This entire thread I just see a lot of guessing. Myself included. Lots of elite QBs have off years and bad games. There are significant unanswered questions about Hurts. Point is enough is enough. Bring in a OC or even a HC if that's what it takes. Give Hurts two years and coach him up or out. This should have already happened or been happening this year. Its Fing ridiculous. I think he can operate at a very high level in a Shanahan/McVay type offense. I want to see it badly. Make it Fing happen. I am sick of wondering. I am sick of vanilla stagnant no imagination BS.

I had a really hard time watching all the games this year. I did but it wasn't much fun honestly. Some seriously painfully bad product to watch.

Pick any QB and show me how they were incredible 4 years in a row.

Hurts at high 90s rating and 34 TDs did not have a bad year.

When you put it in context of the O-line, OC-HC, and AJs mental issues, he actually did well.

His performance is also far better than the numbers (I would not be shocked if this unfocused and sloppy Siri Offense did not cost him another 8 TDs)

Then add on top of it that the refs had an agenda vs Philly after the tush push stuff.

The Dallas game in Dallas and the Broncos game and the 49ers playoff game (as bad as they played at times in each) were all point shaved to the other team.

• Dallas was Push Off Fest 2025.

• SF was OL Hold Fest 2026 (Williams on Smith on the last TD and Baun being pulled backwards on a Purdy pocket escape were 100 out of 100 holding calls)

• Denver was DPI at the 1 in the last 15 seconds and the refs just raised a middle finger at the Eagles.

Anyone who thinks Hurts had run lanes up the middle with the drek at G C G on this O-line is just useless.

Did Hurts miss 20-25 throws this year? Sure. Every other QB missed that or more. Stafford probably wins MVP and he missed so many plays.

Did he have 10-12 times where he could have run and did not? Sure.

What we did see for sure was that his sack % has plummeted.

What we did see for sure is that an inferior athlete at QB gets humiliated in this 2025 offense (McKee)

So go ahead and believe your self delusion about some regression at age 27.

Just make sure you don't look at Josh Allen throwing 47 picks from 2021-23 or the entirety of Mahomes career from 2023-present.

Pay no attention to the garbage that was Stafford 2022-24.

Its always the same thing. Hurts is the worst QB in the league besides all the other ones.

Josh Allen is the number 1 guy. There is no clear 2 above Hurts.

You want it to be Joe Burrow so badly but he's a throw footballs at target robots guy and not so much an NFL QB winning guy.

Wow have they pushed Herbert as better than Hurts and its like Sisyphus (lets push that Herbert boulder again next year)

Will Drake Maye be elite every year now? Sure, just like Jayden Daniels.

The complete ignorance it takes to think that swapping Goff for Hurts would not improve Detroit and ruin Philly just makes me laugh.

2022-present

TD to INT

passer rating

regular season wins

playoff wins

playoff TD to INT and rating

TDs to turnovers

Still winning 11 games when things fall apart when Burrow can't win a single shootout in 2024.

Completion % over expected

Intended Air Yards

Super Bowl performance

I can't stop the stupid. I just point and laugh.

I'm wondering how much of a leader Hurts really is. I can't imagine a Brady, Manning, Montana, Mahomes. etc would put up with this offense for more than a game without going to the HC and reading the riot act and demanding change. Apparently Hurts just went with the flow as nothing changed from week one to week nineteen. He is the highest paid player, the QB, the face of the franchise so he has the clout to say and do something. Yet nothing changed.

1 hour ago, Eagles1960 said:

I'm wondering how much of a leader Hurts really is. I can't imagine a Brady, Manning, Montana, Mahomes. etc would put up with this offense for more than a game without going to the HC and reading the riot act and demanding change. Apparently Hurts just went with the flow as nothing changed from week one to week nineteen. He is the highest paid player, the QB, the face of the franchise so he has the clout to say and do something. Yet nothing changed.

I guess the worry is that he couldn’t get after the offense or the OC if he’s the one limiting what is being called? If he doesn’t want to run as much, if he doesn’t want to throw over the middle, if he doesn’t want to go under centre, if he doesn’t want to have a complex offense, then he can’t read the riot act?

I’m not saying that is the case. I’m just saying we have heard reports that there are things he can’t do very well and so likely doesn’t want to do them. So if that’s true then he can’t go mad at the WRs or the coaches if he’s limiting the scheme.

This is all very easy to fix and it can be done in four simple stages.

1. A healthy offensive line, not to give him more protection but to help the run game

2. Get plays in early, and I mean much earlier. Give Jalen more time to operate pre-snap and make adjustments to routes and protection based on what he sees

3. Bring back more RPO and play action and designed QB runs, make the defense guess and think a bit harder

4. Call more than six different plays a game, mix things up, go a bit deeper in the playbook.

Hurts clearly had a down year, as did a lot of the offense. But he's a good player with a high ceiling and the offense was not structured to his strengths.

23 hours ago, VeeMak said:

Ultimately, Hurts is paid to be a great QB. There will always be excuse makers for Hurts (as there were for Wentz and McNabb) but ultimately, did he have a great season?

Hurts had a good season statistically, but he wasn’t special. And with the talent around him, any JAG could have put up similar stats with this talent.

The 2025 version of Hurts was a very well paid JAG.

Actually Hurts is paid to be a JAG. He carried the 16th cap hit for QBs in 2025. And that includes the likes of Maye, Williams and Nix being below him as they are still on rookie deals.

Did he have a great season? No. But the O-Line sucked, Barkley couldn’t get going and Brown’s head went.

Get him a decent OC and line and hopefully he can repeat 2022/2024.

4 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Pick any QB and show me how they were incredible 4 years in a row.

Hurts at high 90s rating and 34 TDs did not have a bad year.

When you put it in context of the O-line, OC-HC, and AJs mental issues, he actually did well.

His performance is also far better than the numbers (I would not be shocked if this unfocused and sloppy Siri Offense did not cost him another 8 TDs)

Then add on top of it that the refs had an agenda vs Philly after the tush push stuff.

The Dallas game in Dallas and the Broncos game and the 49ers playoff game (as bad as they played at times in each) were all point shaved to the other team.

• Dallas was Push Off Fest 2025.

• SF was OL Hold Fest 2026 (Williams on Smith on the last TD and Baun being pulled backwards on a Purdy pocket escape were 100 out of 100 holding calls)

• Denver was DPI at the 1 in the last 15 seconds and the refs just raised a middle finger at the Eagles.

Anyone who thinks Hurts had run lanes up the middle with the drek at G C G on this O-line is just useless.

Did Hurts miss 20-25 throws this year? Sure. Every other QB missed that or more. Stafford probably wins MVP and he missed so many plays.

Did he have 10-12 times where he could have run and did not? Sure.

What we did see for sure was that his sack % has plummeted.

What we did see for sure is that an inferior athlete at QB gets humiliated in this 2025 offense (McKee)

So go ahead and believe your self delusion about some regression at age 27.

Just make sure you don't look at Josh Allen throwing 47 picks from 2021-23 or the entirety of Mahomes career from 2023-present.

Pay no attention to the garbage that was Stafford 2022-24.

Its always the same thing. Hurts is the worst QB in the league besides all the other ones.

Josh Allen is the number 1 guy. There is no clear 2 above Hurts.

You want it to be Joe Burrow so badly but he's a throw footballs at target robots guy and not so much an NFL QB winning guy.

Wow have they pushed Herbert as better than Hurts and its like Sisyphus (lets push that Herbert boulder again next year)

Will Drake Maye be elite every year now? Sure, just like Jayden Daniels.

The complete ignorance it takes to think that swapping Goff for Hurts would not improve Detroit and ruin Philly just makes me laugh.

2022-present

TD to INT

passer rating

regular season wins

playoff wins

playoff TD to INT and rating

TDs to turnovers

Still winning 11 games when things fall apart when Burrow can't win a single shootout in 2024.

Completion % over expected

Intended Air Yards

Super Bowl performance

I can't stop the stupid. I just point and laugh.

Your maternal instinct to protect Hurts is showing again 😂. You may be the only fanboy clinging to this idea that 2025 was somehow an example of a great season by Hurts🤣

4 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Actually Hurts is paid to be a JAG. He carried the 16th cap hit for QBs in 2025. And that includes the likes of Maye, Williams and Nix being below him as they are still on rookie deals.

Did he have a great season? No. But the O-Line sucked, Barkley couldn’t get going and Brown’s head went.

Get him a decent OC and line and hopefully he can repeat 2022/2024.

$179 million guaranteed is not JAG contract.

2 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

Your maternal instinct to protect Hurts is showing again 😂. You may be the only fanboy clinging to this idea that 2025 was somehow an example of a great season by Hurts🤣

I mean he threw as many regular season TD's as Josh Allen and Sam Darnold this year with fewer picks than either and no fans in Buffalo or Seattle are talking about moving on from them as if it makes sense.

19 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

$179 million guaranteed is not JAG contract.

13 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I mean he threw as many regular season TD's as Josh Allen and Sam Darnold this year with fewer picks than either and no fans in Buffalo or Seattle are talking about moving on from them as if it makes sense.

But you were talking about 2025? Otherwise we can talk about his all pro season and Superbowl showing in 2022. Him leading the team to 10-1 and the playoffs with no running game and a terrible Defense. His Super Bowl MVP in 2024.

And further to CC’s point, Barkley was paid to be one of the top 3 running backs in the league this year. He got outperformed by a backup. No one (quite rightly) is suggesting we need to move on from him.

16 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I mean he threw as many regular season TD's as Josh Allen and Sam Darnold this year with fewer picks than either and no fans in Buffalo or Seattle are talking about moving on from them as if it makes sense.

Allen and Darnold were both in the top 10 in completion percentage (Allen 4th, Darnold 8th).

Hurts had a 44% Success rate. He ranked 31st out of all the QB’s.

Darnold and Allen both ranked in top 10 in Y/A. Hurts was ranked 20th.

We can cherry pick stats all day to fit a narrative of our choosing. But strip away any emotional ties to Hurts and ask yourself if your eyes really watched an elite QB his season with Hurts.

I don’t think moving on is the answer. Let’s see if a new OC can get the old (2024) Hurts to show up. The clutch Hurts that was elite in the crucial moments when it mattered. I don’t think Hurts will ever be an elite passer, but he doesn’t need to be if the offense is schemed and play calling is crafted around the things that he does well.

11 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

But you were talking about 2025? Otherwise we can talk about his all pro season and Superbowl showing in 2022. Him leading the team to 10-1 and the playoffs with no running game and a terrible Defense. His Super Bowl MVP in 2024.

And further to CC’s point, Barkley was paid to be one of the top 3 running backs in the league this year. He got outperformed by a backup. No one (quite rightly) is suggesting we need to move on from him.

Using that logic, then Russell Wilson is still one of the best QB’s in the league. While I appreciate what Hurts did in the past, it doesn’t skew what I see in the present nor does it change my concern about the future of the team if Hurts doesn’t return to the form in those past years you rightfully point out. NFL = Not For Long

3 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

Allen and Darnold were both in the top 10 in completion percentage (Allen 4th, Darnold 8th).

Hurts had a 44% Success rate. He ranked 31st out of all the QB’s.

Darnold and Allen both ranked in top 10 in Y/A. Hurts was ranked 20th.

We can cherry pick stats all day to fit a narrative of our choosing. But strip away any emotional ties to Hurts and ask yourself if your eyes really watched an elite QB his season with Hurts.

I don’t think moving on is the answer. Let’s see if a new OC can get the old (2024) Hurts to show up. The clutch Hurts that was elite in the crucial moments when it mattered. I don’t think Hurts will ever be an elite passer, but he doesn’t need to be if the offense is schemed and play calling is crafted around the things that he does well.

I mentioned this yesterday. Jaws was on WIP yesterday, and talked about Hurts and running the ball. He said that it was a Hurts decision to not run and be a passing QB, and for him it is all about image. He then said that he had heard Hurts is called "little Jordan" in the locker room, and it is not a compliment.

Just now, Lambo said:

I mentioned this yesterday. Jaws was on WIP yesterday, and talked about Hurts and running the ball. He said that it was a Hurts decision to not run and be a passing QB, and for him it is all about image. He then said that he had heard Hurts is called "little Jordan" in the locker room, and it is not a compliment.

I hadn’t heard that and, if true, that’s not a leader. That’s a prima dona. Now I respect Jaws, but I don’t want to believe that’s true.

Teams always overpay QBs, the position gets ridiculous contracts. You have to let go of salary amounts.

14 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

Using that logic, then Russell Wilson is still one of the best QB’s in the league. While I appreciate what Hurts did in the past, it doesn’t skew what I see in the present nor does it change my concern about the future of the team if Hurts doesn’t return to the form in those past years you rightfully point out. NFL = Not For Long

I mean Wilson was 33/34 when he declined. Hurts is 27.

Seems more likely to me that’s it down to one or more of a Super Bowl hangover, a beat up/ineffective line/Barkley and an OC clearly out of his depth.

I’m confident he will be better next year.

1 minute ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I mean Wilson was 33/34 when he declined. Hurts is 27.

Seems more likely to me that’s it down to one or more of a Super Bowl hangover, a beat up/ineffective line/Barkley and an OC clearly out of his depth.

I’m confident he will be better next year.

I share your optimism for next season. I’ve been beating the drum this past season that Hurts isn’t an elite pocket QB, and what made the line better, running back better, receivers better, was the threat of Hurts as the RB2. That’s his super power.

If, and I do mean IF, by Hurts wishes, Sirianni’s, FO or all of the above, the desire is to remake the offense to limit Hurts running, I don’t think Hurts is the right QB for a more traditional offense and especially for a rookie OC that was in way over his head.

They need to get this OC hire right this time. Yes, it will likely mean a 1 year rental, but we’ve seen how good this team can be when the offense can move the ball consistently. It doesn’t need to be lights out, but at least chew up clock and flip field position more consistently.

17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Teams always overpay QBs, the position gets ridiculous contracts. You have to let go of salary amounts.

Amazing, really. If you look at the teams remaining in the playoffs, 3 out of 6 have QB’s on rookie contracts.

I think that in our lifetime, we will potentially see the QB position go the route of the RB position where teams stop dumping so much of the salary cap into one player. Once these guys get to that second big contract, the ability to put pieces around him becomes extremely difficult.

No way Brock Purdy deserved $181MM guaranteed.

4 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Pick any QB and show me how they were incredible 4 years in a row.

Hurts at high 90s rating and 34 TDs did not have a bad year.

Nobody really cares about the years before the current one. I also don't think Jalen had a bad year. In fact, he was having his most efficient year statistically up until that game vs the chargers, but 5 turnovers, lumped into an otherwise good year took the frosting off it. The 4 INTs in that game brought his passer rating way down. We always like to say, "if you take away this bad thing, then everything was great." Right, Micah?

Unfortunately, all the games, good and bad, count. But I agree, overall, Hurts did not have a bad year statistically. But it was pretty obvious the offense was not carrying its weight this season and Jalen is not only the leader of the offense, he's the leader of the team. At the beginning of every season the last 3 years, he's on the short list of league MVP candidates. Despite having his best career passer rating 2/3 of the way through the season, he had fallen off all the MVP watch lists and wasn't even in the conversation. The reason is because the offense was struggling all year and being carried by the defense in the wins. In order to be the league MVP, you really have to be putting your team on your back and willing them to wins. I wouldn't even pick Hurts as the team MVP --- for that I would look to Quinyon Mitchell or Jordan Davis.

5 hours ago, SkippyX said:

When you put it in context of the O-line, OC-HC, and AJs mental issues, he actually did well.

His performance is also far better than the numbers (I would not be shocked if this unfocused and sloppy Siri Offense did not cost him another 8 TDs)

Hurts isn't the only QB in the league that had to deal with "issues" like you mention. I'm not going to go into detal because we are talking about Jalen Hurts, not those other guys.

5 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Anyone who thinks Hurts had run lanes up the middle with the drek at G C G on this O-line is just useless.

Did Hurts miss 20-25 throws this year? Sure. Every other QB missed that or more. Stafford probably wins MVP and he missed so many plays.

Did he have 10-12 times where he could have run and did not? Sure.

What we did see for sure was that his sack % has plummeted.

What we did see for sure is that an inferior athlete at QB gets humiliated in this 2025 offense (McKee)

So go ahead and believe your self delusion about some regression at age 27.

In years past, Jalen didn't hold on to the ball quite as long before bailing on a pass and deciding to run. I can show you clip after clip of times where he made the decision to run just 1 second too late and the results were devastating to the offense's ability to move the chains. We all know nobody is getting open that isn't already open whenever Hurts extends a play, looking downfield. If he rolls to the side, we all know he's throwing the ball away. That isn't Jalen's fault. He doesn't design the plays or run routes. But he needs to recognize that a few yards on a QB run is better than a loss of down with no gain. I do fault him for hesitating too long to take off running, because I know how good he can be there.

All QBs miss throws, miss open guys, make bad decisions, etc... every year. Fans tend to come down harder on their own team's players when they do these things. It isn't really fair, but it's reality. When the sack percentage goes down, part of that can be because of the QB, some because of the O-line and pass protection. So it's kind of weird to throw the O-line under the bus and then bring up that stat right after. McKee is a backup. Some fans think he's more valuable than a backup for some reason. But even a backup can make mistakes that starters make and can have a bad day out there. When it comes to "regression," that term kind of means something different to different people. I wouldn't use the term to describe Jalen based on my definition, but I would use it to describe the offense. Once again, Jalen played a part in that. The good news is KP will be the scapegoat for everybody's sins.

Finally, it's unimportant what people think about other QBs around the league. Whoever wins MVP this season absolutely deserves it and Jalen does not. It's okay if there are other QBs in the league that had bigger impacts for their teams. They aren't the guys I'm rooting for. It's also okay to want more from Jalen Hurts as the franchise QB on the team I do root for. If Jalen believes the philosophy he preaches, then maybe the critics here that get under your skin are much closer to being on the same page with Jalen than you are. It's something to think about.

Tired of Hurts playing uninspired football this year.

Not sure whether he can find the open receiver.

When the game is on the line, smart QBs don't throw into triple coverage.

Trade Jalen Hurts and, FIRE SIRIANNI!

7 hours ago, VeeMak said:

Amazing, really. If you look at the teams remaining in the playoffs, 3 out of 6 have QB’s on rookie contracts.

I think that in our lifetime, we will potentially see the QB position go the route of the RB position where teams stop dumping so much of the salary cap into one player. Once these guys get to that second big contract, the ability to put pieces around him becomes extremely difficult.

No way Brock Purdy deserved $181MM guaranteed.

I think the Eagles are a perfect team with the roster and lifer GM they have to experiment with this. Take the QB factory to the next level. I don't think a QB should get such a huge contract just because teams are afraid of not finding a replacement. Daniel Jones, Brock Purdy, Tua, etc. Teams are wasting salary on guys that don't deliver because they're scared of failing at finding another QB. But that is an interesting idea, to utilize QBs on rookie contracts. It used to be that QBs would take 3-4 years to really become good in the NFL. But now they are expected to perform right away.

So for example in a year or 2 if the Eagles move on from Hurts, you have a decent backup (free agent, draft pick like McKee type) and you add a top QB in the 1st round to a roster that has a great defense, good O line and some weapons (and hopefully a good Offensive Coordinator). If the QB is a top QB in the league, pay him. If he's not, don't overpay.

16 hours ago, NOTW said:

I think the Eagles are a perfect team with the roster and lifer GM they have to experiment with this. Take the QB factory to the next level. I don't think a QB should get such a huge contract just because teams are afraid of not finding a replacement. Daniel Jones, Brock Purdy, Tua, etc. Teams are wasting salary on guys that don't deliver because they're scared of failing at finding another QB. But that is an interesting idea, to utilize QBs on rookie contracts. It used to be that QBs would take 3-4 years to really become good in the NFL. But now they are expected to perform right away.

So for example in a year or 2 if the Eagles move on from Hurts, you have a decent backup (free agent, draft pick like McKee type) and you add a top QB in the 1st round to a roster that has a great defense, good O line and some weapons (and hopefully a good Offensive Coordinator). If the QB is a top QB in the league, pay him. If he's not, don't overpay.

I honestly think that is the way to move forward. You would reserve that large second deal only for a very special player. Too many times, these GM’s appear to panic because the QB may be a quality starter and may still have upside potential, but I would argue that if they aren’t special in 3-4 years, they probably aren’t going to be evolve into the franchise QB. Why pay $200MM guaranteed (which is about the going market now) for a quality starter? Now, I see the risk there. But if you have the salary space to keep the trenches full of difference makers, your odds are better at having a good football team.

Hurts didnt look great a times this year. I am pretty sure everyone on this thread agrees with that even the Hurts Homers (am I am probably by the standard in this thread viewed as a Hurts Homer so thats OK).

Stat picking tells both stories so no point in us walking in circles. Football is a team sport. No one is perfect. On offense this year they had alot of drops. Alot of penalties. All of those are not on Hurts. If those were half as much the Eagles win more games and are still in the playoffs and no one is talking about Hurts. Be honest.

If you watched any of the games or any of the good analysis online from real NFL pros its very obvious the issues with the offense as a whole was a combination of things but the core issue is clear as day: COACHING.

Play design, scheme, route combinations, playcalling. We all know these are the core issues.

Those are the root issue. They destroyed player confidence in the offense. Hurts included.

Fix the coaching problem in a sustainable way before doing radical stuff like ditching your Franchise QB when QBs are so Fing hard to replace and you have one that has PROVEN to play MVP level QB play in two Super Bowls and more often than not is big in the big moments. I don't see Josh Allen or Burrows or Jackson etc can even make that claim.
Getting rid of Hurts without fixing coaching first when he is going into his 6th season with this 5th coordinator is silly. Sorry.

I think I would get rid of a Coach before dumping a player. IMO, Hurts still has an untapped, upside in him. Just need the right Coach, scheme, play calling, etc., to get it fully out and on display consistently.