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9 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

This is the most unlikeable Eagles team, top to bottom, in quite awhile.  One of the first times I can honestly say I won’t even be turning the game on.

This team quit, so they should expect the reciprocity.   My Youtube TV bill renews on Monday, so I guess I won't be watching either.

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It really makes you wonder about that story where Sirianni and Gannon would stay up all night diagramming plays back and forth...

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Lol 

 

59 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Nick Morrow is awful. I would say he needs to be benched but they already cut their best reserve LB

To protect Calcaterra and Alex O.   Neither of which were going to be picked up by anyone.   Elliss, for his warts as a defender, was a very very good ST player.   Alex O can't even dress for games.  But, they were desperate to keep that sack of potatoes on the roster, even though he's also on the last year of his contract.   Makes no logical sense.  Seems like a roster move made by a guy trying desperately not to admit that he'd screwed up royally with that trade.    

 

Howie needs to be held accountable for this season as much as the coaches, at least defensively.   The defense he assembled is criminally bad.

54 minutes ago, hoosierdaddy said:

Literally the two worst playoff teams in the history of the NFL squaring off against each other next Monday. 

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4 minutes ago, McMVP said:

They are night and day.  In 2017, the team had heart and fight in them.  This team is apathetic.  They just want the season to be over.  
 

Hungry dogs may run faster, but these dogs are acting like they just spent 24 hours at an all you can eat buffet

That was an unbelievable team that was trying to figure out how to win with a backup QB. This is a disorganized mess both offensively and defensively. 

47 minutes ago, just relax said:

The lethargy, disinterest, lack of commitment, and confusion are far worse this time around.

Correct.  That TEAM was bought in 100%.  This team seems to be checked out just as much.  Polar opposites about what was happening in the locker room then versus now.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

To protect Calcaterra and Alex O.   Neither of which were going to be picked up by anyone.   Elliss, for his warts as a defender, was a very very good ST player.   Alex O can't even dress for games.  But, they were desperate to keep that sack of potatoes on the roster, even though he's also on the last year of his contract.   Makes no logical sense.  Seems like a roster move made by a guy trying desperately not to admit that he'd screwed up royally with that trade.    

 

Howie needs to be held accountable for this season as much as the coaches, at least defensively.   The defense he assembled is criminally bad.

At some point they have to stop pretending Linebackers don’t matter. The softest Eagles defense I’ve seen in some time. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol 

 

Wink Martindale has gotten abused by our offense. Thats fine with me. 

4 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

At some point they have to stop pretending Linebackers don’t matter. The softest Eagles defense I’ve seen in some time. 

What’s funny is the last 3 eagles teams that got to the SB had good linebackers. At some point it’s not a coincidence that you had above average linebackers those years. Frankly Kendricks stepping in for hicks was massive for the eagles. Arguably one of Kendricks best seasons here.  

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Been saying this for weeks now. Don’t get me wrong their coaching hasn’t been good at all but the biggest issue they have is in terms of talent/personnel. Guys aren’t the same players as last year, they lost a bunch of guys who were frankly better players and guys didn’t make the jumps they thought they would. I pointed out weeks ago, they downgraded at almost every unit on defense. The only question was how significantly they downgraded. I’d argue at linebacker and safety it was significant. And even DL and corner it was bigger than people wanted to think cause bradberry aged, slay didn’t stay healthy, we lack quality depth and reddick and sweat couldn’t match their career years.

it’s why when i said fire/demote desai it’s not making a difference. One bad coach to another bad coach with personnel being what it is it isn’t going to save them. Granted i thought they’d at least look competent vs. Cardinals and giants. They managed to actually be worse 

I think its still both.  Last year was also a bad scheme, as evidenced by how they would get carved up by even mediocre QBs last year, but the talent would overcome their mediocrity in the end.    But, this year, you add a bad scheme and diminishing talent... and you get what you get.  The DL carried them early, I think... and would flash.  No one in the NFL knew how to stop Carter's freakish natural ability.   But, frankly, he's been figured out too, and the NFL has adjusted to him.  He needs coaching to get to the next level.  "You don't have enough talent to win on talent alone."  - Herb Brooks to the 1980 US Olympic Hockey team... But that's the mantra every coach should push into every NFL player, from the 5 star blue chip prospect, to the lowliest UDFA, because at the next level you need talent AND technique.   Carter has all-world talent, but without technique, he's not going to do as much as his talent would suggest.   The NFL adjusted to him and he's not getting the coaching to be able to counter that right now.  

IMO the team needs a defensive head coach , let him hire a OC that he wants and knows. aaron glenn and raheem morris would make my list

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

To protect Calcaterra and Alex O.   Neither of which were going to be picked up by anyone.   Elliss, for his warts as a defender, was a very very good ST player.   Alex O can't even dress for games.  But, they were desperate to keep that sack of potatoes on the roster, even though he's also on the last year of his contract.   Makes no logical sense.  Seems like a roster move made by a guy trying desperately not to admit that he'd screwed up royally with that trade.    

 

Howie needs to be held accountable for this season as much as the coaches, at least defensively.   The defense he assembled is criminally bad.

Howie is not getting nearly enough heat IMO. He shares as much, if not more, of the blame for the defense this year compared to the coaches. 
 

Howie is great at negotiating contracts and making trades, but his talent evaluation (pro personnel and college) is just bad. He ideally is suited for a Joe Banner role. Hopefully Jeffrey finally realizes this. 

1 hour ago, hoosierdaddy said:

Literally the two worst playoff teams in the history of the NFL squaring off against each other next Monday. 

The Vikings/Giants last year was probably pretty close. Vikings success was way overstated and then the bad Giants beat them which pretty much single handedly gave Jones a 40M AAV contract. Then we put an absolute beatdown on them the following week.

2 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Howie is not getting nearly enough heat IMO. He’s shares as much, if not more, of the blame for the defense this year compared to the coaches. 
 

Howie is great at negotiating contracts and making trades, but his talent evaluation (pro personnel and college) is just bad. He ideally is suited for a Joe Banner role. Hopefully Jeffrey finally realizes this. 

He's only good at making trades in the offseason.  In-season trades he's got Jay Ajayi on one side... and a pile of crap on the other.   

3 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Howie is not getting nearly enough heat IMO. He shares as much, if not more, of the blame for the defense this year compared to the coaches. 
 

Howie is great at negotiating contracts and making trades, but his talent evaluation (pro personnel and college) is just bad. He ideally is suited for a Joe Banner role. Hopefully Jeffrey finally realizes this. 

Lurie’s voluminous notes said Howie was making the best talent evaluations back in 2011. Lurie is blinded by Howie. 

1 hour ago, bitbased said:

I think people forget that whenever we played against good QBs (which didn't happen very often compared to this year) it was basically expected to give up an 85%+ completion rate. Difference was that we had the raw talent to make plays at the right time. We don't have that now. We do on the DL still but we get basically zero pressure anymore.

The assumption that the DL has the same level of talent as last year is bit shaky, as players like Reddick/Sweat could've been playing above their heads in 2022 and the Hargrave/Carter swap isn't a fair one in Year 1 (even role players like LJ and Suh might be better in the short-term than their replacements).  This type of regression was likely hard to hold back w/o better personnel added elsewhere on the defense or yeoman work by the coaching staff.  What we are seeing is the opposite where the back 7 is obviously overmatched, and the DL is also playing like a rabble (they don't contain the QB meaning that pressure doesn't convert to sacks/turnover opportunities, they don't consistently play their gaps meaning that somebody has to decisively win their rep to bottle up the run, and guys like Carter/JD/Milton aren't getting much better in terms of technique as opposing OL's get film on how to counter their strengths).

3 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

IMO the team needs a defensive head coach , let him hire a OC that he wants and knows. aaron glenn and raheem morris would make my list

I would get behind this, but it's not going to happen. Lurie hasn't hired a defensive minded HC since Rhodes and he's obsessed with offensive analytics and explosives. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think its still both.  Last year was also a bad scheme, as evidenced by how they would get carved up by even mediocre QBs last year, but the talent would overcome their mediocrity in the end.    But, this year, you add a bad scheme and diminishing talent... and you get what you get.  The DL carried them early, I think... and would flash.  No one in the NFL knew how to stop Carter's freakish natural ability.   But, frankly, he's been figured out too, and the NFL has adjusted to him.  He needs coaching to get to the next level.  "You don't have enough talent to win on talent alone."  - Herb Brooks to the 1980 US Olympic Hockey team... But that's the mantra every coach should push into every NFL player, from the 5 star blue chip prospect, to the lowliest UDFA, because at the next level you need talent AND technique.   Carter has all-world talent, but without technique, he's not going to do as much as his talent would suggest.   The NFL adjusted to him and he's not getting the coaching to be able to counter that right now.  

I think it’s both. However imo the bigger issue is personnel. Get a better coach can scheme up and hide some of the weaknesses better. However when i watch defenses like Sf, baltimore and even Dallas they have overall better personnel to run their schemes. They also do a hell of a lot better drafting and developing defensive players. Eagles frankly rely on way too many older veterans like Cox and graham and way too much on trades/FA to build the defense. The entire linebacking corps (with Dean out), byard, bradberry, slay and reddick are all guys they picked up. I think that’s why you see this insane highs and lows with the defense year to year since 2016. 

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The way this team is playing, there is no question there is something fundamentally/organizationally wrong.  What we are seeing is a complete collapse from within...it's like a fire that starts in a tall building and you don't see it from the outside at first.  But then you start seeing some smoke leak out in places, then the flames and eventually the building collapses.  What we see on the field is the wreckage and debris following an internal collapse.

Question is, how did the fire start and why wasn't it extinguished immediately?  Who threw gas on it?

 

3 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Lurie’s voluminous notes said Howie was making the best talent evaluations back in 2011. Lurie is blinded by Howie. 

If Howie's talent evaluations are the best in the organization, then its time to clean house and bring in an entirely new scouting department.   This team hasn't successfully drafted defensively since Andy Reid left.   Yes, they run heavy on the offensive side of the ball on draft day, which is fine.   But, even in those situations where they pull the trigger on a defender, they have whiffed massively.

And I don't want to hear about what Rasul Douglas did elsewhere, or Casey Toohill, or Jordan Poyer.   NONE of that matters to THIS team, and if this GM/scouting department isn't on the same page with the defensive coaches then BOTH parties are at fault for the lack of cohesion between the two.   Teams like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Francisco seem to know what 'their type' of defensive personnel is and then they go out and find those players... and the coaches know what to do with them when they show up.   This team hasn't drafted a player like that defensively since Fletcher Cox.   That was the 2012 draft.  Imagine that.  MAYBE Jalen Carter turns into that... but he was a gift to this team by a tragic set of pre-draft circumstances and he wouldn't have made it past the top 5 if not for his legal issues prior to draft day.  

When this team makes a selection in the top 3 rounds on the defensive side... its been really really bad over the years.   

 

Let Howie stick around for trades and contracts... but get SOMEONE ELSE pulling the trigger on roster construction.  

 

 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think it’s both. However imo the bigger issue is personnel. Get a better coach can scheme up and hide some of the weaknesses better. However when i watch defenses like Sf, baltimore and even Dallas they have overall better personnel to run their schemes. They also do a hell of a lot better drafting and developing defensive players. Eagles frankly rely on way too many older veterans like Cox and graham and way too much on trades/FA to build the defense. The entire linebacking corps (with Dean out), byard, bradberry, slay and reddick are all guys they picked up. I think that’s why you see this insane highs and lows with the defense year to year since 2016. 

I can't argue, and laid out a lot of the problems with this defense going back further than 2016.   The scouting department and coaches are still splintered, just as they were during the Chip error.  Howie has his guys... and the coaches don't seem able to communicate what they are looking for for their schemes, which leads to players playing out of their roles... and some even go on to have more success elsewhere because they are no longer a square peg for a round hole.

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16 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

IMO the team needs a defensive head coach , let him hire a OC that he wants and knows. aaron glenn and raheem morris would make my list

And if your OC is good, you risk having him and his offense poached.

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