8 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If that's true, what do you think Lurie and Howie would do about that?  There will always be little things here and there but if it's this huge organizational wide problem, what do you think Lurie and Howie would do about it?  

You act like they haven’t been part of that in the past. I don’t believe for a Fing second they’re innocent of doing that. It might not be directly but indirectly. it keeps happening, so I guess they’re not doing a good enough job multiple fronts 

You know it would stop it if it was just reporters making up stories? take away the Fing credentials. Make a Fing statement that if you’re gonna make up BS stories and just pure speculation on bs then we’re not gonna allow you to cover the team. That would be a pretty strong statement to reporters. Guess what hasn’t happened? If they were that mad at mclane for making things up and believed strongly he didn’t have an actual source in that organization saying that then it would be a solution to squash it.

now you’re gonna say well he doesn’t have to release is sources so the eagles wouldn’t know. When you work as a journalist, you know the people who have legitimately good sources and the ones are just BS like a Marcus hayes. That’s why all the time people make fun of Jason la canfora. Because he has BS sources. 

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

There's a difference between reporters writing speculation, filling in the gaps of what they see on the field or hear in interviews and a mole leaking secret info for decades.  When the game broadcast shows players arguing, or a player says something in an interview that can be spun a certain way then they can write about it, show quotes out of context (which happens a lot) and things to build a story or narrative, or ask questions but not make definitive statements.  The AJ Brown thing is a perfect example. Players in the heat of the moment are seen getting animated and the narrative is instantly that AJ Brown and Hurts relationship is now rocky, and AJ Brown complained he wants more targets.  No one knows what they actually said.  Hurts always looks stoic on the sidelines and in interviews even after a win.  When they were winning, the narrative was he's a leader who is focused and all business.  Once they started losing, the narrative became he's too serious and has too high a standard, he needs to be more vocal and have "fun" and hype the guys up, that's the problem.

Those aren't leaks from a mole, those are taking what you're seeing and hearing and creating stories or opinion pieces.

The Doug thing when he said he wasn't making changes to coaches then a couple days later they fired the coaches, that's public info.  You can write stories on that and make speculation about what's happening and question what is going on with the leadership...that wasn't based on a leak from a secret mole, that was what the organization shows publicly.

 

Brandon Graham basically confirmed the Hurts leadership/fun story after the fact. 

AJ Brown today said the anonymous source to Marcus Hayes is what made him want to apologize to the team. 

Some writers stretch the truth, some make it up, but there’s also truth in there too. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not gonna keep going on this with you. You can believe whatever the F you want. I don’t give a flying F what you believe.

I worked as a journalist. I’m telling you right now journalist don’t get to speculation without having a source they trust and asking them multiple times before reporting it. That’s how it works. you don’t just run with things you are "hearing” unless you have a trusted source and most of the time collaborated by another source that has similar stuff 

And it doesn’t have to be one single mole over a decade. This could be multiple people in that organization that like to hear themselves talk and have an asked to grind with somebody. Usually people don’t rock the boat or have anything bad to say about someone else until things start going poorly or is over. 

You don't have to get mad at me, you do care since we're discussing it. I don't buy the conspiracy theories that often show up - only when they're losing - and that there is a huge organization wide problem with leaks.

What you described is how journalism should work, but we've seen how media over the years has become more sensational and click bait oriented.  You can tell from questions asked in the press conferences they're fishing for something they can then report.  They ask questions that the coaches and players laugh at, shrug, roll their eyes because they're ridiculous.  They're throwing something out there to see if they can get anything out of the player to then make a report with a headline spin and quotes taken out of context.  Just today, Berman asked Hurts if he has a 1:1 meeting with Nick (I do), is that planned or is that situational (it's planned) and then he asked what day of the week is that?  Hurts laughed and said next question.  What kind of questioning is that?  He's fishing for some controversy to stir up.  If it's not a weekly planned meeting, the story becomes that Siri has called Hurts into his office for private 1:1 meetings after a string of losses or something to that effect.  It's not from a leak, it's from piecing together a narrative.

Again, if there's THAT MUCH of a problem of disgruntled employees leaking information...what are Howie and Lurie doing about that? 

23 minutes ago, NOTW said:

You don't have to get mad at me, you do care since we're discussing it. I don't buy the conspiracy theories that often show up - only when they're losing - and that there is a huge organization wide problem with leaks.

What you described is how journalism should work, but we've seen how media over the years has become more sensational and click bait oriented.  You can tell from questions asked in the press conferences they're fishing for something they can then report.  They ask questions that the coaches and players laugh at, shrug, roll their eyes because they're ridiculous.  They're throwing something out there to see if they can get anything out of the player to then make a report with a headline spin and quotes taken out of context.  Just today, Berman asked Hurts if he has a 1:1 meeting with Nick (I do), is that planned or is that situational (it's planned) and then he asked what day of the week is that?  Hurts laughed and said next question.  What kind of questioning is that?  He's fishing for some controversy to stir up.  If it's not a weekly planned meeting, the story becomes that Siri has called Hurts into his office for private 1:1 meetings after a string of losses or something to that effect.  It's not from a leak, it's from piecing together a narrative.

Again, if there's THAT MUCH of a problem of disgruntled employees leaking information...what are Howie and Lurie doing about that? 

Again i say to you you act like howie and lurie aren’t part of the people doing it directly or indirectly. and haven’t harbored a culture of it happening every time it happens and dysfunction has been there from Joe banner ousting, end of reid era feud with howie, howie/chip feud, doug/howie/Lurie issues heading into 2020 and after and friction and leaked reports on wentz from 2018-2020. People talk when things aren’t going well and hide behind being an anonymous.   

again, you seem to think journalist are just  making up stories. If they were making up stories, howie and lurie would take away their credentials. I’m telling you right now. I’ve seen it happen. It’s pretty easy for an Eagles organization that has a lot of money and resources to find out if a reporter has absolutely no good sources and he’s making something up. And continuously lying. You seem to think the eagles would allow reporters to just keep making up stories and continue to come into the facility 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You act like they haven’t been part of that in the past. I don’t believe for a Fing second they’re innocent of doing that. It might not be directly but indirectly. it keeps happening, so I guess they’re not doing a good enough job multiple fronts 

You know it would stop it if it was just reporters making up stories? take away the Fing credentials. Make a Fing statement that if you’re gonna make up BS stories and just pure speculation on bs then we’re not gonna allow you to cover the team. That would be a pretty strong statement to reporters. Guess what hasn’t happened? If they were that mad at mclane for making things up and believed strongly he didn’t have an actual source in that organization saying that then it would be a solution to squash it.

now you’re gonna say well he doesn’t have to release is sources so the eagles wouldn’t know. When you work as a journalist, you know the people who have legitimately good sources and the ones are just BS like a Marcus hayes. That’s why all the time people make fun of Jason la canfora. Because he has BS sources. 

I suppose if you think that both Lurie and Howie are in on it themselves as well then what's more to say?  I don't buy that.  

Often the conspiracy theory reports aren't coming from the ones in the room with credentials, but then that opens up the opportunity for others to write about it.  It's like free agent speculation for example:  "Could the Eagles target ___ in free agency?" is posted by someone and then others pick it up as a "story" that "source are reporting the Eagles might target...  so when it's speculation (are there problems with Doug and the front office?) that's not going to cause them to remove credentials.  I don't think the front office wants to like go to war with the media and make matters worse.  They just dismiss the rumors and get on the same page about response like most organizations do.

Media.. blah blah blah. Win a damn game

8 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I suppose if you think that both Lurie and Howie are in on it themselves as well then what's more to say?  I don't buy that.  

Often the conspiracy theory reports aren't coming from the ones in the room with credentials, but then that opens up the opportunity for others to write about it.  It's like free agent speculation for example:  "Could the Eagles target ___ in free agency?" is posted by someone and then others pick it up as a "story" that "source are reporting the Eagles might target...  so when it's speculation (are there problems with Doug and the front office?) that's not going to cause them to remove credentials.  I don't think the front office wants to like go to war with the media and make matters worse.  They just dismiss the rumors and get on the same page about response like most organizations do.

It wouldn’t be a war if they thought they were making complete BS up and didn’t have sources. They’d go out and say it and prove it. that’s called protecting your brand from erroneous accusations or accounts. And it would be worth the "war” (you want to call it that) if they knew those reporters were 100% making up BS. 

you can believe howie and Jeff have not leak things out. I don’t believe for a second in 20+ years with the eagles they haven’t leaked something directly or indirectly. Heck bo wulf worked for the eagles and in past episodes cracked jokes about when it’s been obvious. 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Brandon Graham basically confirmed the Hurts leadership/fun story after the fact. 

AJ Brown today said the anonymous source to Marcus Hayes is what made him want to apologize to the team. 

Some writers stretch the truth, some make it up, but there’s also truth in there too. 

What did BG say about Hurts leadership?  I recall seeing an interview where he said he (BG himself) is always optimistic and wants to stay positive and have fun, that sort of thing.  What did he say to confirm that the players think Hurts leadership is in question because he doesn't have enough fun?

AJ Brown today, I watched the entire clip (below) and he denied that there is any player who said those things.  He said he hoped Hayes would be there so he could ask him which player said it, because he doesn't believe any player would say that, he knows his teammates.  He said he apologized to his teammates because they had to end up answering questions about that and why he wasn't talking to the media.  

 

 

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Eagles 27, Giants 14

Eagles defense looks competent against Tyrod, who's not really competent.

Bonus -- Sydney Brown INT

Eagles 36

Giants 18

 

Eagles win NFCE

 

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30 minutes ago, NOTW said:

What did BG say about Hurts leadership?  I recall seeing an interview where he said he (BG himself) is always optimistic and wants to stay positive and have fun, that sort of thing.  What did he say to confirm that the players think Hurts leadership is in question because he doesn't have enough fun?

AJ Brown today, I watched the entire clip (below) and he denied that there is any player who said those things.  He said he hoped Hayes would be there so he could ask him which player said it, because he doesn't believe any player would say that, he knows his teammates.  He said he apologized to his teammates because they had to end up answering questions about that and why he wasn't talking to the media.  

 

 

I’ll say this Marcus hayes is a bad journalist and reporter. The fact he didn’t show up today to ask and defend himself tells you everything about him. He’s an opinion guy with **** sources. When it comes to him i don’t pay attention to it. That’s not a reporter I’d trust. He’s also not a beat reporter and around the team that much. Dgunn isn’t around them as much anymore but he’s built up relationships and has been one of the more accurate reporters  

I think mclane is a smug dbag that tends to be much more negative in his reporting. I get why people dislike him. He has a crappy personality. That said i know Jeff mclane is down there anytime there’s a presser, locker room interviews and he will ask questions about things his sources have told him or tougher questions. He’s not afraid to go there, show his face and ask the questions he needs too. I don’t question the fact he has good sources. He shown that to the point that Adam schefter has referred to him saying yeah that’s the same things I’ve heard. Just saying he was on the chip/howie feud back in 2014, he was on the issues surrounding wentz in 2018-2020 and he was on with the struggle between doug/howie/lurie leading into 2020 season and at the very end. Can say a lot of things about mclane like he’s negative in his reporting and it’s always him when things go poorly, but just making up sources and what they tell him isn’t one of them. 

17 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Eagles 36

Giants 18

 

Eagles win NFCE

You think the cowboys lose to the commanders? Off your rocker

Today's back and forth before the final regular season game just goes to show how exciting the offseason is going to be.

 

So how are we feeling about Tampa?

11 minutes ago, devpool said:

You think the cowboys lose to the commanders? Off your rocker

You could have said the same at the end of last year and they got pummeled 26-6, despite playing their starters. Theyve lost back to back road games, 3-5 on the road this season, and really haven’t looked themselves since playing Philly over a month ago. Let’s say the odds are 30%. That’s still probably higher than people guessing Hurts will have a bunch yards and TDs, or player X will get an interception.

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

So how are we feeling about Tampa?

Nice city, decent aquarium.

Even if the leaks aren’t malicious in nature it’s not like players don’t slip up and say things or accidentally reveal things either. I’d bet Howie/Nick/Bob weren’t thrilled when AJ revealed today the fact they were freelancing at the end of the Seattle game. 

8 minutes ago, Know Life said:

Nice city, decent aquarium.

Craphole. Drive a few hours south.

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Craphole. Drive a few hours south.

I’ve only spent a few hours there in the course of eight years in FL; it didn’t seem that bad to me. Plus, the humane society there took excellent care of my rescue Pit when she had heartworm, so it’s okay in my book.

17 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

You could have said the same at the end of last year and they got pummeled 26-6, despite playing their starters. Theyve lost back to back road games, 3-5 on the road this season, and really haven’t looked themselves since playing Philly over a month ago. Let’s say the odds are 30%. That’s still probably higher than people guessing Hurts will have a bunch of TDs or player X will get an interception.

I’d have more confidence if the commanders didn’t basically trade away sweat and young. They haven’t given up less than 27 points since making that deal. Heck the jets managed to score 30 on offense. And i kind of think the offense is just done. They’ve scored over 21 points just once in their last 6 games. 

25 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

So how are we feeling about Tampa?

We beat them again, twice in same season is how I feel. After that tho ……

 

Surprised no Hurts.  Dickerson is going to be expensive with his new deal.  Surprised Blankenship didn't make it in when he was leading votes.  Shocked that Jalen Carter didn't make it.

 

 

 

What about our fing kicker? He’s the goat 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d have more confidence if the commanders didn’t basically trade away sweat and young. They haven’t given up less than 27 points since making that deal. Heck the jets managed to score 30 on offense. And i kind of think the offense is just done. They’ve scored over 21 points just once in their last 6 games. 

Jalen Carter only 4th alternative.