6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

I'd take him. 

1 hour ago, rrfierce said:

Be interesting to see what happens with Kelce. I have a feeling he'll be back

In a way I hope not as Jurgens isn't good enough at Guard, so hoping he is better at center

31 minutes ago, paco said:

A player retiring is treated as, from a cap perspective, the same as a cut.  What is likely to happen is (assuming he and cox are gone), kelce won't officially retire until after June 1st.  Also, if Cox is gone, they will likely cut him right away to allow him to find another team, but then designate the cut as post June 1st.  So from the time of the cut until June 1st designation, they will have to carry the entire $14.3 million dollar hit, and then it drops down to $4.2 million for 2024.

 

2024 dead cap assuming the two post June 1sts stated above looks like this:

Cox	$4,200,000	$1,500,000
Kelce	$10,828,000	$1,500,000
Brandon Graham	$13,216,000
Marcus Mariota	$767,000
Derek Barnett	$4,004,766
Kyron Johnson	$104,964
Joseph Ngata	$20,000
Ben VanSumeren	$20,000
Tristin McCollum	$12,500
Mekhi Garner	$11,666
Ty Zentner	$10,000
Jadon Haselwood	$8,334
Trevor Reid	$6,667
Brady Russel	$5,334
Noah Elliss	$3,334
Josh Sills	$3,334
Total	$33,221,899

 

The "savings" you will see on the right is the minimal base salary assigned so they can carry the player (in this case Kelce) to June 1st with a lower hit.  (I can go through the strategy doing it that way vs a flat out $0 void year as well)

 

2025 dead cap hits for Kelce and Cox would then be:

Cox	$10,100,000
Kelce	$14,038,000

Howie should eat the full cap hit for Cox and Kelce (and anyone else leaving) in the 2024 season.  Treat it as a mini-rebuild or reset year.  Then in 2025 our books will be almost totally clean.

32 minutes ago, paco said:

A player retiring is treated as, from a cap perspective, the same as a cut.  What is likely to happen is (assuming he and cox are gone), kelce won't officially retire until after June 1st.  Also, if Cox is gone, they will likely cut him right away to allow him to find another team, but then designate the cut as post June 1st.  So from the time of the cut until June 1st designation, they will have to carry the entire $14.3 million dollar hit, and then it drops down to $4.2 million for 2024.

 

2024 dead cap assuming the two post June 1sts stated above looks like this:

Cox	$4,200,000	$1,500,000
Kelce	$10,828,000	$1,500,000
Brandon Graham	$13,216,000
Marcus Mariota	$767,000
Derek Barnett	$4,004,766
Kyron Johnson	$104,964
Joseph Ngata	$20,000
Ben VanSumeren	$20,000
Tristin McCollum	$12,500
Mekhi Garner	$11,666
Ty Zentner	$10,000
Jadon Haselwood	$8,334
Trevor Reid	$6,667
Brady Russel	$5,334
Noah Elliss	$3,334
Josh Sills	$3,334
Total	$33,221,899

 

The "savings" you will see on the right is the minimal base salary assigned so they can carry the player (in this case Kelce) to June 1st with a lower hit.  (I can go through the strategy doing it that way vs a flat out $0 void year as well)

 

2025 dead cap hits for Kelce and Cox would then be:

Cox	$10,100,000
Kelce	$14,038,000

Thanks @paco I'm not an ingrate 😅...can you do DAL now?

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

He's not giving up that job unless there's a subsequent move that's been discussed privately.  He likely slots into New England.  

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

Howie should eat the full cap hit for Cox and Kelce (and anyone else leaving) in the 2024 season.  Treat it as a mini-rebuild or reset year.  Then in 2025 our books will be almost totally clean.

I hope Cox stays put. I hate seeing career players that are beloved by their fans leave at the end of a career for just a couple of years. I mean he's got a ring already. Just stay home.

17 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think this is about salvaging some self respect and winning a playoff game.  They're not likely to go into DAL or SF and win in the Divisional Round, but Tampa is not a particularly difficult opponent.  The Eagles won 25-11 in Tampa in Week 3 and I don't see that the Bucs have made any significant improvement since then.

I see the Eagles winning this game.  How competitive they can be the following week is yet to be determined.  

 

This is not even close to the same team as in Week 3.  The Eagles right now are probably the worst team in the league.  So I'd be very surprised if we pull it out in Tampa.

Either way it doesnt matter because we'll get humiliated the following week against SF or DAL.

15 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

This is something I've said a number of times.   Because of the shittiness of the Philly fans,  it's better not to have the home field disadvantage.

Yeah, if only us fans who actually understand pro football and go to the Linc multiple times a year were only as enlightened as you. You figured it all out, guy! They've been purposely playing mediocre for the past two months so they could upset the Buccaneers in a wildcard game on the road. You are the epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect .

I'd take Vrabel over Sirianni as a head coach. Definitely seems like a lock to go to NE though.

25 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think this is about salvaging some self respect and winning a playoff game.  They're not likely to go into DAL or SF and win in the Divisional Round, but Tampa is not a particularly difficult opponent.  The Eagles won 25-11 in Tampa in Week 3 and I don't see that the Bucs have made any significant improvement since then.

I see the Eagles winning this game.  How competitive they can be the following week is yet to be determined.  

 

I’d be more on the eagles if they didn’t just lose to the giants. Then again i think there were multiple factors. I think guys are gassed on defense but also i think guys just checked out on that particular game. I do think with this team they saw Washington vs. Dallas and a lot thought no way dallas is losing to that team that dealt away their two best players and basically tanking since the deadline. Plus then seeing guys not playing due to slim chance they get the 2 and guys mentally just didn’t come into the game they way they should’ve.

Id be surprised if it’s not close or competitive like the Seahawks game. 

53 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Howie should eat the full cap hit for Cox and Kelce (and anyone else leaving) in the 2024 season.  Treat it as a mini-rebuild or reset year.  Then in 2025 our books will be almost totally clean.

I’d be more for this but i know lurie and howie wouldn’t do it. They would concede 2024 for a brighter 2025. If they did choose that i think they are much less attractive job to someone coming in then if they have a SB ready roster for 2024. Essentially coming in with the understanding you are taking a step back in 2024 so it’ll be a tougher first year. But it makes more sense long term to do it 

14 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

Thanks @paco I'm not an ingrate 😅...can you do DAL now?

I thought Debbie already took care of that?

1 hour ago, rrfierce said:

You rooted for dallas. Never let that be forgotten

 

Yeah you're right, rooted for the Eagles tonget the #2 seed.  Clearly you're a bit too dim witted to understand that.  

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

He's not giving up that job unless there's a subsequent move that's been discussed privately.  He likely slots into New England.  

I don't think he has anything lined up but I don't think he wanted to stay.  It's not like the Titans are in the best position in terms of cap space and personnel.  He's also been at odds with the FO.  He could end up in NE but I thought they liked Mayo for that job.  

18 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

Thanks @paco I'm not an ingrate 😅...can you do DAL now?

Give me a bit and I'll take a look.  

44 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Playing possum.

Rope a dope.

Appear weak when you are strong - art of war

Things like that.  Those 3 things aren't identical,  but they're similar.

Intentionally not trying as hard as possible at all times.

Also similar - running a marathon,  playing chess, not checkers. 

I've been saying something similar to that for a long time.   
   
Sleepwalk through the entirety of the regular season,  using only the 5 best skill position players,  who are good enough to get enough wins to make the playoffs.  And then when the playoffs come,  unveil the fresh and new which gets you over the top.   Most teams can't do that,  but the Eagles can.    Let's see if it works.    The Eagles have been letting a lot of talent sit,  now they use it.   Maybe they do this, maybe they don't,   but all season it looked like they were only using part of an offense.   I've been talking all year like this.

The Eagles should beat the Bucs.   They'll have to break out of the slump to do that,  but they're the better team.   The 9ers,  with a QB,  will be a challenge, the Eagles did not look good against the 9ers earlier in the season.   If the Eagles did take action and figure out a way to beat the 9ers,  the toughest team,  a team the Eagles knew they'd be facing,  knew they'd have to beat,  they've got a good shot to beat the 9ers.
 

The NFL just doesn’t work like that, bud.  Wish it did sometimes but that’s not based on reality.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think he has anything lined up but I don't think he wanted to stay.  It's not like the Titans are in the best position in terms of cap space and personnel.  He's also been at odds with the FO.  He could end up in NE but I thought they liked Mayo for that job.  

Vrabel wasn’t happy with the FO and i believe he wanted more say. He really isn’t a fit here cause once again howie isn’t giving up that power. More over vrabel would need a good OC. Cause since Arthur smith left to go to atlanta that offense hasn’t been all that good. Granted lack of weapons and tannehill declined/kept getting hurt 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d be more for this but i know lurie and howie wouldn’t do it. They would concede 2024 for a brighter 2025. If they did choose that i think they are much less of an attractive job to someone coming in.  Essentially coming in with the understanding you are taking a step back in 2024 so it’ll be a tougher first year. 

Not sure about that at all.   Consider... which would be better... a step back in Philly, or a complete rebuild in Carolina, without a first round pick, hitched to Bryce Young, and not much of anything to actually build around?    

You want to go to Atlanta and try starting over there?   or Las Vegas with that dysfunctional ownership?  

 

If the Eagles were to fire Sirianni, even making it clear that they are going to be looking to take a step back in year 1 to fix the cap situation a little... I think this job would still be far more attractive than Carolina, Atlanta or Las Vegas.  Washington and the Chargers might be the top 2 openings.  Washington because they own the #2 overall pick... and the Chargers because Herbert is there and there's still hope... if they can figure out that defensive ineptitude (similarly here... the defense would need a complete overhaul).   I think the Chargers, having more flexibility in the cap right now would be more attractive, but not by a land slide.  

Atlanta and Las Vegas though are just dysfunctional organizations and not destination jobs at all.  Taking a job like that would be one of those 'there are only 32 of these available in the world' rationalizations.  

Feels like Vrabel is a lock to go to New England once they officially move on from Belichick. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Feels like Vrabel is a lock to go to New England once they officially move on from Belichick. 

Fire Nic today, if can get Vrabel 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Vrabel wasn’t happy with the FO and i believe he wanted more say. He really isn’t a fit here cause once again howie isn’t giving up that power. More over vrabel would need a good OC. Cause since Arthur smith left to go to atlanta that offense hasn’t been all that good. Granted lack of weapons and tannehill declined/kept getting hurt 

I would expect Arthur Smith to join Vrabel as his OC whereever Vrabel lands.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Feels like Vrabel is a lock to go to New England once they officially move on from Belichick. 

I m not sold he moves on...I think it would have been announced if it were decided already. i think they are really trying to find a way to make it work.

13 minutes ago, paco said:

Give me a bit and I'll take a look.  

The correct answer is F Dallas.  You're welcome.  

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure about that at all.   Consider... which would be better... a step back in Philly, or a complete rebuild in Carolina, without a first round pick, hitched to Bryce Young, and not much of anything to actually build around?    

You want to go to Atlanta and try starting over there?   or Las Vegas with that dysfunctional ownership?  

 

If the Eagles were to fire Sirianni, even making it clear that they are going to be looking to take a step back in year 1 to fix the cap situation a little... I think this job would still be far more attractive than Carolina, Atlanta or Las Vegas.  Washington and the Chargers might be the top 2 openings.  Washington because they own the #2 overall pick... and the Chargers because Herbert is there and there's still hope... if they can figure out that defensive ineptitude (similarly here... the defense would need a complete overhaul).   I think the Chargers, having more flexibility in the cap right now would be more attractive, but not by a land slide.  

Atlanta and Las Vegas though are just dysfunctional organizations and not destination jobs at all.  Taking a job like that would be one of those 'there are only 32 of these available in the world' rationalizations.  

I am coming into an organization that’s losing guys like kelce and Cox. That hurts. Probably wasting one of lane’s last years of his career. Also chance he retires knowing you are doing that  also knowing I’m not going to be likely competing for a title my first year cause we need to reset. And that doesn’t even mean they make the necessary picks or hit on those free agents to even make the jump in 2025. Also wasting a year in organization that has fired coaches have 1 bad season and if 2025 doesn’t go well chance I’m already gone or on the hot seat due to knowing a poorer 2024 and probably unrealistic expectations in 2025 due to reset and having available cap space 

That makes it less attractive. I didn’t say it was less attractive to other jobs like Carolina. I said it makes it a less attractive job. Just cause it’s not as bad as Carolina or Vegas doesn’t mean it has the same attractiveness knowing they are going to do that in 2024 

also let’s not pretend if sirianni gets fired the eagles haven’t had their share of dysfunction. We just demoted a DC in week 15, sirianni would’ve been fired a year after a SB, we had the wentz ordeal, doug not playing nice with howie and being fired 3 years after winning a SB and we’d be on our 4th coach in 10 years. The eagles haven’t been inept like atlanta, raiders and Carolina but they’ve had dysfunction and if I’m a HC candidate, i look at the fact i might be gone sooner rather than later cause it’s been the track record. So I’m already wasting one year. So if in 2025 we don’t live up to expectations and 2024 we took a step back, i might already be on the chopping block. To me that means it’s still more attractive job then Carolina and Vegas. but doing that plan in 2024 doesn’t help make it more attractive if anything lessens it 

Atlanta’s coach coming in has a lot to work with. They have solid oline and good weapons. Defense needs some additions but they aren’t a disaster. I get a top 10 pick and can trade or take a Qb i like. I’m not locked into an expensive QB and needing to rebuild a defense and taking a step back. Chargers I’m likely getting personnel control (why harbaugh wants it) and herbert. And the chargers don’t lack talent. They never have, they’ve lacked good coaching.

not gonna disagree on the raiders. I wouldn’t touch that or Carolina job. 

3 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I would expect Arthur Smith to join Vrabel as his OC whereever Vrabel lands.

I'd can Nick today to get Vrabel.