1 hour ago, MR-CYN said:

If Hurts isn't going to run anymore he's no longer going to be successful without a defense and RB carrying him. He's not putting a team on his back with his passing game. I was one of his biggest supporters but he is what he is. Without his running ability he's really not even jag at the QB position.

samsies, my little cynnabon!

Hurts running has regressed, so if he's not a dual threat anymore then he's just an average passer with some spurts of good throws and one of his strengths in deep passes (which his WRs dropped a lot this year).

He gets 1 more year with a new OC who better be a competent hire who knows how to run an offense and try to get the most out of the roster. Then after next season blow it up. Hurts, AJ maybe some O linemen, gone. Rebuild the offense the way they rebuilt the defense under competent coaching. Don't waste a great defense and Fangio's last coaching years.

Im still on the mckee train. Dudes throws for 250 with scrubs. Hurts can barely scrape by 160.

Next season. OC should force hurts to use his legs more because hes certainly not a pure pocket passer. No more of this hurts opts not to run bs. Youre being paid a lot, use all of the tools.

Lol at all the Hurts haters coming out of the woodwork.

He didn’t have a great season and deserves his share of blame. But the OC sucked and the Eagles were clearly beat up and drained after the Super Bowl run.

Look at what Stafford did after his Super Bowl win.

Get an experienced half decent coordinator and try and keep him for at least a couple of years for continuity. I’m confident Jalen will bounce back.

They would always say he comes up big when it matters in the playoffs and that's what differentiates him from every other current QB

He didn't this time. Game on the line and he throws into freaking triple coverage

Im still on the mckee train. Dudes throws for 250 with scrubs. Hurts can barely scrape by 160.

Next season. OC should force hurts to use his legs more because hes certainly not a pure pocket passer. No more of this hurts opts not to run bs. Youre being paid a lot, use all of the tools.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Lol at all the Hurts haters coming out of the woodwork.

He didn’t have a great season and deserves his share of blame. But the OC sucked and the Eagles were clearly beat up and drained after the Super Bowl run.

Look at what Stafford did after his Super Bowl win.

Get an experienced half decent coordinator and try and keep him for at least a couple of years for continuity. I’m confident Jalen will bounce back.

Hurts haters.

The guy wasnt that good under moore as well. Wildly inconsistent arm. Thankfully run game and defense was running on god mode and he caught lightning in a bottle in the SB.

lets compare his 2025 stats to jacoby Brissetts whos surrounded by scrubs.

Identical. Maybe we can trade for brissett since we're content with MID qb play and we can save a F ton on cap.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Lol at all the Hurts haters coming out of the woodwork.

He didn’t have a great season and deserves his share of blame. But the OC sucked and the Eagles were clearly beat up and drained after the Super Bowl run.

Look at what Stafford did after his Super Bowl win.

Get an experienced half decent coordinator and try and keep him for at least a couple of years for continuity. I’m confident Jalen will bounce back.

WHY does anyone who criticize him have to be a "hater???" I don't get that at all...I think we all want what's best for the team and some of us see some glaring issues that have BEEN THERE THE ENTIRE TIME and choose not to ignore it because he brought us home a Lombardi. But seriously, half his game is predicated on if he runs and he has stopped doing that and look at his stats since he has....he has been very inconsistent in the pocket, indecisive and is no longer a running threat because he does not want to be known as a running QB (although since he has been in the league thats exactly what he is and has been)....no one is "hating" because we are calling it out. Brock Purdy sat up there and did more with less weapons...it's called being a QB in the NFL....

5 hours ago, MR-CYN said:

If Hurts isn't going to run anymore he's no longer going to be successful without a defense and RB carrying him. He's not putting a team on his back with his passing game. I was one of his biggest supporters but he is what he is. Without his running ability he's really not even jag at the QB position.

Hurts not running removes one of his best skills as a player. Maybe they forced him to this to prevent him from running to hope he develops more as a passer. I just wonder if these are the coaches capable of making that type of development. I don’t see them as, but I also look at Chicago and I see how a coaching change can make all the difference in the development of a quarterback. I ask myself specifically on offense (and excluding Stoutland) Who really has Nick and the coaches really developed? Kenny Gainwell?

1 hour ago, GeorgeM37 said:

WHY does anyone who criticize him have to be a "hater???" I don't get that at all...I think we all want what's best for the team and some of us see some glaring issues that have BEEN THERE THE ENTIRE TIME and choose not to ignore it because he brought us home a Lombardi. But seriously, half his game is predicated on if he runs and he has stopped doing that and look at his stats since he has....he has been very inconsistent in the pocket, indecisive and is no longer a running threat because he does not want to be known as a running QB (although since he has been in the league thats exactly what he is and has been)....no one is "hating" because we are calling it out. Brock Purdy sat up there and did more with less weapons...it's called being a QB in the NFL....

There’s a difference between criticism and calling for Tanner Mckee.

Hurts has been good every time he’s had a competent OC and he has to deal with a new one/playcaller every year.

Most teams have a down year after a Super Bowl appearance.

31 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

There’s a difference between criticism and calling for Tanner Mckee.

Hurts has been good every time he’s had a competent OC and he has to deal with a new one/playcaller every year.

Most teams have a down year after a Super Bowl appearance.

Not calling for Tanner McKee at all....and I do realize he has had a new OC every single year and I already said elsewhere on here that its very hard to get to the superbowl after winning one. But for him to not want to run the ball anymore is insane to me when its been part of his game since he started playing....the other issues he has cannot keep being ignored either....not reading defenses, one read and then bailing out of the pocket, etc....thats all I was saying...the issues either get fixed, adjusted or we are just going to see more of the same....

24 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Not calling for Tanner McKee at all....and I do realize he has had a new OC every single year and I already said elsewhere on here that its very hard to get to the superbowl after winning one. But for him to not want to run the ball anymore is insane to me when its been part of his game since he started playing....the other issues he has cannot keep being ignored either....not reading defenses, one read and then bailing out of the pocket, etc....thats all I was saying...the issues either get fixed, adjusted or we are just going to see more of the same....

I mean you liked a post with the poster saying he was on the Mckee train.

A lot of the other stuff is from 2021. We’ve seen Hurts have an all pro season and carry the team to 10-1 in 2023 with no defense or Barkley before it fell apart.

He mostly played really well in 2024, especially in the big two games.

And you have no evidence saying he doesn’t want to run anymore.

He wasn’t great this year but has built up credit and is our franchise quarterback

1 minute ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I mean you liked a post with the poster saying he was on the Mckee train.

A lot of the other stuff is from 2021. We’ve seen Hurts have an all pro season and carry the team to 10-1 in 2023 with no defense or Barkley before it fell apart.

He mostly played really well in 2024, especially in the big two games.

And you have no evidence saying he doesn’t want to run anymore.

He wasn’t great this year but has built up credit and is our franchise quarterback

So because I liked what he said means I am on the Mckee train, eh? Alrighty then...and I am not going to dig up when Hurts said that because you can do it yourself but I didn't just make it up out of thin air....have a great rest of your night....I am going to respectfully back out of this conversation with you.....

9 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Lol at all the Hurts haters coming out of the woodwork.

He didn’t have a great season and deserves his share of blame. But the OC sucked and the Eagles were clearly beat up and drained after the Super Bowl run.

Look at what Stafford did after his Super Bowl win.

Get an experienced half decent coordinator and try and keep him for at least a couple of years for continuity. I’m confident Jalen will bounce back.

I think some of the criticism is correct, though. Especially regarding the running. I don't think he has "regressed" as a runner, but has been looking to pass too long on plays where he should run. On scrambles, almost every time he waits until there's a defender behind him closing the gap at full speed and he's just never been a quick runner in terms of acceleration. So he gets caught before he gets up to speed --- usually for no gain or a short loss. Earlier in his career, he would bail on the pass play early and there wasn't someone running him down from behind.

The problem with extending pass plays like he did this year is the WRs aren't really doing scramble drill concepts and often aren't even looking. If he would take the immediate check down instead of rolling to the side, he wouldn't need to throw the ball away. There would be an opportunity for a short gain at the very least. But when he rolls out, that check down disappears.

Those throw aways and the early slides are making our 2nd and 3rd downs less manageable.

Now ... these are all things Jalen can learn from if he wants to. I still believe he'll get better, as I always have believed QBs don't really get to their best years until years 7-8 in the league. There are so many lessons to learn along the way.

p.s. I don't buy that this team was "drained." Look at Jordan Davis ... and the entire defense for that matter. The offense got plenty of rest all year going 3 and out.

Hurts is a good QB. I am not ready to move on from him its very hard to find a good QB and he is entrenched in the team and culture. And I see a lot of blame laid at his feet when none of us know whether it is from him or Sirianni. Here is what I feel like I am comfortable saying I see:

• He misses some reads - but so does every QB in the league even elite ones.

• He abandons the pocket sometimes earlier than he should and doesn't step up sometimes - so does every other QB even elite ones especially when they don't trust the OL and/or don't have good hot reads. Which offense has had OT out this year and crap hot reads?

• He has a really good deep ball.

• I haven't seen a single throw he isn't capable of making - deep balls, far hash outs, deep outs, deep crossers. He makes them all. Does he have an off platform lazer? No.

• He can be very accurate. I have seen him fit the ball into tight windows.

• He can throw in-breaking routes and he can throw across the middle.

• He can run the ball at a high level

• He can do all the oline calls and adjustments now that Kelce retired.

• He protects the ball well but maybe he is a bit too conservative. But Sirianni preaches conservative beyond reason and I believe it has infected the ability to grow and make mistakes.

Damn that's a pretty good list. If I go look at Purdy and Stafford for example, their seasons are littered with multi-interception games. Makes sense to me as they throw the types of routes that have more interception risk (see over the middle).
But guess what. You don't IMPROVE at something if you don't actually do it to get the game reps. And if you don't get the reps not only don't you improve, but when you NEED to use it it isn't what it could be.

Guess whose fault that is? SIRIANNI's. His stupid Fing obsession with low risk offensive play calls not only neutered the offense to vanilla crap, but it neutered the growth of the offense. And it has stunted Hurts' growth IMO.
I think Hurts is capable of a lot more. Will it come with more mistakes? Yep. But it will grow the offense into some fun as F to watch and will be way more effective. Especially coupled with a Fangio D.

Hurt's stats are actually pretty good if you realize he gets almost nothing from YAC compared too QBs like Stafford and Purdy. It is an absolute joke.

I am done with watching Sirianni's dogshit offensive philosophy. And it is HIS. And if we get a good OC and watch a couple seasons of Hurts unleashed, and it is a total shitshow? Then the answer is clear. It is a damn shame we are going into year 6 and that answer isn't already clear. That is a Sirianni failure.

But guess who kinda stunk it up so bad they drafted Rivers to replace him? Drew Brees. 5 years with the Chargers before he got traded and went HOF in New Orleans. And no monster arm. And shorter than Jalen Hurts. And threw it over the middle.

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I think some of the criticism is correct, though. Especially regarding the running. I don't think he has "regressed" as a runner, but has been looking to pass too long on plays where he should run. On scrambles, almost every time he waits until there's a defender behind him closing the gap at full speed and he's just never been a quick runner in terms of acceleration. So he gets caught before he gets up to speed --- usually for no gain or a short loss. Earlier in his career, he would bail on the pass play early and there wasn't someone running him down from behind.

The problem with extending pass plays like he did this year is the WRs aren't really doing scramble drill concepts and often aren't even looking. If he would take the immediate check down instead of rolling to the side, he wouldn't need to throw the ball away. There would be an opportunity for a short gain at the very least. But when he rolls out, that check down disappears.

Those throw aways and the early slides are making our 2nd and 3rd downs less manageable.

Now ... these are all things Jalen can learn from if he wants to. I still believe he'll get better, as I always have believed QBs don't really get to their best years until years 7-8 in the league. There are so many lessons to learn along the way.

p.s. I don't buy that this team was "drained." Look at Jordan Davis ... and the entire defense for that matter. The offense got plenty of rest all year going 3 and out.

Yes all valid - Hurts did not have a great year. I agree with your points and I hope with a good OC that Hurts can work on some of these points. He doesn’t necessarily need to run more - but smarter as you say.

I do disagree with the drained point however. Yes Jordan Davis played well, but quite simply he didn’t play much last year. He was rarely at 50% of snaps and in the playoffs was generally playing about 25/30 percent. Look at the Carter regression and injuries. They played him into the ground last year. And the O-Line was clearly beat up and pretty ineffective for most of the year.

There is also the mental aspect.

Ultimately, Hurts is paid to be a great QB. There will always be excuse makers for Hurts (as there were for Wentz and McNabb) but ultimately, did he have a great season?

Hurts had a good season statistically, but he wasn’t special. And with the talent around him, any JAG could have put up similar stats with this talent.

The 2025 version of Hurts was a very well paid JAG.

Hurts needs to get back to what made him such a top QB and that is running the ball.

From what he’s said it wasn’t his decision to move away from the run and he made the best of the year… So we can only hope that next year he’s going to get back to being that dual threat QB.

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Hurts needs to get back to what made him such a top QB and that is running the ball.

From what he’s said it wasn’t his decision to move away from the run and he made the best of the year… So we can only hope that next year he’s going to get back to being that dual threat QB.

I have heard the opposite today, that Hurts was the one that wanted to limit the running, and is more about image than doing what got him there. WIP said this morning that they have nicknamed him little Jordan in the locker room, and it is not a compliment.

I'm just going to leave this here. If it weren't for Howies great pick of Jalen Hurts, he wouldn't have been able to accumulate all of this wealth of talent that resulted in two Super Bowl Appearances with a win even with musical chairs at OC practically every year. They are still benefiting from this move. Put some respect on both of their names you weirdos. There's a reason why other elite talents can't get a good team created around them. Hurts allowed that to happen. 9ers were able make similar moves with Purdy but ... they didn't win it! So in the words of Delightful Dereck... 'suck my fat one'.

2 hours ago, Lambo said:

I have heard the opposite today, that Hurts was the one that wanted to limit the running, and is more about image than doing what got him there. WIP said this morning that they have nicknamed him little Jordan in the locker room, and it is not a compliment.

Interesting… I saw this…

23 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

There’s a difference between criticism and calling for Tanner Mckee.

Hurts has been good every time he’s had a competent OC and he has to deal with a new one/playcaller every year.

Most teams have a down year after a Super Bowl appearance.

Hurts was solid under steichen. Could be that hurts was a fresh starter and the league didnt have tape on him.

Under moore eagles pass offense was ranked 29th. I wouldn't say thats very good. Being a dual threat helped the run game thrive. Now he wants to use his legs less and evolve into a pocket passer? He can hardly get through his first progression without panic and being flushed to the right and throwing it away.

3 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

Hurts was solid under steichen. Could be that hurts was a fresh starter and the league didnt have tape on him.

Under moore eagles pass offense was ranked 29th. I wouldn't say thats very good. Being a dual threat helped the run game thrive. Now he wants to use his legs less and evolve into a pocket passer? He can hardly get through his first progression without panic and being flushed to the right and throwing it away.

And Barkley had one of the 10 best seasons in NFL history.

Just now, Lambo said:

And Barkley had one of the 10 best seasons in NFL history.

Also thanks to hurts ability to run. Which he did effectively.

Once his athleticism fades from aging, wear and tear, or him deciding i dont want to rush as much to prolong my career. Then what? The hurts cow has been milked.

Hurts has regressed, and if he's not a dual threat anymore then he's an average passer who at times hits a streak, and does usually throw good deep passes. His WRs seemed to have a lot of drops.

The OC was the worst of his NFL tenure. Hurts showed in 2021 and 2022 that he is capable of doing a lot of things that people insist he can't. Coaching matters. In 2023 Brian Johnson wasn't good, but he was better than Patullo. Hurts actually had career high pass yards that year, but he also had career high INTs. Siri shrunk to a conservative style afraid of turnovers and they relied on the run game and Barkley last year. We complained about the pass game a lot last year as well.

An average passer who doesn't run anymore paired with a bafoon at OC is a recipe for disaster. The O line and receivers were critical of the offense too. Hurts yesterday said the offense lacked consistency, sequencing, flow and everyone being on the same page. That's coaching.

They're stuck with Hurts so they need an OC closer to Steichen level: get the most out of this roster. Once Hurts contract makes it less of a problem (a year or two) and if he's not improved a lot then they can move on. Siri needs a Philip Rivers and a great OC to run the offense. He's incapable of fixing anything on offense and needs a quality OC to run things.

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

Hurts has regressed, and if he's not a dual threat anymore then he's an average passer who at times hits a streak, and does usually throw good deep passes. His WRs seemed to have a lot of drops.

The OC was the worst of his NFL tenure. Hurts showed in 2021 and 2022 that he is capable of doing a lot of things that people insist he can't. Coaching matters. In 2023 Brian Johnson wasn't good, but he was better than Patullo. Hurts actually had career high pass yards that year, but he also had career high INTs. Siri shrunk to a conservative style afraid of turnovers and they relied on the run game and Barkley last year. We complained about the pass game a lot last year as well.

An average passer who doesn't run anymore paired with a bafoon at OC is a recipe for disaster. The O line and receivers were critical of the offense too. Hurts yesterday said the offense lacked consistency, sequencing, flow and everyone being on the same page. That's coaching.

They're stuck with Hurts so they need an OC closer to Steichen level: get the most out of this roster. Once Hurts contract makes it less of a problem (a year or two) and if he's not improved a lot then they can move on. Siri needs a Philip Rivers and a great OC to run the offense. He's incapable of fixing anything on offense and needs a quality OC to run things.

I am always arguing that QB is a position, not a style. There have been better passers than Hurts every year. But there is a lesser number of better QBs than Hurts over that span. Steichen had the advantage of coaching Jalen before the extension. It was clear in the very first game of 2023 that the Eagles decided to "protect the investment and mandated he avoid hits as a runner.

The offense this year absolutely needed Jalen to be a running threat. I really don't believe the people that are claiming it's Jalen's decision to run less. It was true with McNabb, but here, I believe it's a FO decision. I don't even really believe it was a KP decision. KP was probably just doing what the boss man told him to do on that topic (Keep Jalen Healthy). For most of the season, even our money play, the tush push, was re-invented to almost exclusively use hard counts in an attempt to get the yardage via penalty instead of putting wear and tear on Jalen. Nobody was biting and we were actually getting false starts called on us instead, making the play a liability.

Now there are a lot of positives about Jalen. If it was true that he hates running and wants to pass, pass, pass ... then he needs to keep working on that element. He can quit wasting time weightlifting, and use that time to work on things that relate to passing. We've already seen him greatly improve his accuracy as a pro. He's worked on his technique and made improvements there. He could, IMO, if he wanted to, become a better pure passer if he put in the work --- something he's known for (working hard).