Outside of Reid and prime Belichick, how many coaches were really able to withstand the brain drain of their coordinators getting poached every other season? Even KC is struggling this year with Bieniemy gone. As mentioned already Nick, similar to Doug, is more of a CEO coach not necessarily the driver of X’s and O’s. With guys like that, you’re always going to have to either create a chain of guys internally who can climb up to coordinator or look outside for the answer. 
 

Buffalo hasn’t been the same since Daboll left, Cinci wasn’t lighting the world on fire before Burrow went down. Shanahan might be the only guy who has withstood the turnover. 

 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That's all fair and I don't disagree...but it comes back to the unfortunate and likely reality that either Siri or Hurts simply aren't good enough.  Either Hurts is still an elite franchise QB and is being hamstrung by a terrible offensive scheme with predictable routes and targets...which may be directly on Brian Johnson but is just unacceptable for Siri.  Or Hurts fooled everyone with smoke and mirrors last year and the coaches are scrambling to cover for him playing like crap this year.

It's one.  It's the other.  Or it's a little bit of both.  But it's not good for this franchise either way.

Siri's best redeeming quality is as a leader. He is a players coach, maybe more than an x's and o's coach. And that quality can be carried through on a team preforming very well, or under expectations. And its useful either way. He may have value as an offensive mind as well, but I suspect we arent getting to see it right now due to who is playing QB. This offense doesnt resemble what we expected form he came from Indy. Not in the slightest.

 

Hurts is a QB who thrives in one 1 very specific system, who is going to be very OC dependent. If his coordinator isnt smart enough to make a predictable offense more unpredictable, the offense will struggle. His one redeeming quality as an RPO system QB is obviously being taken away. He has nothing else to carry him through tough times.

 

Its clear to me which is the problem holding the other one back.

I'm interested to see how Florida St plays today.  

If Georgia blows them out then everyone can shut up about them being snubbed.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

This is true...and it's a lot to mention Siri in that same breath.  And Doug washed out as soon as he lost those SB winning coordinators.  And all of those things are plastered all over as not going well right now.

Exactly. Coaches like Doug and Siri are great when you catch lightning in a bottle with a talented roster and coordinators to scheme them. Starting to feel like groundhog day with these no-name coordinator replacements.

Contrast this with big red who came to town with a binder full of assistants to hire from as he got poached over the years. After a decade or so that binder ran bare, we ended up with an OL coach at D-coordinator and the writing was on the wall.

I suspect the FO does not have much of a sense of humor about watching the product on the field suffer with sub-JAG coordinators

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not so sure about that last one 

There is a difference between Vision and Execution.  Siri can be criticized that his execution has slipped this year.

6 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I'm interested to see how Florida St plays today.  

If Georgia blows them out then everyone can shut up about them being snubbed.

Really depends on who sits and who plays for both teams.

Didn't Rodemaker hit the transfer portal? FSU likely down to their 3rd string QB.

No one has been willing to put the tin foil hats back on yet, but I will.

Maybe it’s going too far to call Doug and Siri proxies or puppets, but let’s call them permissive.  Both had easy-going personalities that were going to allow maximum involvement for Howie and Lurie.  That just won’t happen with the more control oriented coaches.  They went with softer coaches that really seemed to lean on the coordinators.

Who is this team playing Auburn and what did they do with the Terps?

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

No one has been willing to put the tin foil hats back on yet, but I will.

Maybe it’s going too far to call Doug and Siri proxies or puppets, but let’s call them permissive.  Both had easy-going personalities that were going to allow maximum involvement for Howie and Lurie.  That just won’t happen with the more control oriented coaches.  They went with softer coaches that really seemed to lean on the coordinators.

How control oriented was Reid when he first started here? It took him a bunch of years to assume GM duties. He called his offense, but always had excellent OCs with him as well. Wasnt like he kept dummies next to him to make himself look better, and make sure they werent going to outshine him. 

I think the coaches will gain control in time with proof that their system works over time. 

Doug got canned because he wanted too much control too soon. His results werent sustained, and he wanted to hang on to the underperforming assistants when Howie and Jeff wanted to move on. It wasnt power he had earned yet. If doug was still here, still dominating, he would likely have earned more power by now.

I'm not sure where some are getting the idea that Siri doesn't play a major role in game planning. All reporting indicates this is Siri's (analytics driven) offense and BJ is simply carrying out marching orders. I also found it interesting that right after it was reported that Desai was going to give players more say in how the defense is run that he was replaced with Patricia. Also interesting is how much more aggressive Gannon's defense is today compared to when he was our DC. Seems to me some are far too willing to let Siri off the hook. He's far from just a manager of personal. I wish he would delegate game plans and "scheme" to the coordinators but that's simply not how this team operates. It's a top down organization.

I’m liking this Tyler Warren , he’s a gamer and tough 

13 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I'm not sure where some are getting the idea that Siri doesn't play a major role in game planning. All reporting indicates this is Siri's (analytics driven) offense and BJ is simply carrying out marching orders. I also found it interesting that right after it was reported that Desai was going to give players more say in how the defense is run that he was replaced with Patricia. Also interesting is how much more aggressive Gannon's defense is today compared to when he was our DC. Seems to me some are far too willing to let Siri off the hook. He's far from just a manager of personal. I wish he would delegate game plans and "scheme" to the coordinators but that's simply not how this team operates. It's a top down organization.

Was Siri running nothing but RPO and outside zone runs when he was with Indy?

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

His scheme seemed pretty good last year.

Its funny. When we had a good offense he is not being credited for it. Now that the offense stinks, all we hear over and over is that this is his offense. And how we should have brought Reich back as a consultant. And how Steichen is doing incredible things with the Colts.

Well was it good because of Steichen? Or is it Sirianni's?

The narrative conveniently changes to fit any pre-conceived notion someone has. 

I guess that's the argument. The offense was good last year with steichen, and now it isn't with the same personnel (plus a much better running back). So it looks like nick wasn't the brains behind it. If he was, there shouldn't be this much regression

6 minutes ago, devpool said:

I guess that's the argument. The offense was good last year with steichen, and now it isn't with the same personnel (plus a much better running back). So it looks like nick wasn't the brains behind it. If he was, there shouldn't be this much regression

so then when the offense struggles people cant say "This is sirianni's offense. He is to blame for this."

 

Any interest? I normally wouldn't, but an issue with the DL has been overuse and just last year he was still a solid player.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I don't have any pre-conceived notions on Siriani.  We had a great offense last year, still have a very good one this year, but clearly regressed.  

This is 2017 Doug rinse and repeat.  

If these guys were Andy Reid, or Mcvay, or Shanahan, we wouldn't be wringing our hands over the OC like this.

There's no narrative here, I'm just concerned that Siri isn't one of those self sufficient coaches who can maintain their own system.

Andy Reid suffered greatly for a time when Childress left for the Minnesota head coaching job.

What do you want tonight, for the Lions to win or for the Lions to lose? (Forget that they're playing the Cowboys for a moment)

A Lions win helps them keep us out of the #1 or #2 seed, but coupled with us beating the Cardinals, gives us the NFC East and the guaranteed #3 seed.

A Lions loss makes the #1 or #2 seed possible for us if we win out and the 49ers lose one of their final 2 games.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Andy Reid suffered greatly for a time when Childress left for the Minnesota head coaching job.

Well that’s a loaded statement.  Childress leaving coincided with Mcnabb’s decline and exit.  That was another qb vs coach chicken and egg situation.

They got their offensive mojo back when they found another qb, not another OC.

3 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

What do you want tonight, for the Lions to win or for the Lions to lose? (Forget that they're playing the Cowboys for a moment)

A Lions win helps them keep us out of the #1 or #2 seed, but coupled with us beating the Cardinals, gives us the NFC East and the guaranteed #3 seed.

A Lions loss makes the #1 or #2 seed possible for us if we win out and the 49ers lose one of their final 2 games.

If Lions lose and we win out but 49ers win out does 49er still get the 1st seed?

2 hours ago, devpool said:

No. The eagles as they're currently playing can lose to any team. We shouldn't be counting any win as guaranteed, so we should be rooting for the cowboys to lose until we clinch the division. We're no longer in a position to focus on seeding, win the division and then root for other outcomes 

 

Eagles don't need to win Cowboys to lose to win the division.  It's short sighted to not root for outcomes in games that will allow the Eagles to get back the #2 and possibly #1 seed.  

7 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

What do you want tonight, for the Lions to win or for the Lions to lose? (Forget that they're playing the Cowboys for a moment)

A Lions win helps them keep us out of the #1 or #2 seed, but coupled with us beating the Cardinals, gives us the NFC East and the guaranteed #3 seed.

A Lions loss makes the #1 or #2 seed possible for us if we win out and the 49ers lose one of their final 2 games.

 

100% rooting for a Cowboys win tonight.  Pure nonsense for any Eagles fan to root for an outcome where Lions still control the #2 seed.  

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

If Lions lose and we win out but 49ers win out does 49er still get the 1st seed?

 

Yes.

But 49ers play the Rams next week.  While the 49ers will certainly be favored, that game will at least present a challenge and with how the Rams have been playing lately they might have a shot.  

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well that’s a loaded statement.  Childress leaving coincided with Mcnabb’s decline and exit.  That was another qb vs coach chicken and egg situation.

They got their offensive mojo back when they found another qb, not another OC.

 

Eagles made a NFC Championship run two years after Childress left as OC.  They nearly made the NFC Championship Game as well the first season after Childress left.  

@mattwill

 

Eagles 34

Cards 30