-8 months for a torn MCL. Theres definitely more to it.

It’s not torn, it’s ruptured.

4 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I don't know because even when they were 3-0 Deion was quoted as saying that they aren't there yet.  He knew they were nowhere near a playoff caliber team.

It's just the idiot, bandwagon fans who don't watch or know anything about college football thought they were good enough to challenge Georgia, Ohio St, Bama, Michigan, etc.

Maybe in the years to come he can build this program to a powerhouse but not now.

I think when he says "we're coming" he means they're on the rise and not a pushover anymore.  Except today 😄😄

He yells about receipts and he thinks he has some higher ground to teach the media lessons.

That was one hell of a lesson today.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

It’s not torn, it’s ruptured.

For the uninitiated.... what's the difference?

Anyone think this game on Monday might be like the Titans game last year?

Tampa is 3rd against the run and 24 against the pass so far (and one of the QBs they faced is a 5-22 record RB so far)

 

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

It’s not torn, it’s ruptured.

thats the same thing.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

For the uninitiated.... what's the difference?

no difference. like when people say its not broken its fractured. same thing.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

no difference. like when people say its not broken its fractured. same thing.

I wasn't sure.   But, let me ask this... can some complete tears be significantly worse than others?   I know with fractures, that you can have a nice 'clean' break, or you can have a spiral fracture... and that they have different recovery times.   Can there be a 'shredded' tear versus a 'clean' tear?

So... after all this today, can we just call him "Coach Sanders" now?  

Its all a weird description process. They use different terms based on initial diagnosis and the hope they have going forward.

A strain is a tear and a tear is a tear and a rupture is a tear

A strain is something they hope is a really minor tear that might heal up on its own or need a minor procedure.

A tear is more like something significant and probably season ending.

A rupture is just saying the tear was really bad or complete or abandon all hope ye who drafted this guy in your fantasy league.

 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

For the uninitiated.... what's the difference?

A tear can be anywhere from a stretch tear, where there isn’t separation, partial tear, complete clean tear, whereas a rupture is a shred.  At least that was always the way it was explained to me.  I can’t believe with those mechanics of the bend that the tendon didn’t shred.  Could be wrong.  

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I wasn't sure.   But, let me ask this... can some complete tears be significantly worse than others?   I know with fractures, that you can have a nice 'clean' break, or you can have a spiral fracture... and that they have different recovery times.   Can there be a 'shredded' tear versus a 'clean' tear?

I'm sure you'll get a better answer but if the ligament has enough damage to be surgically repaired then there's no difference in if it's completely ruptured or kind of ruptured. If it needs surgery then the the recovery is the same because you're replacing the ligament regardless.

2 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

I'm sure you'll get a better answer but if the ligament has enough damage to be surgically repaired then there's no difference in if it's completely ruptured or kind of ruptured. If it needs surgery then the the recovery is the same because you're replacing the ligament regardless.

What if you listen to dolphin mating sounds? Can that speed up recovery?

Asking for a drugged-out, weirdo, injured QB with 2 playoff wins since 2017.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I wasn't sure.   But, let me ask this... can some complete tears be significantly worse than others?   I know with fractures, that you can have a nice 'clean' break, or you can have a spiral fracture... and that they have different recovery times.   Can there be a 'shredded' tear versus a 'clean' tear?

no.

Now the MCL has an attachment on the medial meniscus and can sometimes pull a piece of the meniscus away. But in that case they cant really be reporting that its just an MCL. He would be having surgery in that case because of the meniscal involvement.

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

A tear can be anywhere from a stretch tear, where there isn’t separation, partial tear, complete clean tear, whereas a rupture is a shred.  At least that was always the way it was explained to me.  I can’t believe with those mechanics of the bend that the tendon didn’t shred.  Could be wrong.  

pretty much tear is only uttered when its a rupture.

A partial tear is termed a sprain. Itd be a grade 2 sprain which is a partial tear.

You dont just say tear unless its a complete tear/rupture.

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

no difference. like when people say its not broken its fractured. same thing.

Lot of difference between a non displaced fracture, a displaced compound fracture or a crush fracture.    So most doctors I have heard testify (or read the testimony, expert reports) or whose records I have read made a distinction when they referred to a rupture from using the term tear.  Not all repairs are the same.  I am suspecting Chubb’s repair isn’t expected to be simple.  

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

What if you listen to dolphin mating sounds? Can that speed up recovery?

Asking for a drugged-out, weirdo, injured QB with 2 playoff wins since 2017.

Only if you're A-aron. Otherwise i think you're SOL. 

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I wasn't sure.   But, let me ask this... can some complete tears be significantly worse than others?   I know with fractures, that you can have a nice 'clean' break, or you can have a spiral fracture... and that they have different recovery times.   Can there be a 'shredded' tear versus a 'clean' tear?

Spiral fractures are nasty.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So... after all this today, can we just call him "Coach Sanders" now?  

Nah. They’re going to wind up between 25-30 which is an amazing improvement on last year. I expect a jump into the teens next year. 

Lots of people up in arms about this. I thought it was great. 
 

 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Lot of difference between a non displaced fracture, a displaced compound fracture or a crush fracture.    So most doctors I have heard testify (or read the testimony, expert reports) or whose records I have read made a distinction when they referred to a rupture from using the term tear.  Not all repairs are the same.  I am suspecting Chubb’s repair isn’t expected to be simple.  

all fracrtures are breaks. when people say its not fractured, its broken they dont realize, yes it is fractured.

tear = rupture.

sprain = partial tear, or just stretched

 

Usually an MCL does not need to be repaired. And its not 6-8 months recovery. Its like 8 weeks for an isolated MCL complete tear. No surgery.

If he is taking 6-8 months, and having surgery, something more is going on.

The point is, the report is wrong.

 

 

38 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Lots of people up in arms about this. I thought it was great. 
 

 

I have no issue with it, but when you open your locker room up to ESPN when you make a speech like that, you have to be prepared for any backlash you get.  No reason to invite ESPN into the locker room unless you want the attention... which is ironic given his message about clicks versus wins.

 

He wanted some attention for his team against Colorado to get a shot at the NCG.  Sitting where they are, with their schedule... they could win out and still end up on the outside looking in on the playoff.  So, he wanted some attention so that they move up the rankings... and get into the National Championship conversation.  And putting a whooping on the media darling Colorado Buffs... that certainly will help them in the rankings.  (Meanwhile, no legit #19 team should get handled by the #10 team like that.  Colorado had no business being ranked that high.) 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

pretty much tear is only uttered when its a rupture.

A partial tear is termed a sprain. Itd be a grade 2 sprain which is a partial tear.

You dont just say tear unless it’s a complete tear/rupture.

So we are basically concluding the same about Chubb’s injury.  The rest is how the terms are used.  I will be the first to admit that in litigation, doctors tend to stress or downplay the nature of injury depending on which side they are representing.  I suspect how injuries get shared with the media and the terms they use are closer to litigation than treatment terminology as you use it.  With ICD11s in full use nowadays, harder to deviate terminology than with ICD9s and before.