Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

I wonder if there is some lost context here, where in 2022 the offense would get the lead and kill clock (not necessarily with the immediate aim of scoring a TD) vs. 2023 where we play porous defense/ get behind and most keep the peddle to the metal to secure wins.

Yep, things get skewed a bit situationally.

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Rooting guide for this weekend:

Giants over Rams

Seahawks over Steelers

Vikings over Packers

Cowboys over Lions

Commanders over 49ers

Commanders are going to get stomped after the 9ers got embarrassed in prime time

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm really not the one that brought up the tush push.  I disagreed with calling Hurts role in the tush push one of the best weapons in the NFL.  The tush push is a great situational weapon for this team, but it is not nearly useful or all-encompassing enough to overlook the flaws of both Hurts and the offense this year...or to justify the contract.  

Every time the Eagles are in the red zone, their entire playcalling and approach is centered on getting to a tush push situation, which results in a rushing TD for Hurts.  They literally funnel their offense into tush push TDs.  Given that approach, I don't think his 15 rushing TDs are some transcendent accomplishment that offsets his passing deficiencies and makes him comparable to QBs that are objectively throwing the ball better this year.  

You sure did when you implied rushing TDs scored from it don't count when evaluating his contributions to the offense.

As for the contract discussion, of course he's not living up to it, but you know who else isn't? Just about every other QB in the league right now that's not on a rookie deal. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow (pre injury), etc. QBs have bad years, and it sucks to see when it's your QB, but it's a reality of the sport. QBs are overvalued and have been for a while. There was no reasonable low-risk alternative to giving him that deal. 

6 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Commanders are going to get stomped after the 9ers got embarrassed in prime time

It's too bad the football team traded away both of their of DEs, as that SF OL would have its hands full without Trent - but that back seven is so bad, that KS could likely scheme around it.

5 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Commanders are going to get stomped after the 9ers got embarrassed in prime time

You should focus on the rams/whiners game. There is a good chance of a loss for them there. 

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

It's too bad the football team traded away both of their of DEs, as that SF OL would have it's hands full without Trent - but that back seven is so bad, that KS could likely scheme around it.

Apparently Williams was limited practice yesterday so he might be a go Sunday. 

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

You should focus on the rams/whiners game. There is a good chance of a loss for them there. 

I'd love a 3 game skid

I agree with @Iggles_Phan about the tush push being an overused issue for this offense.  When I say overused, I don't mean they use it on too many 3rd and 4th and 1's.  It's a play that should be used when they are in that situation.

It's not, however, a play that you should build your offense around.  Siri has literally owned up to calling an offense that is aspiring to short yardage situations.

23 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fully agree that the offense is worse than last year. But it's not catastrophically worse. 

What about turnovers, penalties, and situational awareness?

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I agree with @Iggles_Phan about the tush push being an overused issue for this offense.  When I say overused, I don't mean they use it on too many 3rd and 4th and 1's.  It's a play that should be used when they are in that situation.

It's not, however, a play that you should build your offense around.  Siri has literally owned up to calling an offense that is aspiring to short yardage situations.

I think it is a ridiculous play on 3rd & 1.....Line up in it with AJ and Devonte on both sides of Hurts, snap the ball and have them take off downfield with Hurts dropping back.  If neither is wide open, chuck it in the dirt and then line up for 4Th & 1 and do the actual tush push.  I swear, if they don't do this in the playoffs they have the creativity of an ameba.  

58 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I feel their depth is an issue with Carter and Davis. Cox has been solid but Williams really hasn’t been all that great this year. They had a much better rotation last year to keep guys fresh. I get wanting to increase his snaps this year and having Carter but they are likely playing more snaps then what they envisioned cause they dealt away street, Cox missed a game and part of a game with an injury and Williams hasn’t been close to what he was down the stretch last year. 

Yep, it is the snap count that seems to be the issue really.  Could have used Suh or Joseph again.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I agree with @Iggles_Phan about the tush push being an overused issue for this offense.  When I say overused, I don't mean they use it on too many 3rd and 4th and 1's.  It's a play that should be used when they are in that situation.

It's not, however, a play that you should build your offense around.  Siri has literally owned up to calling an offense that is aspiring to short yardage situations.

Theb that's a play calling issue, not something Hurts should be blamed for. 

4 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

I doubt it.  McCaffery is a great RB who has been one since his freshman year in HS.  Covey cannot do what McCaffery does.  He'd miss holes, follow wrong blocks and get hit hard and often in ways he never has.

I don't know about that.   I wouldn't say that Covey would miss holes and follow wrong blocks.  

He is smaller though,  and the "get hit hard" part sounds right.

McCaffrey is the bell cow for the 9ers.  Covey wouldn't be that.

I'm just saying that the Eagles could be taking a look at what the 9ers have CMC do,  and try to determine what Covey can do that the 9ers have CMC do. 

And what the 9ers do a lot of with CMC,  that Covey could do,  is take a pitch and run outside.    CMC does a whole lot of - take a pitch,  run outside, run out of bounds without being touched.  Covey could do that.

In HS, Covey won the state championship twice as a running QB.   He was undefeated both years.   So, both Covey and CMC were great at running in HS.  And then in college,  both were All-Pac-12 first-team returners, both were CoSIDA Academic All-Americans.  Both went 2 for 3 passing,  with 2 TD passes.  Yes,  CMC is taller, heavier, better jumps,  but the speed and agility is very similar. 

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yep, it is the snap count that seems to be the issue really.  Could have used Suh or Joseph again.

I still don't understand why they haven't brought back Suh.  Been obvious for a couple of weeks that DL has been overworked and underwhelming.  Would rather see Suh out there than Marlon T and would allow Williams to play more DE.

14 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I don't know about that.   I wouldn't say that Covey would miss holes and follow wrong blocks.  

He is smaller though,  and the "get hit hard" part sounds right.

McCaffrey is the bell cow for the 9ers.  Covey wouldn't be that.

I'm just saying that the Eagles could be taking a look at what the 9ers have CMC do,  and try to determine what Covey can do that the 9ers have CMC do. 

And what the 9ers do a lot of with CMC,  that Covey could do,  is take a pitch and run outside.    CMC does a whole lot of - take a pitch,  run outside, run out of bounds without being touched.  Covey could do that.

In HS, Covey won the state championship twice as a running QB.   He was undefeated both years.   So, both Covey and CMC were great at running in HS.  And then in college,  both were All-Pac-12 first-team returners, both were CoSIDA Academic All-Americans.  Both went 2 for 3 passing,  with 2 TD passes.  Yes,  CMC is taller, heavier, better jumps,  but the speed and agility is very similar. 

Covey can NOT do what CMC does...

2 hours ago, paco said:

Sorry @Westbrook#36.  I just didn't see the point learning machine language, which they would have had me doing.

Knowing machine language comes in handy when you have to interact with the cryptologic zombies at NSA. 

Truth is, I originally started school for aero engineering but switched majors. I wanted IT and since I already had the required Calc and diff eq classes I went with CS. 

So, decided to go back and look at my projection for the year vs. the reality of where we are. I predicted 12-5 before the year with losses to the Jets, Chiefs, Bills, at Dallas and Seahawks. So they won 2 games I thought they'd lose (Chiefs and Bills), and lost one game I thought they'd win (49ers). As I really try and breakdown why I and others are all down on this team, it just comes down to one thing -- turnovers. At -7 through 15 games, we are tied for 5th worst in the league. Being 11-4 despite that turnover ratio is honestly kind of bananas (the Chiefs being 9-6 while -10 is also insane). In 2022 we were +8 and third best in the league, and everyone expected a regression of some kind, but no one expected this. If we just take care of the ball against the Jets and the Seahawks...

So, despite all the frustration, this gives me some cautious optimism going forward. Just as last year was an aberration for Dak with the turnovers, Jalen has never been a turnover prone QB historically. The simple reality is if we are even or win the turnover battle, we win the game. The offense finally moved the ball last week, and the defense has looked better under Patricia and should get Slay, Maddox and Cunningham back. 

We have played a MUCH tougher schedule, been uncharacteristically reckless with the ball, and...still are in position to win the division. I'm basically at the point where I think this team can beat anyone, but can also lose to anyone. I have zero expectations going into a game because I have no idea what team is showing up. It's a stressful way to be a fan, but the idea that we can't win is silly. 

21 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

I still don't understand why they haven't brought back Suh.  Been obvious for a couple of weeks that DL has been overworked and underwhelming.  Would rather see Suh out there than Marlon T and would allow Williams to play more DE.

Suh may not want to play

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

So, decided to go back and look at my projection for the year vs. the reality of where we are. I predicted 12-5 before the year with losses to the Jets, Chiefs, Bills, at Dallas and Seahawks. So they won 2 games I thought they'd lose (Chiefs and Bills), and lost one game I thought they'd win (49ers). As I really try and breakdown why I and others are all down on this team, it just comes down to one thing -- turnovers. At -7 through 15 games, we are tied for 5th worst in the league. Being 11-4 despite that turnover ratio is honestly kind of bananas (the Chiefs being 9-6 while -10 is also insane). In 2022 we were +8 and third best in the league, and everyone expected a regression of some kind, but no one expected this. If we just take care of the ball against the Jets and the Seahawks...

So, despite all the frustration, this gives me some cautious optimism going forward. Just as last year was an aberration for Dak with the turnovers, Jalen has never been a turnover prone QB historically. The simple reality is if we are even or win the turnover battle, we win the game. The offense finally moved the ball last week, and the defense has looked better under Patricia and should get Slay, Maddox and Cunningham back. 

We have played a MUCH tougher schedule, been uncharacteristically reckless with the ball, and...still are in position to win the division. I'm basically at the point where I think this team can beat anyone, but can also lose to anyone. I have zero expectations going into a game because I have no idea what team is showing up. It's a stressful way to be a fan, but the idea that we can't win is silly. 

They can lose to anyone, theyve proved that.

If they play how they played earlier in the year, they can beat anyone too.

As they are playing right now, they cant beat many teams. They need the offense to be better so they can potentially win shoot outs. 

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Suh may not want to play

He visited the Dolphins a week or two ago. He may just not be in shape/committed enough anymore.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

They can lose to anyone, theyve proved that.

If they play how they played earlier in the year, they can beat anyone too.

As they are playing right now, they cant beat many teams. They need the offense to be better so they can potentially win shoot outs. 

The offense was good against the Giants (poor competition) other than the turnover and not finishing with TDs. They finally were able to run the ball effectively. 465 yards of total offense, 170 on the ground. 2-5 in the red zone and a pick 6 kept them from putting up 50. Again, it was the Giants, but the concern over the offense is a little overdone.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

The offense was good against the Giants (poor competition) other than the turnover and not finishing with TDs. They finally were able to run the ball effectively. 465 yards of total offense, 170 on the ground. 2-5 in the red zone and a pick 6 kept them from putting up 50. Again, it was the Giants, but the concern over the offense is a little overdone.

As long as they can finish with TDs consistently they can survive a turnover or 2 against almost anyone. Thats basically how they played when they beat Miami, Dallas the first time, etc. 

Id love them to be better, but Id be happy if they can get back in to that form this year. Theyd have a punchers chance at winning the super bowl that way. They were 10-1 that way, against a bunch of good teams. Then the wheels fell off. 

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

So, decided to go back and look at my projection for the year vs. the reality of where we are. I predicted 12-5 before the year with losses to the Jets, Chiefs, Bills, at Dallas and Seahawks. So they won 2 games I thought they'd lose (Chiefs and Bills), and lost one game I thought they'd win (49ers). As I really try and breakdown why I and others are all down on this team, it just comes down to one thing -- turnovers. At -7 through 15 games, we are tied for 5th worst in the league. Being 11-4 despite that turnover ratio is honestly kind of bananas (the Chiefs being 9-6 while -10 is also insane). In 2022 we were +8 and third best in the league, and everyone expected a regression of some kind, but no one expected this. If we just take care of the ball against the Jets and the Seahawks...

So, despite all the frustration, this gives me some cautious optimism going forward. Just as last year was an aberration for Dak with the turnovers, Jalen has never been a turnover prone QB historically. The simple reality is if we are even or win the turnover battle, we win the game. The offense finally moved the ball last week, and the defense has looked better under Patricia and should get Slay, Maddox and Cunningham back. 

We have played a MUCH tougher schedule, been uncharacteristically reckless with the ball, and...still are in position to win the division. I'm basically at the point where I think this team can beat anyone, but can also lose to anyone. I have zero expectations going into a game because I have no idea what team is showing up. It's a stressful way to be a fan, but the idea that we can't win is silly. 

Yup. And the root cause is the lack of pass rush. Our d-line went from hero to zero in one year. 
 

edit: and obviously Jalen turning the ball over too much. 

25 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Covey can NOT do what CMC does...

Covey can do some of the stuff CMC does, about as well.  Outside running,  pass catching.  Not between the tackles running.  

What the 9ers do,  quite often,  is get the ball outside, very quickly, to the fast and agile CMC.   If the Eagles were to try doing that,  Covey would get good results, as the 9ers do.