3 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

Would Reich want to be the OC here though? If he would be left alone to run his offense as he wants, then maybe.  Is he gonna be beholden to Julian Lurie's analytic dept? If he is, he would be better off just staying at home and collecting his 8 million dollars per year from Carolina to do nothing. 

I think the money is the bigger issue. Staying at home at 62 and making $8 mil is much more lucrative then being a OC and dealing with the grind. I think he and sirianni get along and are friends that him being here isn’t as much of the issue. Probably better working together than Brian Johnson and sirianni. They have history together at other stomping grounds.  I think Johnson was hired by howie as he was close to hurts and sirianni was ok with him as QB coach. I think the promotion was they wanted to go in house and believed Johnson was the best candidate. 

The defensive personnel isn't this bad. This same defense played much better against better offenses. It's both coaching and talent. The defensive line I'm not worried about long-term. Plenty of upside and youth and talent there. The back 7 needs a major overhaul. I'd be fine if the entire back 7 was a new unit next season.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d be really surprised if sirianni is fired a year after a SB appearance. I do think he’ll be on the hot seat in 2024 if this deteriorates more and more stuff leaks out. the eagles have done a lot of questionable things FO wise, but they have yet to fire a HC after one regression season since hiring Andy years ago. They didn’t fire reid after 2011 (probably should’ve). They didn’t fire chip after 2014 (probably should’ve). Didn’t fire doug after 2019. I do think he’s on the hot seat in 2024. But i don’t see him getting fired after this year. 

I get the distinct feeling that Lurie will be meeting with players individually this week to assess. 

If he walks away thinking that Nick has lost the locker room I don't think he'll hesitate pulling the trigger. 

52 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If you expected the Eagles to get beat by the (then) 3 win Cardinals and are therefore afraid to root for the Cowboys, you probably shouldn’t be watching this season at all.  You already knew enough to save yourself and yet you stayed on the titanic.

Otherwise, root for the scenario that gave the Eagles the 2 seed.

Some of us know "Any Given Sunday" and some of us don't.

General rule with the Football Gods - don't root for your most hated rival.

The attitude of Eagles fans last night was awful.   Yay, the refs cheated the Lions and the Cowboys win!  Now we have a better chance at the 2 seed and a worse chance at the division title!

Before the Cardinals game,  some might have noticed that the Eagles were in a bit of a slump, going 1-3, and the Eagles might not have snapped out of it, making possible,  along with "Any Given Sunday". a loss in either one of the 2 games.  

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

or "2 is more than 1,  gimme more"  (runs screaming into the bush)

Sirianni isn’t going anywhere.  Some of you folks suffer from terminal recency bias.  He won 14 games in 2022 and went to a Super Bowl.  Then he lost both his coordinators and won 11 (maybe 12) games the following year.

Compare that to the 2004 Patriots who won the Super Bowl after a 14-2 season, Belichick lost both his coordinators Weis and Crennel and they fell to 10-6 the following year.  They went from 4th in offense and 2nd in defense in 2004 to 10th in offense and 17th in defense the year after.

The Eagles have an aging nucleus along the OL and DL (where they build their identity) and need to make some tough decisions on how to get younger, faster, and better.  The improvements need to be in personnel as well as coordinators before hanging a head coach out to dry.

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The defensive personnel isn't this bad.

Actually, it is.

People need to stop looking at the names on the back of the jersey and being like he is way better than what he’s playing. They are what they are. You are what you are. It’s week 18.  That’s who they are 

Byard isn’t going to start magically playing like he did in 2021 and 2022. He looked slow on tape when he was with the Titans this year and he’s been just as bad since he got here. Reed Blankenship is probably fine in the role of Marcus Epps but if you don’t have another safety like CJGJ. If you don’t he’s probably going to not look nearly as good. Brown is a huge questionable and never should’ve been heavily relied upon as a 3rd round rookie. Bradberry is a shell of what he was last year. But then again that’s what he does in his career. One year he’s good then the next year he delcined. Slay is 32 and can’t stay on the field for 17 games. Who knows if jobe, ringo or ricks can be good enough to start and be competent nfl players. They all right now are likely backups. Your linebackers are a joke. when Zach Cunningham, who is in his 30s is your best linebacker that’s a problem. The rest of the guys are jags or should be PS squad guys.

defensive line also has its issues. Sweat has been bad and countless dumb mistakes for better part of 2.5 months. Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham should not be counted on to be playing the amount of snaps they are. And yet gonna have to replace them next year or when we finally rip that bandaid off. Davis might just never become the player everyone thinks. He might just be Broderick Buckley or Mike Patterson. Solid but not a huge difference marker. Williams is a backup that is what he is and heading into the last year of his contract. Jalen Carter might be the only young stud on that line if sweat is gonna continue to play like he has. And their depth isn’t there like years past

so I would argue their personnel is that bad. It just so happens they also have really crappy defensive coordinators to go with their crappy personnel.

OK pick one:

Reagor vs. Watkins (can’t take credit for this question, this was someone else)

Avery vs. Golden Tate vs. Byard vs. Robert Quinn.  The late career washed version of one of them has to play meaningful snaps for the Eagles next year.  Which one are you taking?  

Ringo vs. Ricks vs. Bradberry.  Who starts out wide?

Siri vs. BJ in Madden, Eagles vs. Eagles.  Who calls the better game on offense?

It’s 4th and 12 with the season on the line.  You have to choose from the following plays:
1. Jet sweep to Nelson Agholor
2.  Bubble screen to Julio Jones with Devonta Smith as the lead blocker.
3.  Carson Wentz to Zach Ertz 5 yards shy of the LOS.
4.  Hurts QB draw.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sirianni isn’t going anywhere.  Some of you folks suffer from terminal recency bias.  He won 14 games in 2022 and went to a Super Bowl.  Then he lost both his coordinators and won 11 (maybe 12) games the following year.

Compare that to the 2004 Patriots who won the Super Bowl after a 14-2 season, Belichick lost both his coordinators Weis and Crennel and they fell to 10-6 the following year.  They went from 4th in offense and 2nd in defense in 2004 to 10th in offense and 17th in defense the year after.

The Eagles have an aging nucleus along the OL and DL (where they build their identity) and need to make some tough decisions on how to get younger, faster, and better.  The improvements need to be in personnel as well as coordinators before hanging a head coach out to dry.

It is not recency bias if the "rah rah" head coach has lost key players in the locker room. One thing we heard all year was how the veteran core held things together. Well, most of those guys are moving on or should be. If the rumors are true that Desai had the perception that showed lack of confidence in front of players, that reveals a serious issue that does not exist independently of the head coach. 

I think Lurie has to take a deep dive into root causes of this collapse in the next few weeks and make some difficult decisions....one thing he won't do is act rashly. You do not get rid of anyone without a replacement plan already in place. If the "right guy" is out there...Lurie has to consider the option.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Actually, it is.

People need to stop looking at the names on the back of the jersey and being like he is way better than what he’s playing. They are what they are. You are what you are. It’s week 18.  That’s who they are 

Byard isn’t going to start magically playing like he did in 2021 and 2022. He looked slow on tape when he was with the Titans this year and he’s been just as bad since he got here. Reed Blankenship is probably fine in the role of Marcus Epps but if you don’t have another safety like CJGJ. If you don’t he’s probably going to not look nearly as good. Brown is a huge questionable and never should’ve been heavily relied upon as a 3rd round rookie. Bradberry is a shell of what he was last year. But then again that’s what he does in his career. One year he’s good then the next year he delcined. Slay is 32 and can’t stay on the field for 17 games. Who knows if jobe, ringo or ricks can be good enough to start and be competent nfl players. They all right now are likely backups. Your linebackers are a joke. when Zach Cunningham, who is in his 30s is your best linebacker that’s a problem. The rest of the guys are jags or should be PS squad guys.

defensive line also has its issues. Sweat has been bad and countless dumb mistakes for better part of 2.5 months. Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham should not be counted on to be playing the amount of snaps they are. And yet gonna have to replace them next year or when we finally rip that bandaid off. Davis might just never become the player everyone thinks. He might just be Broderick Buckley or Mike Patterson. Solid but not a huge difference marker. Williams is a backup that is what he is and heading into the last year of his contract. Jalen Carter might be the only young stud on that line if sweat is gonna continue to play like he has. And their depth isn’t there like years past 

There's a difference between playing bad and being bad. They've shown they can play better when they're put in better positions to succeed. They will never be world beaters on defense, but this is the worst defensive performance an Eagles defense has had in 17 years. To think this is the worst defensive personnel the Eagles have had in 17 years is absurd.

They're capable of being better. Not way better, but better. I guarantee if they had Schwartz or Fangio coaching today, they win this game.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

There's a difference between playing bad and being bad. They've shown they can play better when they're put in better positions to succeed. They will never be world beaters on defense, but this is the worst defensive performance an Eagles defense has had in 17 years. To think this is the worst defensive personnel the Eagles have had in 17 years is absurd.

They're capable of being better. Not way better, but better. I guarantee if they had Schwartz or Fangio coaching today, they win this game.

Well again, it comes down to scheme or personnel. It could be a bad scheme or bad personnel for the recent outcomes or a combination of both. I think the adjustments made by Patricia have been minimal which suggests that the scheme may be the only option he has based on the personnel. The young DB are making expected mistakes and the veteran DB's are either injured or playing horribly. The LBs are clearly non-existent. The defense needs a stud DC and a serious commitment to talent.

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

There's a difference between playing bad and being bad. They've shown they can play better when they're put in better positions to succeed. They will never be world beaters on defense, but this is the worst defensive performance an Eagles defense has had in 17 years. To think this is the worst defensive personnel the Eagles have had in 17 years is absurd.

They're capable of being better. Not way better, but better. I guarantee if they had Schwartz or Fangio coaching today, they win this game.

Or as they consistently have shown since the Buffalo game that they are just that bad. Again, you’re looking at past years to say they can’t be this bad. Look at what they did in previous years or earlier in the season when put in position. We’re not in 2022 or 2021. Kevin byard is not a pro bowler anymore. He’s slowly crap. He’s declining same with Bradberry. It’s been 6 consecutive weeks the defense has the same issues and inconsistencies.

so great you’re not gonna be way better but just slightly better. So you have a great coordinator and yet you still bad as a defense. Just not awful. That tells me your personnel is that bad that Schwartz and fangio (considered good DCs) could only slightly make them better.

your personnel is a MASSIVE issue 

I realize they just played, but Eagles defense vs. Giants offense will be interesting.  The Giant offense sucks, but they have a glimmer of continuity with a veteran QB now.  Taylor had the looks to beat the Eagles last week but missed a couple key throws.  He passed in volume against LAR this week and will be a bit more in sync next week.  Could be another 30 point day for the opposition.  

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Or as they consistently have shown since the Buffalo game that they are just that bad. Again, you’re looking at past years to say they can’t be this bad. Look at what they did in previous years or earlier in the season when put in position. We’re not in 2022 or 2021. Kevin byard is not a pro bowler anymore. He’s slowly crap. He’s declining same with Bradberry. It’s been 6 consecutive weeks the defense has the same issues and inconsistencies.

so great you’re not gonna be way better but just incrementally better. So you have a great coordinator and yet you still or Dad as a defense. That tells me your personnel is thah bad that Schwartz and fangio (considered good DCs) could only slightly make them better.

you personnel is a MASSIVE issue 

Reddick - top 7 pass rusher in the NFL, pro bowler, all pro

Jalen Carter - very good DT already, potential to be the best in the NFL for a decade

Jordan Davis - meh

Cox - good DT who’d start on many teams. Not elite anymore.

Williams - solid NFL DT who’d be in any team’s rotation

Sweat - very good edge who’s having a down year. Not elite, but with a better defensive coordinator I think would be annual double digit sacks.

Morrow - sucks

Dean - so far, sucks

Cunningham - doesn’t suck, but meh

Leonard - sucks, washed

Slay - still good, would start on many teams

Bradberry - looks washed, but has been up and down lately wouldn’t surprise me if he bounced back next year with a better coordinator, but as of now looks washed

Blankenship - does nothing special, but won’t lose your games. Merely decent.

Byard - meh. Can do worse, can do a lot better

Maddox - hard to say, has been injured. Usually very good when healthy.

Graham - not what he used to be, but still a quality depth edge

Nolan Smith - meh so far, but potential.

 

That’s my evals of the defense.

25 minutes ago, Birdman said:

I get the distinct feeling that Lurie will be meeting with players individually this week to assess. 

If he walks away thinking that Nick has lost the locker room I don't think he'll hesitate pulling the trigger. 

Yeah i don’t see this as a chip Kelly situation where everyone hates him behind the scenes and where they are wanting to fire sirianni. I think fans want that more than lurie and howie.

I think they look at this saying our personnel and moves we made this offseason on defense wasnt good enough. Also made a mistake on our DC going with inexperienced desai and Patricia is useless. They’ll go try and get a massive upgrade there. Potentially scheme change.

I think what they’re going to look at offensively say they need an outside voice to come in. Because need an objective outsider not someone doing self scouting just think he’s gonna tinker this and that and it’s fixed. Why I said I think they’re going to bring in somebody from the outside to work with sirianni’s at his office. Now maybe that doesn’t go well and it rubs Sirianni  the wrong way and then you have a major blow up in 2024. But I would bet a lot of money sirianni is back and that’s the direction they go.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Reddick - top 7 pass rusher in the NFL, pro bowler, all pro

Jalen Carter - very good DT already, potential to be the best in the NFL for a decade

Jordan Davis - meh

Cox - good DT who’d start on many teams. Not elite anymore.

Williams - solid NFL DT who’d be in any team’s rotation

Sweat - very good edge who’s having a down year. Not elite, but with a better defensive coordinator I think would be annal double digit sacks.

Morrow - sucks

Dean - so far, sucks

Cunningham - doesn’t suck, but meh

Leonard - sucks, washed

Slay - still good, would start on many teams

Bradberry - looks washed, but has been up and down lately wouldn’t surprise me if he bounced back next year with a better coordinator, but as of now looks washed

Blankenship - does nothing special, but won’t lose your games. Merely decent.

Byard - meh. Can do worse, can do a lot better

Maddox - hard to say, has been injured. Usually very good when healthy.

Graham - not what he used to be, but still a quality depth edge

Nolan Smith - meh so far, but potential.

 

That’s my evals of the defense.

We need to tone it down on best in the NFL for a decade for Jalen Carter.  We’re not there yet.  And almost no one is anything for a decade in the NFL anymore.

32 minutes ago, Birdman said:

I get the distinct feeling that Lurie will be meeting with players individually this week to assess. 

If he walks away thinking that Nick has lost the locker room I don't think he'll hesitate pulling the trigger. 

In the offseason he will do exactly that.  And the results of those meetings will likely determine Siri’s fate.  I think Lowie wants to keep him.  Ditching the coach is understandable under the circumstances, but the Howie/Lurie are still inserting themselves into the line of fire by doing so.  They’ll get bad press over it, they’ll be called controlling, we’ll hear about bad franchise culture and dysfunction…..if Siri can be salvaged, they’ll want to salvage him.  This is a guy that still gladly yields control to them…not Chip and not post SB Doug.

18 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

 

It’s a dumb move but Roby hasn’t been that good imo 

Whose brilliant idea was it to go into the season with no lbs?

Just now, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Whose brilliant idea was it to go into the season with no lbs?

@paco

52 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Well, I guess this is where we disagree. What if what we see is not a down year, but as good as Hurts can be. Playing from behind much more this season forced the offense to be opened up. The offense is too predictable and too easy to scheme away key players. Opposing defenses even took away Hurts' running ability for the most part. The game plan of getting early leads and then turning loose the DL worked last year, but there has been no growth...all the same. They didn't have those early  leads and everything fell back on Hurts' shoulders.

Hurts’ decision making has regressed. His ability to see past the first read seems to have taken a step back. 
 

is his regression on the OC? How much does Hurts own?

Neither here nor there right now, but Lane Johnson’s body isn’t aging like Jason Kelce’s.  If they want to ride him for as long as possible (and he’s a HOF RT who has earned it)…hes going to end up on permanent IR with an ankle/foot injury sooner rather than later.  And an entire season will be lost solely because of that one injury that is coming.

They have so many glaring holes right now…and that’s a position currently being played at a pro-bowl level.  But that one is a ticking time bomb if they spend all their resources on the glaring holes this offseason.

Looking at potential salary cap moves for 2024 and my preference on first glance would be to post-June 1 both Bradberry and Maddox 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah i don’t see this as a chip Kelly situation where everyone hates him behind the scenes and where they are wanting to fire sirianni. I think fans want that more than lurie and howie.

I think they look at this saying our personnel and moves we made this offseason on defense wasnt good enough. Also made a mistake on our DC going with inexperienced desai and Patricia is useless. They’ll go try and get a massive upgrade there. Potentially scheme change.

I think what they’re going to look at offensively say they need an outside voice to come in. Because need an objective outsider not someone doing self scouting just think he’s gonna tinker this and that and it’s fixed. Why I said I think they’re going to bring in somebody from the outside to work with sirianni’s at his office. Now maybe that doesn’t go well and it rubs Sirianni  the wrong way and then you have a major blow up in 2024. But I would bet a lot of money sirianni is back and that’s the direction they go.

They’ll give Nick every opportunity to turn it around as long as he plays ball the way Lurie and Roseman want their coaches to. Doug was fired because he was defiant. Chip was gone because he lost the players and the power struggle with Roseman. 
 

We’re basically at the Scangarello point in the ever-repeating time loop of this team. But they need to hit this time on whoever they bring in from the outside.