I know the weather impacted the game significantly, but I think the 2023 Eagles get blown out by the 2022 Chiefs and the 2023 Chiefs get blown out by the 2022 Eagles.  Both teams are worse than last year...and they are still the 2 best teams in the NFL.

I think the 2022 Eagles would win the SB without breaking a sweat all year this year.

49 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

 

   

Yeah, but it was 41 degrees out with maybe a light rain. 

15 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Bradley Roby actually shouted boo at him which scared the ball from his hands.  

Another crafty move from a wiley vet, I like it.

38 minutes ago, judunno said:

Are his eyes closed? lol.

Before he shouted "boo", Roby also gave him this buisness as MVS was cruising past him...

11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Another crafty move from a wiley vet, I like it.

The ref had a better chance of catching that ball

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I know the weather impacted the game significantly, but I think the 2023 Eagles get blown out by the 2022 Chiefs and the 2023 Chiefs get blown out by the 2022 Eagles.  Both teams are worse than last year...and they are still the 2 best teams in the NFL.

I think the 2022 Eagles would win the SB without breaking a sweat all year this year.

I think the 2023 Eagles are actually more talented than '22 bunch. While 2023 Chiefs are not more talented than 2022 Chiefs. Eagles have more injuries this year and have adjustments to new key coaching positions. This team should peak by Playoffs once Goedert is back and if all key guys stay healthy. 

This year I like our punter better, linebackers better, top running back better. Our right guard better. Feel like safeties could be even with last year once Byard comes along. Unfortunately, the CBs are worse due to age and Maddox injury. Like Carter better than Hargraves. Jordan Davis is better as well. This is a better roster than last year on paper and needs to just put it together and time to get familiar with more snaps playing together as a unit on the field.

Ultimately, also need a healthier Jalen Hurts, which is why a 1st round bye is so key this year, besides HFA.

 

5 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I think the 2023 Eagles are actually more talented than '22 bunch. While 2023 Chiefs are not more talented than 2022 Chiefs. Eagles have more injuries this year and have adjustments to new key coaching positions. This team should Peak by Playoffs once Goedert is back and if all key guys stay healthy. 

This year I like our punter better, linebackers better, top running back better. Our right guard better. Feel like safeties could be even with last year once Byard comes along. Unfortunately, the CBs are worse due to age and Maddox injury. Like Carter better than Hargraves. Jordan Davis is better as well. This is a better roster than last year on paper and needs to just put it together and time to get familiar and more snaps playing together as a unit on the field.

Ultimately, also need a healthier Jalen Hurts, which is why a 1st round bye is so key this year, besides HFA.

 

KCs defense is way better than last year. Offensively the WRs are slightly worse.

16 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Bills defense is really bad. This is a get right game for the offense. Sub 28 points is a bad performance. 

They're like top 10 in terms of yards an points against.  What do you mean by they're bad? 

2 minutes ago, judunno said:

KCs defense is way better than last year. Offensively the WRs are slightly worse.

yup

9 minutes ago, judunno said:

KCs defense is way better than last year. Offensively the WRs are slightly worse.

Their defense is significantly better. But their 2 offensive tackles are mid. Too many penalties and have Mahomes scrambling around more, which effectively makes Mahomes worse this year. T. Kelce is a year older and looks a tad slower as well. They actually miss JuJu who is not that good. Lol The Chiefs also miss Bieniemy, kinda like how we miss Steichen.

8 hours ago, mattwill said:

My wife’s name is Landon.  I’ve even thinking about getting one of their wines for her for Christmas.  How are their whites.

Got her a Kelly Green for her birthday.

 

My recollection is there weren’t a lot of whites.  Does your wife like buttery Chardonnay?  My wife doesn’t and she is more the white wine drinker in the family.  (I like dry whites but am more of a red drinker.  My go to white is Sauvignon Blanc, preferably Sonoma or Russian Valley or a similar environment.  Like those much more than NZ ones). My recollection is their reserve Chardonnay is French Oaked.  French, because of the tighter grains isn’t as oak forward.  I liked it and I don’t care for overly buttery, their regular Chardonnay is more buttery. The Sauvignon Blanc was good, but not as good as Llano’s Texas Sauvignon Blanc for local wines.  About on par with Messina Hof’s. Wife is a Pinot Grigio fan and liked that.  She liked the Roses, the Tempranillo best but also the Syrah. (Can’t figure out how to accent an e on the EMB keyboard.) IIRC she liked the Viognier.  Can’t recall how she felt about the sparkling Cuvee.  I only tasted the Sauvignon Blanc, reserve Chardonnay and roses of the whites. Can’t comment on the sweets because we really don’t drink those.  IIRC, the sweet Riesling, which like Gewurztraminer, I like a good semi dry, was too sweet for our tastes.  (They were out of the dry Riesling the last time we were there in the spring and we don’t recall it).  Hope that helps.

Now their reds, I pretty much liked all of them which is what I concentrated on and why I go back.  More choices at the winery than online.  Good Meritage, liked the Texan, which is a Sangiovese/Cab mix, great with Italian food, a good Texas Tempranillo (they probably grow the best of those in the nation on the high plains), my go to wine for TexMex when not drinking a margarita, the Pinot Noir was good but not Willamette Valley level good, the Merlot was a Merlot (I prefer my Merlot in a Cab forward Meritage so I am not a good person for looking to the quality of one), but their bourbon barrel Cab is their best.  Good Cab taste chased by bourbon flavor.  So many store bought "bourbon barrel” really don’t have the bourbon flavor follow. 

Llano (tasting room in Lubbock but there is a wine bar with tastings in Gruene that features some of their wines and Spec’s and **** carry some of their wines) has a real good bourbon barrel Tempranillo and also a good bourbon barrel Cab).  For bourbon drinkers, one of my favorite craft distillers is Garrison Brothers in Hye in the Hill Country.   (Wife likes the young, but their double barrel is so smooth).  Actually saw their single barrel in the State Store earlier this year.  At my age, I drink wine more and a lot less hard liquor.  
 

 

13 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Man, he really is the Travis Kelce of coaches. If he wasn't the Eagles coach, he'd be very high up on punchable faces. With that being said, glad he's on our side!

 

I like him being emotional like this

56 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I know the weather impacted the game significantly, but I think the 2023 Eagles get blown out by the 2022 Chiefs and the 2023 Chiefs get blown out by the 2022 Eagles.  Both teams are worse than last year...and they are still the 2 best teams in the NFL.

I think the 2022 Eagles would win the SB without breaking a sweat all year this year.

Are you assuming that Gannon isn't the DC? 

- For some reason the links I post won't show.  Kapadia says Mahomes' performance against the Eagles in terms of EPA was 102nd and that's out of 108 games including playoffs.  They indicated on the podcast his performance against Eagles in the Super Bowl was like his 8th best in terms of EPA per drive.  I agree with you sentiment from a talent perspective especially in the secondary. I don't agree that Gannon was better than Desai. 

Edit - Thanks @pisceschica and @Mike030270

10 hours ago, mattwill said:

Mesquite seemed a bit less than 30 minutes.  My guess was Terrell.

Haven’t driven that cluster F east I30 in a while? Downtown Dallas to Mesquite is thirty minutes with good traffic.  Rockwall was out in the country when you lived there.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Are you assuming that Gannon isn't the DC? 

https://x.com/SheilKapadia/status/1726818891920556047?s=20 - For some reason the links I post won't show.  Kapadia says Mahomes' performance against the Eagles in terms of EPA was 102nd and that's out of 108 games including playoffs.  They indicated on the podcast his performance against Eagles in the Super Bowl was like his 8th best in terms of EPA per drive.  I agree with you sentiment from a talent perspective especially in the secondary. I don't agree that Gannon was better than Desai.  

Well...for us...our OL isn't playing as well as last year, our passing and rushing offense are not as dominant, we aren't pressuring the QB at the same rate, and the pass defense has vastly regressed.  Honestly, the Eagles are at least somewhat worse pretty much across the board (aside from ST, where we have improved in both coverage and returns).

And despite all that, the Eagles are the best team in the NFL having almost universally regressed.

The Chiefs defense has substantially improved, but their pass attack has drastically regressed.  They still have Mahomes, so everyone is just assuming (maybe for good reason) that it will get back on track when it matters.  But that entire team was build around Mahomes behind the superman driver behind an unstoppable pass attack while the rest of the team just got by with mediocrity.  And now...their pass attack is far from unstoppable.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Are you assuming that Gannon isn't the DC? 

https://x.com/SheilKapadia/status/1726818891920556047?s=20 - For some reason the links I post won't show.  Kapadia says Mahomes' performance against the Eagles in terms of EPA was 102nd and that's out of 108 games including playoffs.  They indicated on the podcast his performance against Eagles in the Super Bowl was like his 8th best in terms of EPA per drive.  I agree with you sentiment from a talent perspective especially in the secondary. I don't agree that Gannon was better than Desai.  

Copy from address bar. The ?s=20 messes up the embedding

 

SO is it just lucky for us that KC's WR's aren't very good this year? I mean they have the most drops all season long- is that luck? or is that a lack of skill? 

 

If they had avg or lower than avg drops all year long, and then had the game they had on Monday night- you could make a more convincing argument that the Eagles were "lucky"

When it's been a problem all season long, and they perform as usual? Is that still luck? 

 

I dont think it is... I think it's a product of KC not prioritizing the WR position---

 

(which reminded me of the AR of old here at Philly) 

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Are you assuming that Gannon isn't the DC? 

https://x.com/SheilKapadia/status/1726818891920556047?s=20 - For some reason the links I post won't show.  Kapadia says Mahomes' performance against the Eagles in terms of EPA was 102nd and that's out of 108 games including playoffs.  They indicated on the podcast his performance against Eagles in the Super Bowl was like his 8th best in terms of EPA per drive.  I agree with you sentiment from a talent perspective especially in the secondary. I don't agree that Gannon was better than Desai.  

Remove the question mark and everything to the right of it ?s=20. And then change it from "x.com" to "twitter.com"

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well...for us...our OL isn't playing as well as last year, our passing and rushing offense are not as dominant, we aren't pressuring the QB at the same rate, and the pass defense has vastly regressed.  Honestly, the Eagles are at least somewhat worse pretty much across the board (aside from ST, where we have improved in both coverage and returns).

And despite all that, the Eagles are the best team in the NFL having almost universally regressed.

The Chiefs defense has substantially improved, but their pass attack has drastically regressed.  They still have Mahomes, so everyone is just assuming (maybe for good reason) that it will get back on track when it matters.  But that entire team was build around Mahomes behind the superman driver behind an unstoppable pass attack while the rest of the team just got by with mediocrity.  And now...their pass attack is far from unstoppable.

I don't think their offense has regressed that significantly.  I also think our offensive woes aren't as significant.  This team still is a top 5 scoring offense.  Their red zond scoring percentage has significantly improved.  They to break off big plays against very good defenses.  The team is playing a much tougher schedule this season.  I am not sure that this team looks so different if they were playing against the same teams they did last season from an offensive perspective.  

10 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

SO is it just lucky for us that KC's WR's aren't very good this year? I mean they have the most drops all season long- is that luck? or is that a lack of skill? 

 

If they had avg or lower than avg drops all year long, and then had the game they had on Monday night- you could make a more convincing argument that the Eagles were "lucky"

When it's been a problem all season long, and they perform as usual? Is that still luck? 

 

I dont think it is... I think it's a product of KC not prioritizing the WR position---

 

(which reminded me of the AR of old here at Philly) 

This KC offense is reminiscent of the Andy Reid Eagles offense without any WRs. Ha. He is a little more conservative and relying on the defense. Spags is like Jimmy Johnson. Very similar template. And a very solid special teams. They reeeeeally really miss Tyreek. I always disagreed with that trade. May cost them a dynasty.

 

I watch the Chiefs closely and he's starting to get more indecisive and wasting timeouts. Thought he had that problem solved.

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

SO is it just lucky for us that KC's WR's aren't very good this year? I mean they have the most drops all season long- is that luck? or is that a lack of skill? 

 

If they had avg or lower than avg drops all year long, and then had the game they had on Monday night- you could make a more convincing argument that the Eagles were "lucky"

When it's been a problem all season long, and they perform as usual? Is that still luck? 

 

I dont think it is... I think it's a product of KC not prioritizing the WR position---

 

(which reminded me of the AR of old here at Philly) 

It's not luck.  Their WRs suck.  In defense of AR, I don't know that (this time around) he had much choice at WR.  Mahomes needed his mega deal and their defense sucked...so resources got diverted in that direction and they had to bank on Mahomes' superman act getting the job done.  And it got them a SB last year and will get them damn close to another this year.

No offense to Hurts, but the difference in the QB's was pretty apparent Monday night.  Hurts is underthrowing and missing some elite weapons and still marching along the field while Mahomes is putting the ball right on guys as their drives are stalling.  It's not a 1 man team

 

20 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It's not luck.  Their WRs suck.  In defense of AR, I don't know that (this time around) he had much choice at WR.  Mahomes needed his mega deal and their defense sucked...so resources got diverted in that direction and they had to bank on Mahomes' superman act getting the job done.  And it got them a SB last year and will get them damn close to another this year.

No offense to Hurts, but the difference in the QB's was pretty apparent Monday night.  Hurts is underthrowing and missing some elite weapons and still marching along the field while Mahomes is putting the ball right on guys as their drives are stalling.  It's not a 1 man team

 

 I think peeps give Mahomes a larger benefit of the doubt because of his past heroics. But wouldn't say Mahomes has been that accurate. Yes that throw to Watson was perfect. Hurts has made a few of those as well. That throw to AJ was right on target, til Brown slowed up. Mahomes had a bunch of errant throws as well in the game. Thrown a bunch of easy INTs this year. Put too much air on the Byard throw. He is not playing elite for many reasons, thus their offense has suffered.

8 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

This KC offense is reminiscent of the Andy Reid Eagles offense without any WRs. Ha. He is a little more conservative and relying on the defense. Spags is like Jimmy Johnson. Very similar template. And a very solid special teams. They reeeeeally really miss Tyreek. I always disagreed with that trade. May cost them a dynasty.

Watching the game and Reid in his after game presser, It reminded me of the Old AR that was here. 

 

In that game, the first half, Price is rightPlinKo had over 100 Yards in the first half, then they pretty much abandoned the run in the scecond half, even when leading, IN THE RAIN. Now the Eagles D had something to do with that, to be fair, but they didn't attempt nearly as many runs in the second half. 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I know the weather impacted the game significantly, but I think the 2023 Eagles get blown out by the 2022 Chiefs and the 2023 Chiefs get blown out by the 2022 Eagles.  Both teams are worse than last year...and they are still the 2 best teams in the NFL.

I think the 2022 Eagles would win the SB without breaking a sweat all year this year.

2022 had a much easier schedule 

Ok this should’ve been posted the day Williams got released last week but too good not to share