6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Nah.  Vrabel's a novice, where Schottenheimer IMO is the greatest head coach never to win a Super Bowl.  His teams were bad in the playoffs, but he won in CLE, SD, and KC where other head coaches couldn't succeed.  

My point exactly - He's not an upgrade over Sirianni.  

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

My point exactly - He's not an upgrade over Sirianni.  

As an outsider, I think he is...more experience as a player and a coach

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah you're right, rooted for the Eagles tonget the #2 seed.  Clearly you're a bit too dim witted to understand that.  

lol, anyone could see that just simply wasn’t going to happen 

They won the division though, so well done cheering them on 

33 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I really don't think there's anything Nick can do to get fired after this season. Even if they are blown out in Tampa, I think Howie and Lurie will be loathe to fire him -- 3 of 3 years in the playoffs, a Super Bowl trip...to outside candidates, you start to look like an unstable organization that has no patience. A top flight candidate (Vrabel, Belichick, Ben Johnson, etc.) isn't going to sign up for a job where Nick's resume gets you canned after 3 years. 

The one caveat would be if Nick died on his sword to bring back Patricia and Johnson, but I don't see that happening. We likely have a new DC, and either a new OC or more likely a new senior advisor on offense. 

Yup how i see it going. It’s why i said asking a coach in year one to reset and rebuild when an organization has shown to have less patience in firing a HC makes it less attractive to a candidate. So essentially conceding year one. So if you don’t have that success in year two on the hot seat (and people will compare you to Doug and nick). Or if you do have that success and see a drop off year 3 might be on the hot seat and possibly fired.   Eagles still have dynamic offensive weapons and talent on that side of the ball and lurie is willing to spend. Why it remains attractive. But there’s things that candidates will definitely look at that makes it appear less attractive. People might not want to believe it, but there’s things that would make the eagles job look less attractive. Still good job but less attractive then it is to us fans  

17 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

- He's not an upgrade over Sirianni.  

 

1 hour ago, Joe Ball said:

Thanks @paco I'm not an ingrate 😅...can you do DAL now?

I did this super quick and I admit I don't know your list of FA's well, so someone may be showing on the books as rostered but have a void clause (I did go through quite a few to verify however), but as it stands now, this is your potential dead cap for 2024

Tyron Smith	$6,005,000
Dorance Armstrong	$1,500,000
Ezekiel Elliott	$6,040,000
Kelvin Joseph	$754,757
Jabril Cox	$192,812
TOTAL	$14,492,569

 

Also note, I only did this on OTC and did cross check spotrac because.... well, you ARE a Cowboys fan and I only had 5 minutes to do this. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup how i see it going. It’s why i said asking a coach in year one to reset and rebuild when an organization has shown to have less patience in firing a HC makes it less attractive to a candidate. So essentially conceding year one. So if you don’t have that success in year two on the hot seat (and people will compare you to Doug and nick). Or if you do have that success and see a drop off year 3 might be on the hot seat and possibly fired.   Eagles still have dynamic offensive weapons and talent on that side of the ball and lurie is willing to spend. Why it remains attractive. But there’s things that candidates will definitely look at that makes it appear less attractive. People might not want to believe it, but there’s things that would make the eagles job look less attractive. Still good job but less attractive then it is to us fans  

The first, and primary, goal is to bring in a very experienced DC. Leslie Frazier and Wink Martindale top the list for me (assuming Eberflus keeps his job). If Mayo is cut loose in New England, he's another guy to add to the list. I think you have to follow the Schwartz/Pederson model and have basically a head coach for the defense. 

On offense, I'd prefer we move on from Johnson as a play caller, but I'm not sure they'll want to dump both coordinators in a single offseason. If they go the "senior adviser" route, Reich is the obvious name if he wants to keep coaching. Gruden is an interesting name, but he seems ticketed to New Orleans. If we were going to get a new OC, Kellen Moore, Eric Bienemy, Tee Martin are all names to consider.

Just now, paco said:

I did this super quick and I admit I don't know your list of FA's well, so someone may be showing on the books as rostered but have a void clause (I did go through quite a few to verify however), but as it stands now, this is your potential dead cap for 2024

Tyron Smith	$6,005,000
Dorance Armstrong	$1,500,000
Ezekiel Elliott	$6,040,000
Kelvin Joseph	$754,757
Jabril Cox	$192,812
TOTAL	$14,492,569

 

Also note, I only did this on OTC and did cross check spotrac because.... well, you ARE a Cowboys fan and I only had 5 minutes to do this. 

You sir are a stud, I don’t care what everybody else here says😆. They have 19 FAs this year…6 of whom I hope they keep. The others? Well, find some affordable, serviceable replacements. Luckily Overshown is ahead of schedule on his ACL recovery.

Just now, vikas83 said:

The first, and primary, goal is to bring in a very experienced DC. Leslie Frazier and Wink Martindale top the list for me (assuming Eberflus keeps his job). If Mayo is cut loose in New England, he's another guy to add to the list. I think you have to follow the Schwartz/Pederson model and have basically a head coach for the defense. 

On offense, I'd prefer we move on from Johnson as a play caller, but I'm not sure they'll want to dump both coordinators in a single offseason. If they go the "senior adviser" route, Reich is the obvious name if he wants to keep coaching. Gruden is an interesting name, but he seems ticketed to New Orleans. If we were going to get a new OC, Kellen Moore, Eric Bienemy, Tee Martin are all names to consider.

Wink would be a good hire imo…knows the division well and that’s 6 games a year also.

Just now, Joe Ball said:

You sir are a stud, I don’t care what everybody else here says😆. They have 19 FAs this year…6 of whom I hope they keep. The others? Well, find some affordable, serviceable replacements. Luckily Overshown is ahead of schedule on his ACL recovery.

Dallas primary offseason decision is Prescott as he isn't staying on the books at an almost $60mm cap hit. The structure of that extension will dictate everything else.

How about Mike MacDonald as HC?

Just now, Joe Ball said:

You sir are a stud, I don’t care what everybody else here says😆. They have 19 FAs this year…6 of whom I hope they keep. The others? Well, find some affordable, serviceable replacements. Luckily Overshown is ahead of schedule on his ACL recovery.

Gotcha.  I'm guessing that of the 19, only Smith and Armstrong are showing up as rostered with a void clause to kick in.  I don't think any other FA's are showing up as rostered, but I could be wrong

Just now, Joe Ball said:

Wink would be a good hire imo…knows the division well and that’s 6 games a year also.

I'd hire him today and fire Patricia, let Wink call plays on Monday.

Just now, paco said:

Gotcha.  I'm guessing that of the 19, only Smith and Armstrong are showing up as rostered with a void clause to kick in.  I don't think any other FA's are showing up as rostered, but I could be wrong

I’ll look later, there is a lot of restructuring to be done. Dak’s cap hit is 59m 🙄

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Dallas primary offseason decision is Prescott as he isn't staying on the books at an almost $60mm cap hit. The structure of that extension will dictate everything else.

Yeah, they did this with Romo a LOT.  It was a yearly offseason activity to restructure him, even when they had to bolt his neck on and Dak was the heir apparent. 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I don't know some coaches might wonder what the measuring stick of success is if the last 2 coaches were let go after having made the playoffs more often than not and both having gone to the Super Bowl.  Also, the reality is that Sirianni isn't the architect of the defensive staff and failures on that side of the ball.  I am sure a lot of candidates would look at Sirianni getting fired as being unfair and the result of Howie trying to shift blame for his poor decisions.  

That's a good point.   The answer is to not be a complete and total embarrassment over a 6+ week span of time.   This team has looked completely rudderless for the better part of 2 months.   That's a pretty bad indictment on the 'leader' of the team.   

 

BTW... I'd be fine with Howie being relegated back to the closet.   He doesn't get to hide from his missteps either.  His roster construction, especially defensively, is criminally incompetent.  

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The first, and primary, goal is to bring in a very experienced DC. Leslie Frazier and Wink Martindale top the list for me (assuming Eberflus keeps his job). If Mayo is cut loose in New England, he's another guy to add to the list. I think you have to follow the Schwartz/Pederson model and have basically a head coach for the defense. 

On offense, I'd prefer we move on from Johnson as a play caller, but I'm not sure they'll want to dump both coordinators in a single offseason. If they go the "senior adviser" route, Reich is the obvious name if he wants to keep coaching. Gruden is an interesting name, but he seems ticketed to New Orleans. If we were going to get a new OC, Kellen Moore, Eric Bienemy, Tee Martin are all names to consider.

I’m not as high on wink. But I’d get it. They basically want sirianni to have an experienced DC like doug did with Schwartz. I think fangio was here in case Gannon did leave then they’d have their new Jim Schwartz in fangio. Gannon left but by that point it was way too late.

i tend to agree. I have said i think reich makes sense if he still wants to coach and gives you a set of eyes from the outside and someone sirianni likes and trusts. 

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I'd hire him today and fire Patricia, let Wink call plays on Monday.

I don't think they would ever hire Wink. His approach is almost the anti-Fangio philosophy that the FO has always avoided that most people complain about it. Also with this personnel, it probably would be a disaster. 

6 minutes ago, paco said:

when they had to bolt his neck on

spit my drink at this...🤣

12 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I’ll look later, there is a lot of restructuring to be done. Dak’s cap hit is 59m 🙄

Here is what you are looking at with Dak

2024 breakdown
Base	$29,000,000
Prorated Bonus	$25,455,000
Roster Bonus	$5,000,000
Total Cap	$59,455,000
2025 Dead Cap hit	$36,460,000

 

First, the 2025 dead cap hit is if nothing happens and he walks in 2025.  It's a roll up of two years of prorated bonuses

2025	$25,455,000
2026	$11,005,000

 

Second, without me fully understanding his contract, I would GUESS that there is not much that can be done about the 2024 bonuses.  They might be able to turn the $5 million roster bonus into a signing bonus and prorate that, but you are likely stuck with the 25.455 million prorated bonus. 

 

I would also assume that if you extend and push out the contract to lower his 2024 cap hit, I would guess the 59 mil can get down to around 30 mil for 2024.  But again, I put no thought\research into this so I may be way off.  Will be interested to see what happens.

 

Also, if you do an extension, 2025 will be whatever the Base is + existing prorated Bonus + new prorated bonus from 2024.  2026 is hard to say because it would depend if it is a 1 year or multi year extension.

7 minutes ago, just relax said:

How about Mike MacDonald as HC?

I'd be in favor of it.   I'd love to have a defense on the field again that actually has the ability to stop opponents.  Funny thing about defenses... they seem to be rather impervious to massive fluctuations in performance, they are, by and large, consistent.  At home, on the road, good weather, bad weather, dome, outside... if you have a great defense, none of that matters.   AND, if you have a great defense, your margin for error on the offensive side of the ball goes WAY up.   Just look at the Browns this year with Schwartz.  That defense carried them to 11 wins.  They had FOUR starting QBs, and it frankly mattered very little.  They soldiered on despite that and just kept winning.  They could have gotten to 12 wins had that last game mattered to them at all.  But, their playoff seeding was locked in, so taking the "bye" week early made a ton of sense for them.   

 

I miss the days where the defense was feared by opponents coming in to play the Eagles.  Now it is a laughingstock, and the defense scares the fans more than the opponent.  

Just now, Joe Ball said:

I’ll look later, there is a lot of restructuring to be done. Dak’s cap hit is 59m 🙄

Away from Prescott, Dallas has some interesting decisions to make. 

Zach Martin -- $28.5mmm cap hit in 2024, which is the last year of his deal. He basically has to get extended or at least restructured. Cutting him would be ~$41mm dead cap (pre-6/1), so no way he is cut (post 6/1 there is 0 cap savings). But how do you extend a guy who is 34 with that many miles on his tires? He's still all-pro caliber and would get big money as a FA -- gotta think they give him a big extension, but Jerry was reluctant this past offseason. Kinda fascinating.

DeMarcus Lawrence -- over $20mm cap hit in the last year of his deal. Save $10mm if post 6/1 release, no savings otherwise. I could see them making him play out this last year, TBH. Not sure I'd give him big money at 32.

Tyron Smith -- have to think they let him walk

CeeDee Lamb -- $18mm cap hit on the 5th year option. Really messed up not doing a long term deal before the season, now he has balled out. Have to do a big money extension.

Micah Parsons -- going to be the highest paid defensive player of all time

Trevon Diggs -- big cap number, but given the injury, you can't restructure

Michael Gallup -- $13mm cap hit, small savings pre June 1. Maybe a post June 1 cut. 

Just now, vikas83 said:

Away from Prescott, Dallas has some interesting decisions to make. 

Zach Martin -- $28.5mmm cap hit in 2024, which is the last year of his deal. He basically has to get extended or at least restructured. Cutting him would be ~$41mm dead cap (pre-6/1), so no way he is cut (post 6/1 there is 0 cap savings). But how do you extend a guy who is 34 with that many miles on his tires? He's still all-pro caliber and would get big money as a FA -- gotta think they give him a big extension, but Jerry was reluctant this past offseason. Kinda fascinating.

DeMarcus Lawrence -- over $20mm cap hit in the last year of his deal. Save $10mm if post 6/1 release, no savings otherwise. I could see them making him play out this last year, TBH. Not sure I'd give him big money at 32.

Tyron Smith -- have to think they let him walk

CeeDee Lamb -- $18mm cap hit on the 5th year option. Really messed up not doing a long term deal before the season, now he has balled out. Have to do a big money extension.

Micah Parsons -- going to be the highest paid defensive player of all time

Trevon Diggs -- big cap number, but given the injury, you can't restructure

Michael Gallup -- $13mm cap hit, small savings pre June 1. Maybe a post June 1 cut. 

I'm not doing all this right now

Just now, paco said:

I'm not doing all this right now

Give me a rundown for the Las Vegas Raiders. Curious about something.

 

Thanks 

1 minute ago, paco said:

I'm not doing all this right now

LOL - all good. I find the value allocation of salary cap dollars to be fascinating. It's all basically value investing.