I’m not putting much into it because the team is just a disaster right now, but Goedert said the same thing at the end of the season last year about guys just waiting for the playoffs to start when they clinched and when they were slipping towards the end of last season. They ended up flipping the switch for a Super Bowl run. So he was right in that regard. 
 

The path is much harder this year, but maybe this team has an issue of taking their eye off the ball towards the end of the year. 

9 minutes ago, paco said:

You are right.

 

It looks like the SOS tiebreaker rotates by round so its "fair".  Washington, Arizona and NE all finished with the same record, but in round one Washington goes first, then in the second round NE and in the Third Arizona.  Fourth is back to Washington.

 

I never noticed that before.

 

Wink Martindale is going to be fired. The day after he completely baffled Sirianni.

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I’m not putting much into it because the team is just a disaster right now, but Goedert said the same thing at the end of the season last year about guys just waiting for the playoffs to start when they clinched and when they were slipping towards the end of last season. They ended up flipping the switch for a Super Bowl run. So he was right in that regard. 
 

The path is much harder this year, but maybe this team has an issue of taking their eye off the ball towards the end of the year. 

The collapse happened before we clinched 

20 minutes ago, paco said:

I thought the saints have the 14th pick

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl

I think they flop the tie-breakers around in the later rounds to be equitable.

5 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I’m not putting much into it because the team is just a disaster right now, but Goedert said the same thing at the end of the season last year about guys just waiting for the playoffs to start when they clinched and when they were slipping towards the end of last season. They ended up flipping the switch for a Super Bowl run. So he was right in that regard. 
 

The path is much harder this year, but maybe this team has an issue of taking their eye off the ball towards the end of the year. 

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Wink Martindale is going to be fired. The day after he completely baffled Sirianni.

I read he’s staying but all very fluid today

I think Siri has to be fired for several reasons.  I am usually late on the "fire the coach" journey, but I think this one needs to be nipped in the bud.

I actually compare this to firing AR in 2012.  Seems like a bad comparison on the surface, given the success AR had in KC, but I think it holds true.  I liked AR and thought he was a good coach.  I didn't even consider the notion of firing him until the 2012 season.  But the bottom fell out, the heat and smoke got turned so high that both coach and players didn't know right from left or up from down.

That's where we are here.  I like Siri.  He can be a bit emotional and immature with big wins, but I think he's an even keeled, respectable guy.  It may not have taken 13 years like AR, but this team has completely lost it under his guidance.  Like the end of AR, Chip, and Doug...performing simple tasks, adjustments, assignments...things ALL of these guys, coaches and players alike...are fully capable of doing...it's just not happening.  It's like a flash grenade went off inside NovaCare and the entire organization is too stunned to function.

When that happens, you need new leadership.

Also...unlike AR, who was an offensive X/O savant with a system...Siri brings nothing tangible to the table.  He's a "Tomlin" HC.  If he can't touch the defense and the offense goes as the OC goes, Siri has no function aside from being the leader.  He's not going to go somewhere else and build a novel offense that takes the league by storm.  

Lastly, they need to accelerate the timetable.  If Siri brings nothing tangible to the offense, then they need someone new in here immediately to salvage Hurts before it's too late and he's fully Wentz'd.  If they salvage Hurts, we win.  If it's more of the same with Hurts and a new HC, then the sooner we realize that, the better off we are too.

 

Just to change the topic and stop wallowing in self-pity for a minute, let's discuss something else and enjoy some schadenfreude.

For a guy who was supposed to be a generational talent like Elway/Manning/Luck, etc...

Is it fair to put Trevor Lawrence on bust watch?

I think it is. He's looking like another Goff/Wentz, not an elite QB. If I'm Jacksonville, I'm in no hurry to extend him. 

 

@mattwill

 

35-10 BUCS

 

 

49 minutes ago, paco said:

  IT'S PENNY TIME  

Penny is no longer a mystery after yesterday.  The dude flat out can’t block.   As in - worst ever at it bad. 

20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Wink Martindale is going to be fired. The day after he completely baffled Sirianni.

Well, doesn’t take much to baffle Sirianni lately - so that’s not saying much, tbh. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Just to change the topic and stop wallowing in self-pity for a minute, let's discuss something else and enjoy some schadenfreude.

For a guy who was supposed to be a generational talent like Elway/Manning/Luck, etc...

Is it fair to put Trevor Lawrence on bust watch?

I think it is. He's looking like another Goff/Wentz, not an elite QB. If I'm Jacksonville, I'm in no hurry to extend him. 

To be honest, press Taylor and Doug run similar type crap at the Eagles are doing. There’s no creativity in that offense. It was a reason why people got upset at Doug in 2019 and 2020. we forget that we complain with Doug about not using motion, no rollouts and they’d run the same place over and over again. Feels very much the same with the Eagles right now. And feels the same as what’s happening with Doug in Jacksonville in year 2.

Lawrence is probably going to be a bust considering what most expected if him

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Just to change the topic and stop wallowing in self-pity for a minute, let's discuss something else and enjoy some schadenfreude.

For a guy who was supposed to be a generational talent like Elway/Manning/Luck, etc...

Is it fair to put Trevor Lawrence on bust watch?

I think it is. He's looking like another Goff/Wentz, not an elite QB. If I'm Jacksonville, I'm in no hurry to extend him. 

Lawrence regressed every year at Clemson, IMO.  From his freshman year he was a #1 pick in waiting, but I was always skeptical he'd be a top 5 QB in the NFL.  

Sorry to say, but Doug isn't the guy to get him there.  While he was a huge breath of fresh air from the Urban Meyer debacle, that's worn off now.    

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To be honest, press Taylor and Doug run similar type crap at the Eagles are doing. There’s no creativity in that offense. It was a reason why people got upset at Doug in 2019 and 2020. we forget that we complain with Doug about not using motion, no rollouts and they’d run the same place over and over again. Feels very much the same with the Eagles right now. And feels the same as what’s happening with Doug in Jacksonville in year 2.

Lawrence is probably going to be a bust considering what most expected if him

Lawrence got a full pass for his rookie season due to the Urban Meyer debacle. Last year he wins a bad division, then stages a massive comeback against the Chargers after almost throwing the game away in the 1st half. Then he regresses badly this year and loses to a bad team with the playoffs on the line. 

It's like he skipped Wentz's 2017-2019 and jumped right to his year in Indy.

20 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I read he’s staying but all very fluid today

Yeh, I thought I read both coordinators were staying put...

16 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Just to change the topic and stop wallowing in self-pity for a minute, let's discuss something else and enjoy some schadenfreude.

For a guy who was supposed to be a generational talent like Elway/Manning/Luck, etc...

Is it fair to put Trevor Lawrence on bust watch?

I think it is. He's looking like another Goff/Wentz, not an elite QB. If I'm Jacksonville, I'm in no hurry to extend him. 

It's an interesting case study in QB-ing.  Rookie year was rookie year.  2nd year was quite good...nothing spectacular, but a nice trajectory.  And then this year was a substantial step back into mediocrity.  (FWIW, he was pretty comparable to Hurts this year as a passer despite vastly inferior weapons).

I don't think he has the surroundings to be elite, no matter how great he can be.  But players shouldn't be paid for excuses either.

I guess it's just not the going rate anymore, but players like Trevor Lawrence should get the contract Daniel Jones got.  Then you have a (thus far) non-elite QB on a big, but manageable contract...then teams with good-but-not-great QBs can stack their roster and compete with teams overpaying generational QBs.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Lawrence regressed every year at Clemson, IMO.  From his freshman year he was a #1 pick in waiting, but I was always skeptical he'd be a top 5 QB in the NFL.  

Sorry to say, but Doug isn't the guy to get him there.  While he was a huge breath of fresh air from the Urban Meyer debacle, that's worn off now.    

Doug is the human EQ one-man cleanup crew.  The Eagles literally said it when they hired him.  He replaced Chip and then Urban.

He hasn't had the right talent on his teams or the right coordinators for sustained success, but Doug Pederson IS Mike Tomlin.  He doesn't have a system, he's not a brilliant X/O guy, but he is the guy you want leading the team.  You just have to make sure you have other guys tending to the details.  And sometimes he's had that, sometimes not.

4 hours ago, Swoop said:

Time to lift the bans damn it 

I'm not expecting any major changes to the coaching staff besides hiring a new DC. Howie is going to do what he always does, push for another SB next year using the same core group. If they hire a brand new coaching staff, are players like Kelce, Cox, Graham and Johnson going to want to stick around to go through all the motions again with a new coach while they may or not be competitive? Nope. We know Howie and the Eagles are obsessed with this "core 4", and I bet all are back unless someone retires. We'll probably do something dumb and hire a guy and force him to collaborate with Nick, which will just implode at some point. 

I just read the ESPN Computer has the Eagles at a 57.9% chance of winning against the Bucs ... 

 

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It's an interesting case study in QB-ing.  Rookie year was rookie year.  2nd year was quite good...nothing spectacular, but a nice trajectory.  And then this year was a substantial step back into mediocrity.  (FWIW, he was pretty comparable to Hurts this year as a passer despite vastly inferior weapons).

I don't think he has the surroundings to be elite, no matter how great he can be.  But players shouldn't be paid for excuses either.

I guess it's just not the going rate anymore, but players like Trevor Lawrence should get the contract Daniel Jones got.  Then you have a (thus far) non-elite QB on a big, but manageable contract...then you have teams good-but-not-great QBs can stack their roster and compete with teams overpaying generational QBs.

Ridley, Kirk, Engram -- he's not working with nothing. He also doesn't add near the running dimension but somehow fumbles more. It's fair to say Hurts has been better than him each of the last 3 years. And Hurts was pick 53, not the most hyped QB since Luck and the number 1 overall pick.

18 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Is it fair to put Trevor Lawrence on bust watch?

IDK about bust yet, but I remember being chastised for saying he was overrated before the draft.

 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Ridley, Kirk, Engram -- he's not working with nothing. He also doesn't add near the running dimension but somehow fumbles more. It's fair to say Hurts has been better than him each of the last 3 years. And Hurts was pick 53, not the most hyped QB since Luck.

Such a disappointment that Colts ruined Luck