Coaching is clearly one of the biggest issues with this team. Howie & Lurie share blame as well for running this circus. But for these players to just absolutely quit without any regard us fans and the city - it is sickening. If you’re not bought it at least have a little pride. There’s not one single player aside from DeVonta and Jake from this shitstorm I want on the next regime. They all stink to high heaven.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

And if your OC is good, you risk having him and his offense poached.

That's happened the last two times this team went to the Super Bowl... and it didn't protect us from this level of implosion.  

If we had a stable defense... we wouldn't need as prolific an offense to cover for the lack of competent defensive play.  

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

Screw the Eagles for making me defend Matt Patricia.  But you'd have to be a freaking savant to turn this defense around after the bye, running someone else's scheme, with a worn out/unproductive DL and the worst back 7 in the league.

It's completely insane that they did that and still kept Desai in the building.  It's utter incompetence and even the players don't give enough of a ish to hide it.  They're saying it openly.

Horseshit, utter horseshit, you don't need to be Chuck Noll to know that dropping a Brandon Graham into coverage is a fools errand, literally anyone who has even a passing knowledge of football and or human physiology can tell you that a 35 year old rotational DE is not going to be effective playing coverage, similarly the players don't just look bad, they look lost, like they don't know what the assignments are, last night the Giant's receivers were stood in acres of space the entire first half, Patricia isn't even slowing teams down, and he had a powderpuff schedule to pad his stats and make the decision to screw over Desai look like a genius move.

Desai calling his own defense would've won us these last three games and the 2 seed, instead the brains trust panicked after brutal games against the leagues two hottest offenses and threw him under the bus and installed someone who has turned the defense from a problem into a flat out embarrassment, it's just a bunch of guys wearing uniforms and numbers with no structure or scheme playing out the games for contractual reasons.

There won't be a playoff blog.  Decades from now, our descendants will be able to find the narrative to this epic collapse in a single thread - and thank us for it.

 

And @Iggles_Phan, I doubt the splitting of the Blog would cause the DL to forget how to rush, the LBs to forget how to tackle, and the DBs to forget how to cover.

The scary part with Nick is that from a talent, veteran leadership, and support standpoint, this is as good as it’s going to get for him and the team is just reeling right now. What does this team look like without Kelce, Cox, and Graham next season? What happens if they go on a two game skid next season? Everyone will get PTSD from this season and implode again. The Hurts deal will not allow them to constantly reload with FA signings and impact players. They’ll have to rely on the draft for that. 

51 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

it will look like when tom brady and the bucs ass whooped us in the playoffs . when they said hurts can't read a defense.

Is it wrong that I'm rooting for that outcome?

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

There won't be a playoff blog.  Decades from now, our descendants will be able to find the narrative to this epic collapse in a single thread - and thank us for it.

 

And @Iggles_Phan, I doubt the splitting of the Blog would cause the DL to forget how to rush, the LBs to forget how to tackle, and the DBs to forget how to cover.

Butterfly effect.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I can't argue, and laid out a lot of the problems with this defense going back further than 2016.   The scouting department and coaches are still splintered, just as they were during the Chip error.  Howie has his guys... and the coaches don't see able to communicate what they are looking for for their schemes, which leads to players playing out of their roles... and some even go on to have more success elsewhere because they are no longer a square peg for a round hole.

Yeah their drafting and developing has been bad on defense for a while. It’s why since 2013, they’ve really only drafted maddox, mills, hicks, sweat and Carter who exceeded their draft position with the eagles (doesn’t include poyer or douglas who left and became good. Doesn’t count cause you didn’t get them there cause you couldn’t develop or fit a scheme around them). If we go back to just 2019, besides the 2021 (I’d say 2022 but really davis hasn’t remotely played as well as he should be for where they took him) they have about 1 starter playing as a high level starter. This year it’s basically Carter. in 2022 it’s jurgens and frankly davis has been disappointing for most of his career so far outside of a hand full of games. 2021 smith and Dickerson. 2020 it’s hurts and no one left from 2019. 

2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Gannon with this defensive personnel and schedule and all the injuries remaining equal would have seen us concede 40 plus every game from the first Cowboys game to the second inclusive, and it's revisionism to pretend otherwise. Gannon couldn't make in game adjustments to save his life, if you were getting your ass kicked first half, you were getting it kicked the second too.

Desai was doing a decent job until he hit the toughest bit of the schedule with no inside linebackers or nickel corners, management decided to overreact and install Patricia and he proved that it really definitely was Bill Bellichick that ran the defense in New England.

On the Offense, you could put anyone in at QB, but if all you've got is the same 4 or 5 plays and you can't develop quick passing plays to beat a blitz, eventually you'll get found out, and that's what happened. We stopped Hurt's running and took away the 'one neat trick' of the offense that made the very limited everything else work.

Firing Desai mid season and stopping Hurts doing the one thing that disguised how limited your playbook was might be the dumbest coaching decisions in the history of the franchise.

The stupid thing is we could probably beat Tampa if the defense found some professional pride and even half turned up, but if the defense plays like it has the last two weeks, we'll lose to Tampa but that will spare us getting absolutely cornholed for a historic beating by San Francisco a week later.

 

What's funny is they seem to match up pretty well against Tampa's offense (if Slay is back). But we shall see. This team seems snake bitten at this point.

40 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That was an unbelievable team that was trying to figure out how to win with a backup QB. This is a disorganized mess both offensively and defensively. 

Arthur smith for OC?

11 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Horseshit, utter horseshit, you don't need to be Chuck Noll to know that dropping a Brandon Graham into coverage is a fools errand, literally anyone who has even a passing knowledge of football and or human physiology can tell you that a 35 year old rotational DE is not going to be effective playing coverage, similarly the players don't just look bad, they look lost, like they don't know what the assignments are, last night the Giant's receivers were stood in acres of space the entire first half, Patricia isn't even slowing teams down, and he had a powderpuff schedule to pad his stats and make the decision to screw over Desai look like a genius move.

Desai calling his own defense would've won us these last three games and the 2 seed, instead the brains trust panicked after brutal games against the leagues two hottest offenses and threw him under the bus and installed someone who has turned the defense from a problem into a flat out embarrassment, it's just a bunch of guys wearing uniforms and numbers with no structure or scheme playing out the games for contractual reasons.

What made the decision a panic decision was doing it in week 15 after facing 3 top 5 offenses and thinking it was enough time to transition. It was never going to be and i still say players saw the "confidence” in desai reason and said that’s BS and didn’t buy in. And reddick flat out said to McManus and reporters having to learn all new stuff made it even more difficult 

What made it dumb was they moved to Patricia. Who was gonna basically run desai’s defense and had shown to be inept. His defense got worse and worse every year with the lions. And proved he was bad without belichick holding his hand. Id be surprised if Patricia is ever a coordinator again in the nfl. Probably destined to be a positional coach that bounces around the league 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think it’s both. However imo the bigger issue is personnel. Get a better coach can scheme up and hide some of the weaknesses better. However when i watch defenses like Sf, baltimore and even Dallas they have overall better personnel to run their schemes. They also do a hell of a lot better drafting and developing defensive players. Eagles frankly rely on way too many older veterans like Cox and graham and way too much on trades/FA to build the defense. The entire linebacking corps (with Dean out), byard, bradberry, slay and reddick are all guys they picked up. I think that’s why you see this insane highs and lows with the defense year to year since 2016. 

Yeah, if you are going play rookies -or- veteran players with physical limitations the DC is going to have pull some rabbits on the scheme level and the position coaches need to ensure that the players are as assignment sound as possible.  At the scheme level we are predictable, as we don't have a real FS that can confidently play centerfield as a single high -or- drop into the slot/reliably play man coverage.  I think either Reed or Byard is fine, but both are handcuffs.  CB-wise we have either green players or those in decline - none of which can play reliable press man, so soft coverage or zone with a 2H shell is the norm .  The LBs are completely toothless, I mean Cunningham is probably an OK 2-down linebacker in coherent defense but that's it right now.  You put that all together and  layer on the no 'big play mandate' and the DC is in a box.  Even if the DC is allowed to become more aggressive, look at all the blown coverages yesterday... the position coaches aren't getting their part done either.  Like shooting fish in barrel, where even last year's DL would likely look meh.

8 minutes ago, paco said:

Is it wrong that I'm rooting for that outcome?

Yeah, especially when we have the talent to mitigate it, unfortunately coaching will fail this team once more. 

@mattwill

Eagles 24, Bucs 17

I'm not sure why NFL coaches supposedly work until all hours of the night.  Bucs are lousy against the run, so ..... run the ball?

I've been hiding, watching this collapse happen from my couch.  My takes here:

1. Howie put together this atrocious defense.  He deserves at least part of the blame.  I don't really care who the DC is, if you don't have talent, you're gonna be bad.  Poor drafting, questionable free agent decisions, have all doomed us with a terrible defense.  

2. Can Nick Sirianni actually even remain the head coach of this team?  It's clear he lost the locker room quite some time ago.  Trust and respect is pretty hard to earn back after it's been lost.  

3. Hurts has been pretty bad during this collapse.  Everybody will have their bad stretches of games, but the fall off seems to be rather Carson Wentz-esque.  I hope I'm wrong and that Hurts will remain the franchise QB and win a championship here.

4. Anybody remember an Eagles collapse this bad?  There was one in (94?), but that wasn't like this.  This was the defending NFC champion that went from 10-1 to probably losing a road playoff game in the wild card round.  

 

And @mattwill 

Bucs - 28, Eagles - 9

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Yeah, if you are going play rookies -or- veteran players with physical limitations the DC is going to have pull some rabbits on the scheme level and the position coaches need to ensure that the players are as assignment sound as possible.  At the scheme level we are predictable, as we don't have a real FS that can confidently play centerfield as a single high -or- drop into the slot/reliably play man coverage.  I think either Reed or Byard is fine, but both are handcuffs.  CB-wise we have either green players or those in decline - none of which can play reliable press man, so soft coverage or zone with a 2H shell is the norm .  The LBs are completely toothless, I mean Cunningham is probably an OK 2-down linebacker in coherent defense but that's it right now.  You put that all together and  layer on the no 'big play mandate' and the DC is in a box.  Even if the DC is allowed to become more aggressive, look at all the blown coverages yesterday... the position coaches aren't getting their part done either.  Like shooting fish in barrel, where even last year's DL would likely look meh.

Was listening to a nfl podcast, talked about the SF niners and Baltimore ravens defenses. Those defense have a bunch of guys at the peak of their primes. On the eagles defense, who would we say are in the peak of the primes? They have reddick  and sweat. That’s probably it. Everyone else is young and not there yet or old and exiting their primes. 

2 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

4. Anybody remember an Eagles collapse this bad?  There was one in (94?), but that wasn't like this.  This was the defending NFC champion that went from 10-1 to probably losing a road playoff game in the wild card round.  

I can’t think of a collapse this epic and embarrassing in any sport

3 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

I've been hiding, watching this collapse happen from my couch.  My takes here:

1. Howie put together this atrocious defense.  He deserves at least part of the blame.  I don't really care who the DC is, if you don't have talent, you're gonna be bad.  Poor drafting, questionable free agent decisions, have all doomed us with a terrible defense.  

2. Can Nick Sirianni actually even remain the head coach of this team?  It's clear he lost the locker room quite some time ago.  Trust and respect is pretty hard to earn back after it's been lost.  

3. Hurts has been pretty bad during this collapse.  Everybody will have their bad stretches of games, but the fall off seems to be rather Carson Wentz-esque.  I hope I'm wrong and that Hurts will remain the franchise QB and win a championship here.

4. Anybody remember an Eagles collapse this bad?  There was one in (94?), but that wasn't like this.  This was the defending NFC champion that went from 10-1 to probably losing a road playoff game in the wild card round.  

 

Phillies blew a 2-0 and 3-2 series lead vs. the dbacks. And the eagles said hold my beer 

3 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I can’t think of a collapse this epic and embarrassing in any sport

The Mets last year are the best I can think of, but it's not like they were any good to begin with.  

12 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Arthur smith for OC?

I will say this, he will run the ball.

Sadly on Monday good chance we are likely witnessing the last games for graham, Cox and kelce in an eagles uniform. 

Wait, Glazer said before the game that AJ Brown told him they need to "start believing in the coaches?”

Good God. It’s over. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Sadly on Monday good chance we are likely witnessing the last games for graham, Cox and kelce in an eagles uniform. 

and possibly Lane Johnson as well.

But on the bright side it's probably Quez Watkins' last game too.

@mattwill

eagles 15

Bucs 31

bonus: eagles offense doesn’t get to 350 yards.