57 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ted does good work, so he’s probably right. 

I've been screaming about red-zone play-calling all season. This is just one example of many.

Not even mad about AJ not running a route. It's a called sprint-out, so the ball is never going his way.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

How’s that have anything to do about their issues in the red zone? Which is what i specifically discussed. Can say utter nonsense but their red zone offense is 8-19 on the year which is 42%. That’s going to be a problem.   It’s 27th in the league. We can say utter nonsense but you are going to face more prolific offenses and it’s gonna be much harder to win against those teams when you are 2-6 or 1-5 in the red zone. 

Get back to basics.  Pound the rock.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

How’s that have anything to do about their issues in the red zone? Which is what i specifically discussed. Can say utter nonsense but their red zone offense is 8-19 on the year which is 42%. That’s going to be a problem.   It’s 27th in the league. We can say utter nonsense but you are going to face more prolific offenses and it’s gonna be much harder to win against those teams when you are 2-6 or 1-5 in the red zone. 

Sorry. I was thinking overall offense. You're right about the red zone.

49 minutes ago, just relax said:

He's a freaking football player. He shouldn't be out there if he's afraid of getting tackled. Let us remember, it's 3rd and two! If he goes straight up the field he's going to get at least 4-5 yards. Even if he only gets two, it's enough. This is a four-point play that fails because he chickened out. I don't know any other way to put it.

 

 

 

I don’t disagree.  But I don’t think it is fear of being tackled.  I think it is fear of not making the play.  I think the designed hole is for him to go between Smith and Brown. By the time he gets there, that hole has closed.  (Your second to last screenshot).  That’s because he took a horrible angle and isn’t quick but also how where he starts off. (First screen shot). Look at his direction as the ball comes to him (second shot and his feet at the third shot, figuratively stopped). I think his best chance would have been to run between Brown and the three coming towards him (straight ahead as you said) but I am not convinced he makes the seven yards because he may be fast but he doesn’t burst  (Again, that third shot). You notice his position catching the ball between the third and fourth shots puts him closer to the hole between Brown and Smith but also closer to Brown’s guy.  Straight ahead is gone now because of the movement towards what I think was the designed hole. Then he starts moving towards a shrinking hole with that crouch start because he isn’t fluid.  Bad angle by him, (Fourth shot.) because I think the play was designed for that hole which has shrunk because of where he started and because he isn’t quick.

One thing that has to be mentioned is that play would have been acceptable almost gaining the two or even just gaining the one.  That’s on Quez.  But it is also on the design.  Why would anyone think a play five yards behind the LOS to Quez is a high percentage play in this scenario (or any scenario)?  Makes no sense.  They turned 3rd and 2 into 3rd and 7.  I would never give Quez the ball going backwards or at a stop and expect 7 yards unless the defender is isolated and on a significant cushion. He has no burst or quickness. He is stiff. Wrong player for the wrong play and frankly I think the wrong play by design.

If the play was designed inside Brown, he blocks it wrong.  If it’s designed outside Smith (where Quez took it), he blocks it wrong.  Blocks suggest take it between the two just like the bunch play screen they did on the first play of the game.  If so, then either Quez ran it wrong by going back for the ball or it was designed that way in which case, I say poor design.

45 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The All22 would show you the S that is about at the five yard line and aligned to the hole between Brown and Smith. Now Quez has dropped about three yard from where he started and not aligned to the hole.  He has to turn to the ball and doesn’t see the hole peripherally.  That ball drops about to his waste level for the catch.  Now Quez is a basket catcher more than a hands catcher so he is partly to blame for that.  But the design doesn’t fit his strengths.  He isn’t quick.  OZ is quicker.  Now his turning to align toward the hole rather than slanting was a horrible decision.  I said it was a numbers decision because he is thinking six players versus two and that’s because a speed player always thinks they can make the corner.  He can’t because he is stiff.  He is exactly what I worry about with Ringo as a DB. (And why I think he dropped.) Fast but stiff hips takes away his quickness.   But this picture is exactly why this is a poor play for Quez.   The right placement for him is lining up at the back of the number arrow and catching it at the point of the arrow so he already has his forward motion.  You picture looks like forward momentum but it’s not it’s backwards momentum. But frankly, I don’t like this design period assuming it was run initially as designed. OZ might be quick enough but I think one of those corners gets an arm on him enough for the S to get there.  I think the TEs are too slow for it.  Maybe Swift or Scott with their after contact strength but not sure they beat the S.  Maybe Gainwell but he’s not much stouter than Quez.  

BTW, some credit to the Rams.  CBs are much better positioned on this play than the first play of the game, but that’s because they aren’t worried about the rub play as much.  

This isn’t defense of Quez.  I have hated screens to him for years.  Yes, he is fast but he is not quick and really doesn’t have a burst step.  But this version is even worse than the stop version.  And look at where Brown and Smith are.  The Eagles already conceded the sideline so it’s bonehead of Quez to think he can win the corner.  He failed to take what was given and tried for the hero ball approach. Problem is, I don’t think taking what was given gains two yards.

Hurts zips it to get it there a bit faster and there is as good of chance as not, Quez doesn’t catch it.  Same with OZ.  
 

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Ultimately, I think you're right that this is a poor play to throw to Watkins.  His hips are turned inside when he makes the catch.  His inside leg looks positioned so he could turn upfield at this point. Based on this view, His read should be to go right between AJ and Devonta.  Arguably the next best decision would be to head inside because he is facing inside and the nearest unblocked defender is 8 yards away without a good angle. It was a bad play by him but not because of his physical limitations.    This is about his decision making and willingness to put his head down. 

35 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

They will still have their way with our defense.  Only Tua or Hill being out would impact that.

Oh ye of little faith

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

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Ultimately, I think you're right that this is a poor play to throw to Watkins.  His hips are turned inside when he makes the catch.  His inside leg looks positioned so he could turn upfield at this point. Based on this view, His read should be to go right between AJ and Devonta.  Arguably the next best decision would be to head inside because he is facing inside and the nearest unblocked defender is 8 yards away without a good angle. It was a bad play by him but not because of his physical limitations.    This is about his decision making and willingness to put his head down. 

See how that hole is shrinking?  A player with stiff hips isn’t going to be able to cut through it.  If he is soft that makes it even worse. AJ Brown can run like a RB (well really more like an HBack).I don’t think Quez can because of his stiffness.  

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

I've been screaming about red-zone play-calling all season. This is just one example of many.

Not even mad about AJ not running a route. It's a called sprint-out, so the ball is never going his way.

It's hard to see what they are taking advantage of on the play.  It looks like the ball was supposed to go to Goedert but Hurts can't make the throw because of the defender in his face.  It just looks like a poorly designed play.  

The RZ play calling seems to be let's call plays that get us close enough for the QB sneak rather than calling for plays that should go for TDs.

Just now, BigEFly said:

See how that hole is shrinking?  A player with stiff hips isn’t going to be able to cut through it.  If he is soft that makes it even worse. AJ Brown can run like a RB (well really more like an HBack).I don’t think Quez can because of his stiffness.  

Run to the hole. If it closes and you don’t have the guts to run through contact, then make a move. He decided immediately he wasn’t about that life and ran straight to the sideline. He practically tackled himself. If he runs to the hole, I think it’s an easy first. I don’t think you’re right in saying he couldn’t, but even if you were, a late jump cut after the hole closes likely leads to a first.

There isn’t enough antibiotics in North America to clear up his case of pussitis. 

Doesn't really make sense why we aren't using Goedert in the redzone. Maybe that'll change since they're targeting him more overall now

3 minutes ago, just relax said:

Sorry. I was thinking overall offense. You're right about the red zone.

It’s cool. Probably should’ve included words red zone. was commenting on the post with the tweet saying red zone was a mess. I’m concerned about red zone offense and red zone defense. Red zone defense might actually be worse then red zone offense. They are ranked  30th (75%) tds. We are about to faced teams like Miami, bills, niners and even KC (haven’t looked as great as last year yet). 

tbh I’m impressed the eagles rank 5th in ppg considering the issues in the red zone. The lions, dolphins, niners and bills are all top 5 ppg and top 10 red zone offense. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

See how that hole is shrinking?  A player with stiff hips isn’t going to be able to cut through it.  If he is soft that makes it even worse. AJ Brown can run like a RB (well really more like an HBack).I don’t think Quez can because of his stiffness.  

I see the hole is shrinking but it's still pretty big. I don't think it's even small for this play.  It would be a better play to throw to AJ, Devonta, Goedert, Swift, Gainwell or Scott.  I still think it's a mental error by him.  He has plenty of space to cut upfield.  His focus should be getting upfield as fast as he can.  He had plenty of opportunity to do so but choose to run outside. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Would rather reward Oz for the positive plays he's made this year and give him a bigger role than have to force the ball to Quez at the small chance he redeems himself. 

I don't really get this narrative that OZ has been some magnet for big plays this year. He caught one long ball on an improvised deep route against the Bucs for a touchdown and he made a clutch first down catch against Washington. As far as I can recall, that's his two positive plays. Two. Meanwhile he also dropped a pretty catchable ball against the Commies that would have resulted in a first down but instead killed the drive.

And I don't mean it as a knock because he hardly played, but he also didn't do anything flashy in preseason either.

It's one thing to say that Quez has disappointed. It's true. But it's another thing altogether to say that OZ has been anything special either.

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I don't really get this narrative that OZ has been some magnet for big plays this year. He caught one long ball on an improvised deep route against the Bucs for a touchdown and he made a clutch first down catch against Washington. As far as I can recall, that's his two positive plays. Two. Meanwhile he also dropped a pretty catchable ball against the Commies that would have resulted in a first down but instead killed the drive.

And I don't mean it as a knock because he hardly played, but he also didn't do anything flashy in preseason either.

It's one thing to say that Quez has disappointed. It's true. But it's another thing altogether to say that OZ has been anything special either.

So, it wouldn't be fair to say he's looked like a wizard, while Quez has been a cowardly lion?

I sincerely hope Howie is going to trade Quez to, oh, I don't know, maybe the Bears.

4 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I don't really get this narrative that OZ has been some magnet for big plays this year. He caught one long ball on an improvised deep route against the Bucs for a touchdown and he made a clutch first down catch against Washington. As far as I can recall, that's his two positive plays. Two. Meanwhile he also dropped a pretty catchable ball against the Commies that would have resulted in a first down but instead killed the drive.

And I don't mean it as a knock because he hardly played, but he also didn't do anything flashy in preseason either.

It's one thing to say that Quez has disappointed. It's true. But it's another thing altogether to say that OZ has been anything special either.

Wasn't saying he's been a magnet for good plays but he's made a few positive plays. He's a willing blocker and had a few nice catches, including a TD. Just saying reward for positives instead of hoping for redemption from a player who continually disappoints. 

ESPN decided to do a "Regrading the Robert Quinn trade in 2023" and sent me a notification like it was breaking news. Are they really that desperate to talk about anything?

I feel like we've been doing a lot less read option this year, which has undoubtedly helped Jalen's development as a pocket passer. But down in the red zone, I'd like to see them go back to some read option stuff. Remembering the first Dallas game last year where they brought AJ in motion, ran the RO, and flipped an easy TD. Inside the 20, and especially the 10, we need those plays with multiple options that put the defense in a bind.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

We dance this dance every year.  When the weather turns cold Scott will pay his dues as he does every single year.

That wasn't a slight... it is what it is.  Scott and Gainwell, Gainwell and Scott.   Neither is a world beater.  Neither is better than Swift.  But, we need to give carries and touches to some RB other than Swift.   I think Gainwell is better than Scott... not by much, but by a small margin.   Clearly, the coaches agree with that.  Scott is in 3rd place on the depth chart, and for whatever reason, Penny is 5th, and there's only 4 guys on the roster!  

 

If I'm the Eagles, I'm looking to upgrade the RB room next year, just as they looked to upgrade it this past offseason going out and grabbing Penny and then trading for Swift.   They hit on one, and seemingly whiffed on the other.

57 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s amazing how bad it is. With the amount of weapons the eagles have it shouldn’t be 27th in the league. I could understand middle of the pack. But to be as bad as they are is incredible giving all the advantages the eagles have. That said i get no way the ball was ever going to go to aj with the play called, but the optics of him just casually walking aren’t good. I’d also point out the inside receiver looked like he gave a half assed effort too so not just aj.  

Not just that, but the offense in general has a massive advantage over the defense all the time... and they have the Shove play.   Their TD conversion rate being as abysmal as it is speaks to the coaches not having a clue how to fix it.  They have a little time, but it is starting to run out.  The meat of the schedule fast approaches.

12 minutes ago, just relax said:

I sincerely hope Howie is going to trade Quez to, oh, I don't know, maybe the Bears.

For what?  A half-eaten ham sandwich?

49 minutes ago, just relax said:

Utter nonsense. Yards - 2nd. Points - 5th. Time of Possession - 4th.

The RZ efficiency is bad.  27th.

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

For what?  A half-eaten ham sandwich?

Maybe a throw in in the Jeremy Chinn trade to make it only a 7 or something

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

For what?  A half-eaten ham sandwich?

Point well taken.