11 hours ago, SkippyX said:

They don't even need to have all the changes to struggle.

Look at Stafford 2022-2024 - 22-18 record with a 91.8 passer rating as a career zero in the run game.

Look at Marino 1988-1989 14-18 record, 52 TDs to 45 picks

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm

Look at Montana 82-83 and the 1985-87 playoffs.

Rivers was 60-68 as a starter from 2010-2017

Brees was 30-28 as a starter and replaced in San Diego.

Brees had 5 losing seasons in New Orleans.

Playing QB in the NFL is hard.

And when the offense is constantly in flux how can we expect proper development? Not exactly the best situation to be in, nevertheless Jalen still finds a way to make the playoffs.

12 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Just FYI - in 17 seasons Stafford has 1 SB win and 1 media narrative close team (who for some reason struggled vs the 8-9 team twice and was +2 points in the playoffs)

Stafford threw a bloop deep ball directly to Jaquiski Tartt in his previous NFCCG. It was dropped. Stafford choked but got very lucky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1DOukhPHiE&t=2s

Brett Favre would look at that throw and ask Stafford what the hell he was doing.

Stafford had 9 turnover worthy plays in the 2025 playoffs.

• a pick vs Carolina

• 2 fumbles and 3 dropped picks vs Chicago

• 1 fumble and 2 dropped picks vs Seattle

He choked at the end vs Philly last year.

He was an interception drop and a taunting penalty away from being down 18 late in the NFCCG.

He had 2 picks in the Super Bowl but his D carried him.

Stafford is another QB who will never have what Hurts has in the big games.

Morons can pretend that Stafford is great and Hurts is limited. Their narrative doesn't change anything.

Hopefully Hurts is playing like Stafford in year 17.

I don't see the reason to knock every other QB in the NFL just to make Hurts seem better.

6 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Hopefully Hurts is playing like Stafford in year 17.

I don't see the reason to knock every other QB in the NFL just to make Hurts seem better.

Well considering the Eagles own fans and Philly media go out their way to minimize the achievements of Hurts and overly exaggerate his failures it seems fair. I mean why are we crying for other teams players? On a side note it is very unlikely Jalen Hurts remains an Eagle for 17 year (though not impossible) so if he’s not an Eagle I don’t really care how well he is or isn’t playing at that point.

I don't want Hurts to have 9 turnover worthy plays in the playoffs and badly missing an open deep guy at any age.

2 hours ago, SkippyX said:

I don't want Hurts to have 9 turnover worthy plays in the playoffs and badly missing an open deep guy at any age.

If he makes enough plays to help us get wins, I really don't care. He doesn't have to be the top passer or the top QB in the league. I'm perfectly fine with him being inside or near the top 10 when he's playing his best. As long as he's wearing an Eagles uniform, I'm rooting for him. It does not bother me that there may be better QBs in the league.

7 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

If he makes enough plays to help us get wins, I really don't care. He doesn't have to be the top passer or the top QB in the league. I'm perfectly fine with him being inside or near the top 10 when he's playing his best. As long as he's wearing an Eagles uniform, I'm rooting for him. It does not bother me that there may be better QBs in the league.

Well I think his point is whoever is out there if they’re making that many turnover worthy plays then he probably isn’t winning. Truth is around here there are certain people who would rather lose with a qb throwing for over 4000 yards than win with a qb throwing it for 2500 yards. I just want to win and if that means less or more passes from the qb I don’t care. Keep the main thing the main thing.

11 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well I think his point is whoever is out there if they’re making that many turnover worthy plays then he probably isn’t winning. Truth is around here there are certain people who would rather lose with a qb throwing for over 4000 yards than win with a qb throwing it for 2500 yards. I just want to win and if that means less or more passes from the qb I don’t care. Keep the main thing the main thing.

I don't believe anybody would rather lose. I do believe the fan base is littered with chicken littles that worry about the next game and the next game ... and so on ...

This thread is full of what all the other QBs are doing, but it's a Jalen Hurts thread. For some reason, by reading this thread, I'm to believe that Drake Maye is terribly overrated just because he's an MVP candidate and Jalen isn't this season.

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I don't believe anybody would rather lose. I do believe the fan base is littered with chicken littles that worry about the next game and the next game ... and so on ...

This thread is full of what all the other QBs are doing, but it's a Jalen Hurts thread. For some reason, by reading this thread, I'm to believe that Drake Maye is terribly overrated just because he's an MVP candidate and Jalen isn't this season.

Even if it is a Jalen thread (that probably should have been closed by now) why can’t people compare and contrast other quarterbacks in the league? Most of the guys mentioned that’s who people complain that Jalen isn’t. Also I literally heard a WIP host today basically say he’s okay with them losing so they can "blow it all up” and that’s coming from the Philly media. Furthermore we have seen it. We had a qb who threw the ball all the time, had several turnover level plays a game, the team kept losing, but the fans blamed everyone but that player. Meanwhile the only quarterback in Eagles history to play in two SBs has this crap of a thread.

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Even if it is a Jalen thread (that probably should have been closed by now) why can’t people compare and contrast other quarterbacks in the league? Most of the guys mentioned that’s who people complain that Jalen isn’t. Also I literally heard a WIP host today basically say he’s okay with them losing so they can "blow it all up” and that’s coming from the Philly media. Furthermore we have seen it. We had a qb who threw the ball all the time, had several turnover level plays a game, the team kept losing, but the fans blamed everyone but that player. Meanwhile the only quarterback in Eagles history to play in two SBs has this crap of a thread.

People can compare whatever they want. I'm not so insecure about my support for Jalen that I need to highlight every single failure of QBs that are getting more positive press than Jalen this season. The critics clearly go overboard often and some are just wacko. But our offense was frustrating to watch this season and people are all pointing fingers at their favorite targets, but everyone shared in the blame.

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

People can compare whatever they want. I'm not so insecure about my support for Jalen that I need to highlight every single failure of QBs that are getting more positive press than Jalen this season. The critics clearly go overboard often and some are just wacko. But our offense was frustrating to watch this season and people are all pointing fingers at their favorite targets, but everyone shared in the blame.

Definitely a lot of people and reasons to be critical of for the results from Eagles offense last year, but comparing players isn’t about egos or security. Ultimately Jalen is our guy for better or worse, but most importantly he’s winning. Let me be clear on this. If he wasn’t winning I’d want him gone and I don’t care what his stats look like. That’s my feeling on all players and coaches. No sacred cows for me.

There are no QBs in the current league that could carry a team to a SB and win it on their backs. That ended when Brady retired.

Hurts has played two of the best games of his life in TWO Super Bowls and was arguably MVP in both. He is not perfect, but he is good enough. PROVEN good enough.

And he is still young. And he can get better with good coaching and coaching stability.

Done.

Hurts did not get better this year.

He was running less and not making it up with his arm.

He refused to do new things.

His ego is getting too big.

His lack of ability and cooperation is getting coaches fired. Sirianni is next.

We need to trade this guy while he is still a commodity.

We need to rebuild the OLine anyway.

Trade Hurts to the Raiders for the #1 pick in the draft.

On 2/1/2026 at 5:19 AM, CouchKing said:

He refused to do new things.

His ego is getting too big.

His lack of ability and cooperation is getting coaches fired. Sirianni is next.

Do you have any proof to back up any of those claims?

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Do you have any proof to back up any of those claims?

I submit for the record the 2025 season and all related stories written by media.

Go find for yourself (I'm not your paid intern) the story about Hurts not wanting to do some things on offense that they wanted him to do.

Same with the snippet of him demanding excellence from other players. He thinks he's Michael Jordan perhaps?

Two OC's fired so far. Do you want proof of that?

I want him as our QB, but he needs to get his head out of his butt. Take criticism, learn, grow, adapt, evolve, he can do it.

Be comfortable being uncomfortable.

He said - I'm paraphrasing - previously that the Offense will look how he wants it look. That ain't flying anymore, Jalen.

Be receptive to hard coaching. Learn from the past mistakes, and put forth an effort going forward to minimize said mistakes to make yourself a better QB. 😎😎

20 hours ago, CouchKing said:

I submit for the record the 2025 season and all related stories written by media.

Go find for yourself (I'm not your paid intern) the story about Hurts not wanting to do some things on offense that they wanted him to do.

Same with the snippet of him demanding excellence from other players. He thinks he's Michael Jordan perhaps?

Two OC's fired so far. Do you want proof of that?

Two OC's were fired. My guess is it's because the team brass didn't think their performances were good enough. Can you provide a quote from the team that backs up your claim that Jalen is getting them fired? Two OCs also got promotions coaching Jalen.

On the other stuff, I'm going to need to read or hear direct quotes from Jalen, not some subjective interpretation of how he did or didn't answer a question that led to a click bait article based on inference.

Your questions aren't proof of fact.

22 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Two OC's were fired. My guess is it's because the team brass didn't think their performances were good enough. Can you provide a quote from the team that backs up your claim that Jalen is getting them fired? Two OCs also got promotions coaching Jalen.

On the other stuff, I'm going to need to read or hear direct quotes from Jalen, not some subjective interpretation of how he did or didn't answer a question that led to a click bait article based on inference.

Your questions aren't proof of fact.

Your defense is illogical.

You prove or disprove nothing.

Jalen Hurts played too conservative last year, failed to turn it on in the playoffs, and threw into triple coverage to end the Eagles season.

The Jalen Hurts failures on offense was a manifestation of his stubborn approach to what he will and will not do on the field.

He won't do what is asked, what is needed. He won't change his game. And, he won't find the open receiver.

The season ended with big questions about the job security and retention of the OC, the HC, and AJ Brown. Everyone sucks except Jalen Hurts?

And, the question remains about whether the new OC can be successful with Jalen Hurts.

Face it, you are defending inferior play and a player that either cannot grow or refuses to.

1 hour ago, CouchKing said:

Your defense is illogical.

You prove or disprove nothing.

Jalen Hurts played too conservative last year, failed to turn it on in the playoffs, and threw into triple coverage to end the Eagles season.

The Jalen Hurts failures on offense was a manifestation of his stubborn approach to what he will and will not do on the field.

He won't do what is asked, what is needed. He won't change his game. And, he won't find the open receiver.

The season ended with big questions about the job security and retention of the OC, the HC, and AJ Brown. Everyone sucks except Jalen Hurts?

And, the question remains about whether the new OC can be successful with Jalen Hurts.

Face it, you are defending inferior play and a player that either cannot grow or refuses to.

I didn't even make a defense. I asked you to validate your claims with proof, not conjecture.

Right here you said:

1 hour ago, CouchKing said:

The Jalen Hurts failures on offense was a manifestation of his stubborn approach to what he will and will not do on the field.

He won't do what is asked, what is needed. He won't change his game. And, he won't find the open receiver.

So, we now have Brian Johnson and KP, two previously inexperienced OCs that were let go after 1 season as OC here. We also have Shane Steichen and Kellen Moore, 2 OCs that went on to HC jobs. That is 4 OCs that are no longer with the team that could provide a quote about Jalen that backs up your claims as evidence (since they are no longer employed with the Eagles). So why aren't any of them making statements claiming it was difficult to coach here based on Hurts' "stubborn approach" or refusal to "change or do what's needed?" The reason is simple --- it's 100% conjecture on your part.

Every coach will be limited by the strengths and weaknesses of the team. Under Sirianni, the philosophy is to build around the strengths. For 5 seasons Hurts has been the starting QB and the offense is designed around his strengths. So what exactly is he refusing to do? What changes have the coaches required of him other than to protect himself more (as a runner) and to turn the ball over less? Outside of those two things, the offense looks pretty much the same every year. It appears he's doing what is asked of him. Perhaps the new hires will actually ask more of him. Perhaps they will make significant changes. But until somebody does, I don't know how anybody can claim it's Jalen that is refusing to change. He may be doing what he he's comfortable doing, what he wants to do --- but I don't see anybody asking him to do something else. Unless Jalen is the play caller, he's been doing what is asked.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

I didn't even make a defense. I asked you to validate your claims with proof, not conjecture.

Right here you said:

So, we now have Brian Johnson and KP, two previously inexperienced OCs that were let go after 1 season as OC here. We also have Shane Steichen and Kellen Moore, 2 OCs that went on to HC jobs. That is 4 OCs that are no longer with the team that could provide a quote about Jalen that backs up your claims as evidence (since they are no longer employed with the Eagles). So why aren't any of them making statements claiming it was difficult to coach here based on Hurts' "stubborn approach" or refusal to "change or do what's needed?" The reason is simple --- it's 100% conjecture on your part.

Every coach will be limited by the strengths and weaknesses of the team. Under Sirianni, the philosophy is to build around the strengths. For 5 seasons Hurts has been the starting QB and the offense is designed around his strengths. So what exactly is he refusing to do? What changes have the coaches required of him other than to protect himself more (as a runner) and to turn the ball over less? Outside of those two things, the offense looks pretty much the same every year. It appears he's doing what is asked of him. Perhaps the new hires will actually ask more of him. Perhaps they will make significant changes. But until somebody does, I don't know how anybody can claim it's Jalen that is refusing to change. He may be doing what he he's comfortable doing, what he wants to do --- but I don't see anybody asking him to do something else. Unless Jalen is the play caller, he's been doing what is asked.

I think he is referring to the stir created by DGunn and then reiterated on Seth Joyner’s show which basically said that Hurts is "reverting back to his game” instead of the game plan laid out by the OC.

I’ve always been inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to DGunn, but he is also susceptible to being another media guy looking for clickbait. Until there are two sources on the record, it’s not supposed to printed in the traditional and respectable manner of journalism. But those days are long gone. It’s always anonymous sources.

DGunn is a midget toolbag. Always has been. His only "source" was BG. And he had his nose so far up BGs keister that he could taste BGs kidneys.

I see him frequently at a local WaWa here in DE. He's the type of toolbag that wears his sunglasses in a store.

///End rant.......carry on.

4 hours ago, LacesOut said:

DGunn is a midget toolbag. Always has been. His only "source" was BG. And he had his nose so far up BGs keister that he could taste BGs kidneys.

I see him frequently at a local WaWa here in DE. He's the type of toolbag that wears his sunglasses in a store.

///End rant.......carry on.

Maybe he thinks he's in the Matrix.

I am trying to figure out this propaganda driven wizardry in the pocket that guys like Goff, Herbert, and Stafford have.

They can theoretically make all the throws, they just never do.

Its really hard to find something that does not exist.

Career passing TD %

Lamar 6.5% (5th)

Purdy 6.2% (does not qualify yet)

Rodgers 6.0% (10th)

Wilson 5.8% (18th)

Mahomes 5.7% (21st)

Burrow 5.6% (23rd)

Love 5.4% (27th)

Allen 5.4% (32nd)

Watson 5.3% (34th)

Dak 5.1% (46th)

Cousins 5.1% (51st)

Baker 5.0% (55th)

Garoppolo 5.0 (58th)

Tua 5.0% (59th)

Goff 4.9% (63rd)

Stafford 4.8% (66th)

Herbert 4.7% (77th)

Hurts 4.6% (78th)

Wentz 4.5% (79th)

Darnold 4.3% (103rd)

Murray 4.1% (130th)

Geno 4.0% (142nd)

Lawrence 3.8% (165th)

Mac Jones 3.6% (181st)

Career Yards Per Pass Attempt

Garoppolo 8.2 (3rd)

Lamar 7.8 (10th)

Watson 7.8 (12th)

Mahomes 7.7 (15th)

Wilson 7.7 (18th)

Goff 7.6 (26th)

Rodgers 7.6 (27th)

Cousins 7.6 (28th)

Dak 7.6 (29th)

Love 7.6 (31st)

Tua 7.5 (36th)

Mariota 7.5 (37th)

Hurts 7.5 (39th)

Burrow 7.4 (47th)

Allen 7.4 (52nd)

Stafford 7.4 (53rd)

Baker 7.2 (68th)

Herbert 7.2 (74th)

Darnold 7.2 (76th)

Murray 7.0 (119th)

Lawrence 6.9 (142nd)

Mac Jones 6.9 (147th)