On 1/14/2026 at 3:32 PM, NOTW said:

I think the Eagles are a perfect team with the roster and lifer GM they have to experiment with this. Take the QB factory to the next level. I don't think a QB should get such a huge contract just because teams are afraid of not finding a replacement. Daniel Jones, Brock Purdy, Tua, etc. Teams are wasting salary on guys that don't deliver because they're scared of failing at finding another QB. But that is an interesting idea, to utilize QBs on rookie contracts. It used to be that QBs would take 3-4 years to really become good in the NFL. But now they are expected to perform right away.

So for example in a year or 2 if the Eagles move on from Hurts, you have a decent backup (free agent, draft pick like McKee type) and you add a top QB in the 1st round to a roster that has a great defense, good O line and some weapons (and hopefully a good Offensive Coordinator). If the QB is a top QB in the league, pay him. If he's not, don't overpay.

I think they are one of the worst teams to try this. Their meddling useless moron of a head coach knows nothing.

He is 3-4 without Hurts so lets get more without Hurts?

Hurts makes up for so many of his failings. A Siri offense without Hurts is 2 weeks of Minshew in 2022 and McKee 2025.

Hurts was 15-2 with that team and replacement level+ Minshew was 0-2.

McKee was so bad he cost himself 15-25 million dollars.

Its insane that people don't get this.

Part of me wants them to trade Hurts and AJ to Minny or Indy so I can watch them compete for titles

Morons then get to see the 8-9 teams that they so desperately wanted in Philly.

Hurts is an elite efficiency passer: TD to INT ratio, TDs to turnovers, passer rating, next gen stats...

He also has the running ability to pressure a defense (if the OC is not brain dead) and to escape pressure

He is also the rarest of people on this planet, the high pressure QB who thrives in that pressure.

Foles was another one, Brady too.

Manning sure as hell was not. Marino and Kelly were not.

So Hurts has all of that. You go back to the draft grab bag and you are more likely to pull out Bobby Hoying, Andy Dalton, or Justin Fields.

A Goff or Darnold would suck here.

A Purdy would only be good when the OC was awesome and he stops Siri from meddling. You would see 7-10 instead of 11-5 in the off years.

Purdy would never be Hurts in the biggest games.

As bad as everything was last week, he still needed his WR to throw a TD and the refs to ignore holding.

Josh Allen had 29 TDs to 18 picks passing in 2023.

There was no cult of Trubisky or lets move on and draft clown society.

Getting the right QB1 is the hardest thing to find in football.

Why can’t he be our quarterback!?! Why can’t our quarterback turn the ball over four times( fumbled three times) and everyone else get blamed?

Seahawk just destroyedd the 49ers an put up 40 pts

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Why can’t he be our quarterback!?! Why can’t our quarterback turn the ball over four times( fumbled three times) and everyone else get blamed?

Hurts has way more talent around him for years. 2 #1 WR's and a top 5 TE. and can only manage a 150 yards a game through the air. Even against bad defenses. There's never been another offense like that in NFL.

On 1/17/2026 at 7:22 PM, LacesOut said:

I think I would get rid of a Coach before dumping a player. IMO, Hurts still has an untapped, upside in him. Just need the right Coach, scheme, play calling, etc., to get it fully out and on display consistently.

21 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Why can’t he be our quarterback!?! Why can’t our quarterback turn the ball over four times( fumbled three times) and everyone else get blamed?

17 hours ago, Swimm said:

Seahawk just destroyedd the 49ers an put up 40 pts

Hurts has way more talent around him for years. 2 #1 WR's and a top 5 TE. and can only manage a 150 yards a game through the air. Even against bad defenses. There's never been another offense like that in NFL.

Yeah Seahawks destroyed the 49ers. Look at what Darnold did. 124 yards passing 2 sacks and no rushing yards. Hurts would have been crucified on here for that.

Brown unfortunately has been a liability this year. Hopefully that changes.

As LacesOut says, it’s possible that Hurts could develop further. Look at what happened the last time he had a competent coordinator 2 years in a row. If the Eagles can get this hire right and somehow keep him for 2-3 years then it’s very possible we could see 2022 Hurts again.

On 1/15/2026 at 1:50 PM, proveagle said:

If you watched any of the games or any of the good analysis online from real NFL pros its very obvious the issues with the offense as a whole was a combination of things but the core issue is clear as day: COACHING.

Play design, scheme, route combinations, playcalling. We all know these are the core issues.

But how much of that design is because of Jalen's strengths/weaknesses and what he's comfortable doing or wants to do? I think we really need to include that in the discussion. You can look at all the OCs we've had under Sirianni and the offensive scheme just hasn't changed much from year to year. The only time we saw Hurts used differently was under Doug Pederson.

On 1/18/2026 at 10:47 AM, Swimm said:

Seahawk just destroyedd the 49ers an put up 40 pts

Hurts has way more talent around him for years. 2 #1 WR's and a top 5 TE. and can only manage a 150 yards a game through the air. Even against bad defenses. There's never been another offense like that in NFL.

Didn’t Josh have the leading rusher in football? Wasn’t all of his supposed real opponents gone? This is what I miss though. Didn’t he have Diggs at some point in his career? This is why we need this guy! That way we can make excuses and blame everyone but him for failures! Just like the old days with Wentz.

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

But how much of that design is because of Jalen's strengths/weaknesses and what he's comfortable doing or wants to do? I think we really need to include that in the discussion. You can look at all the OCs we've had under Sirianni and the offensive scheme just hasn't changed much from year to year. The only time we saw Hurts used differently was under Doug Pederson.

I think the positive is that this year and the end of 2023 has been the only time the offense has been bad with Hurts since his breakout year.

It’s a great opportunity for whoever takes the OC job. They should be able to get this back to a top 10 offense with the talent (although we desperately need some reinforcements on the O-Line)

16 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I think the positive is that this year and the end of 2023 has been the only time the offense has been bad with Hurts since his breakout year.

It’s a great opportunity for whoever takes the OC job. They should be able to get this back to a top 10 offense with the talent (although we desperately need some reinforcements on the O-Line)

The offense in 2023 wasn't the problem and really didn't look bad. It ended up ranked 7th in points and 8th in yards. The defense in 2023 was terrible and kept putting the offense in bad situations late in games. We limited the turnovers since the 2023 season and had 1 really good year (2024) and then this season which was bad. The big difference between 2024 and 2025 was the decline in rushing. The offense was unable to make up for the deficiency by passing.

IMO, the biggest reason for the decline was player execution and it's stupid to try to find one player to point the finger at. There is a lot of criticism of the offense we run --- especially when we see a decline in production like we did. I believe it is fair to ask how much of the "system" this team has used is because of what Jalen can do or wants to do. I believe it works when the team execution is good, but there are more traditional concepts that we don't do that we see less talented teams have more success with. We should be asking why, with all the different OCs we've had, we are always doing the same thing with little to no change year after year.

On 1/17/2026 at 1:22 PM, LacesOut said:

I think I would get rid of a Coach before dumping a player. IMO, Hurts still has an untapped, upside in him. Just need the right Coach, scheme, play calling, etc., to get it fully out and on display consistently.

I don't think there's any untapped potential anymore but I definitely agree we need a coach that'll get the most out of him. Both the coach and Hurts need to stop being scared and take chances but I think that's a Nick thing so that'll probably still get pounded into the ground

Really I think it’s time to move on from Hurts. It’s time to get back to the quarterback throwing into triple coverage and the fans blaming the receivers for not being good enough again. I mean why can’t we have a quarterback who can have a five turnover level game in the post season and everyone but him be blamed again? Why can’t we have a guy who every season gets bounced in the first round and has gotten like three head coaches fired too? Who needs a guy who has been to 2 super bowls in four years? Let’s go give up our entire draft for Herbert I say! We need some of that one and done love all the time around here too. Who needs this Super Bowl or out the first round stuff anymore anyway?

Better still let’s just bring back Wentz. Who needs the playoffs at all?

On 1/14/2026 at 4:32 PM, NOTW said:

I think the Eagles are a perfect team with the roster and lifer GM they have to experiment with this. Take the QB factory to the next level. I don't think a QB should get such a huge contract just because teams are afraid of not finding a replacement. Daniel Jones, Brock Purdy, Tua, etc. Teams are wasting salary on guys that don't deliver because they're scared of failing at finding another QB. But that is an interesting idea, to utilize QBs on rookie contracts. It used to be that QBs would take 3-4 years to really become good in the NFL. But now they are expected to perform right away.

So for example in a year or 2 if the Eagles move on from Hurts, you have a decent backup (free agent, draft pick like McKee type) and you add a top QB in the 1st round to a roster that has a great defense, good O line and some weapons (and hopefully a good Offensive Coordinator). If the QB is a top QB in the league, pay him. If he's not, don't overpay.

How could Howie justify letting his starting quarterback simply walk out the door for another rookie or a journeyman? I mean if you find a guy who takes them to a championship, that guy goes someplace else and leads them to a championship, the fan base, and the owner would be livid. Yes rookie contracts for quarterbacks is attractive and allows the team to build up the roster, but that’s a big ask to simply let that person walk out the door. I could see this being a thought if after the Eagles paid their quarterback, the team won just 6-9 games a season, but they’re winning 11 or more games a season. I mean let’s keep it real for a moment. If Josh Allen were the Eagles quarterback, you’re letting him walk out the door when you have to pay him? What in someone like Tanner McKee’s career so far makes you

believe the Eagles can win with him? When your team implodes like the Dolphins, or the Giants did then sure you can walk away from the quarterback and the coach for that matter, but changing a quarterback for change sake isn’t really a recipe for success. Consider the two greatest organizations over the past few decades basically had the same quarterback and coach.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

How could Howie justify letting his starting quarterback simply walk out the door for another rookie or a journeyman? I mean if you find a guy who takes them to a championship, that guy goes someplace else and leads them to a championship, the fan base, and the owner would be livid. Yes rookie contracts for quarterbacks is attractive and allows the team to build up the roster, but that’s a big ask to simply let that person walk out the door. I could see this being a thought if after the Eagles paid their quarterback, the team won just 6-9 games a season, but they’re winning 11 or more games a season. I mean let’s keep it real for a moment. If Josh Allen were the Eagles quarterback, you’re letting him walk out the door when you have to pay him? What in someone like Tanner McKee’s career so far makes you

believe the Eagles can win with him? When your team implodes like the Dolphins, or the Giants did then sure you can walk away from the quarterback and the coach for that matter, but changing a quarterback for change sake isn’t really a recipe for success. Consider the two greatest organizations over the past few decades basically had the same quarterback and coach.

"Simply walk out the door?" Huh? I'm talking future, once it's viable to trade Hurts. I'm not saying they should or will, it's just an idea of how the Eagles - and other teams - could keep QBs on rookie deals until they prove themselves rather than giving such high contracts. It's less about Hurts specifically and more about the QB position contracts.

Lurie also fired Doug after winning the organization's first SB, and traded away McNabb and Wentz. He's not afraid of big decisions.

5 minutes ago, NOTW said:

"Simply walk out the door?" Huh? I'm talking future, once it's viable to trade Hurts. I'm not saying they should or will, it's just an idea of how the Eagles - and other teams - could keep QBs on rookie deals until they prove themselves rather than giving such high contracts. It's less about Hurts specifically and more about the QB position contracts.

Lurie also fired Doug after winning the organization's first SB, and traded away McNabb and Wentz. He's not afraid of big decisions.

I get the concept overall I do, but I don’t see how you trade/release/let walk out the door any quarterback that’s providing success. Making the wrong choice could set the franchise back for decades. I mean look at Cleveland and they haven’t found a quarterback yet despite signing them, drafting them, and trading for them. It’s a risky endeavor in my humble opinion.

10 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I get the concept overall I do, but I don’t see how you trade/release/let walk out the door any quarterback that’s providing success. Making the wrong choice could set the franchise back for decades. I mean look at Cleveland and they haven’t found a quarterback yet despite signing them, drafting them, and trading for them. It’s a risky endeavor in my humble opinion.

What you just described is EXACTLY why teams overpay for average QBs.

For Hurts specifically, it depends on next season and who they hire for OC. If Hurts has a bounce back year and the offense performs, of course he stays. But if he's regressed and the new OC doesn't appear to be the issue, he and Nick could both be gone. We'll see. Again, this is more general for the entire NFL. The SB starting QBs this year are Drake Maye and Sam Darnold. Who's at home? Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar...

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

What you just described is EXACTLY why teams overpay for average QBs.

For Hurts specifically, it depends on next season and who they hire for OC. If Hurts has a bounce back year and the offense performs, of course he stays. But if he's regressed and the new OC doesn't appear to be the issue, he and Nick could both be gone. We'll see. Again, this is more general for the entire NFL. The SB starting QBs this year are Drake Maye and Sam Darnold. Who's at home? Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar...

What are we on now on his 6th play caller in his professional career? How many quarterbacks are consistent or successful with that many coaching changes? Arguably Jalen’s best season came when he had consecutive years with the same OC. How the Eagles are going about this creates most of these issues. Coming off a SB victory you had the keys of this offense over to a guy completely in over his head. Even though he’s been in the building who on that offense really has any respect enough to listen to him? This constant change of playcallers to me is the biggest issue with this team. This is the downside of hiring Sirianni or these coaches who don’t call plays. I know you brought up who’s home right now, but can we be certain Darnold or Maye are mainstays? You know how this goes though. You get your guys to the SB and you’re going to get paid. Look what happened to Minny by letting Darnold walk. They went from a 14 win team to going with a rookie contract and journeyman quarterbacks leading up to 9 wins.

Just FYI - in 17 seasons Stafford has 1 SB win and 1 media narrative close team (who for some reason struggled vs the 8-9 team twice and was +2 points in the playoffs)

Stafford threw a bloop deep ball directly to Jaquiski Tartt in his previous NFCCG. It was dropped. Stafford choked but got very lucky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1DOukhPHiE&t=2s

Brett Favre would look at that throw and ask Stafford what the hell he was doing.

Stafford had 9 turnover worthy plays in the 2025 playoffs.

• a pick vs Carolina

• 2 fumbles and 3 dropped picks vs Chicago

• 1 fumble and 2 dropped picks vs Seattle

He choked at the end vs Philly last year.

He was an interception drop and a taunting penalty away from being down 18 late in the NFCCG.

He had 2 picks in the Super Bowl but his D carried him.

Stafford is another QB who will never have what Hurts has in the big games.

Morons can pretend that Stafford is great and Hurts is limited. Their narrative doesn't change anything.

6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

What are we on now on his 6th play caller in his professional career? How many quarterbacks are consistent or successful with that many coaching changes? Arguably Jalen’s best season came when he had consecutive years with the same OC. How the Eagles are going about this creates most of these issues. Coming off a SB victory you had the keys of this offense over to a guy completely in over his head. Even though he’s been in the building who on that offense really has any respect enough to listen to him? This constant change of playcallers to me is the biggest issue with this team. This is the downside of hiring Sirianni or these coaches who don’t call plays. I know you brought up who’s home right now, but can we be certain Darnold or Maye are mainstays? You know how this goes though. You get your guys to the SB and you’re going to get paid. Look what happened to Minny by letting Darnold walk. They went from a 14 win team to going with a rookie contract and journeyman quarterbacks leading up to 9 wins.

They don't even need to have all the changes to struggle.

Look at Stafford 2022-2024 - 22-18 record with a 91.8 passer rating as a career zero in the run game.

Look at Marino 1988-1989 14-18 record, 52 TDs to 45 picks

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm

Look at Montana 82-83 and the 1985-87 playoffs.

Rivers was 60-68 as a starter from 2010-2017

Brees was 30-28 as a starter and replaced in San Diego.

Brees had 5 losing seasons in New Orleans.

Playing QB in the NFL is hard.

11 hours ago, SkippyX said:

They don't even need to have all the changes to struggle.

Look at Stafford 2022-2024 - 22-18 record with a 91.8 passer rating as a career zero in the run game.

Look at Marino 1988-1989 14-18 record, 52 TDs to 45 picks

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm

Look at Montana 82-83 and the 1985-87 playoffs.

Rivers was 60-68 as a starter from 2010-2017

Brees was 30-28 as a starter and replaced in San Diego.

Brees had 5 losing seasons in New Orleans.

Playing QB in the NFL is hard.

And when the offense is constantly in flux how can we expect proper development? Not exactly the best situation to be in, nevertheless Jalen still finds a way to make the playoffs.

12 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Just FYI - in 17 seasons Stafford has 1 SB win and 1 media narrative close team (who for some reason struggled vs the 8-9 team twice and was +2 points in the playoffs)

Stafford threw a bloop deep ball directly to Jaquiski Tartt in his previous NFCCG. It was dropped. Stafford choked but got very lucky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1DOukhPHiE&t=2s

Brett Favre would look at that throw and ask Stafford what the hell he was doing.

Stafford had 9 turnover worthy plays in the 2025 playoffs.

• a pick vs Carolina

• 2 fumbles and 3 dropped picks vs Chicago

• 1 fumble and 2 dropped picks vs Seattle

He choked at the end vs Philly last year.

He was an interception drop and a taunting penalty away from being down 18 late in the NFCCG.

He had 2 picks in the Super Bowl but his D carried him.

Stafford is another QB who will never have what Hurts has in the big games.

Morons can pretend that Stafford is great and Hurts is limited. Their narrative doesn't change anything.

Hopefully Hurts is playing like Stafford in year 17.

I don't see the reason to knock every other QB in the NFL just to make Hurts seem better.

6 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Hopefully Hurts is playing like Stafford in year 17.

I don't see the reason to knock every other QB in the NFL just to make Hurts seem better.

Well considering the Eagles own fans and Philly media go out their way to minimize the achievements of Hurts and overly exaggerate his failures it seems fair. I mean why are we crying for other teams players? On a side note it is very unlikely Jalen Hurts remains an Eagle for 17 year (though not impossible) so if he’s not an Eagle I don’t really care how well he is or isn’t playing at that point.

I don't want Hurts to have 9 turnover worthy plays in the playoffs and badly missing an open deep guy at any age.

2 hours ago, SkippyX said:

I don't want Hurts to have 9 turnover worthy plays in the playoffs and badly missing an open deep guy at any age.

If he makes enough plays to help us get wins, I really don't care. He doesn't have to be the top passer or the top QB in the league. I'm perfectly fine with him being inside or near the top 10 when he's playing his best. As long as he's wearing an Eagles uniform, I'm rooting for him. It does not bother me that there may be better QBs in the league.

7 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

If he makes enough plays to help us get wins, I really don't care. He doesn't have to be the top passer or the top QB in the league. I'm perfectly fine with him being inside or near the top 10 when he's playing his best. As long as he's wearing an Eagles uniform, I'm rooting for him. It does not bother me that there may be better QBs in the league.

Well I think his point is whoever is out there if they’re making that many turnover worthy plays then he probably isn’t winning. Truth is around here there are certain people who would rather lose with a qb throwing for over 4000 yards than win with a qb throwing it for 2500 yards. I just want to win and if that means less or more passes from the qb I don’t care. Keep the main thing the main thing.