12 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

This isn't UK football where they just kick a round ball in aggressively short shorts.  This is football.  This is a physical game.  Pushing should remain.

This rule was changed once already back in 05 or 06. The rule basically changed from aiding the ball carrier by either pushing or pulling, to just pulling. The reason for the change was that pushing was much harder to consistently call, like a few other NFL rules that a lot of us scream at the tv about weekly, PI being the most prominent.
 

"What the league found was so difficult was you never were sure who was pushing who,” said Mike Pereira, the former NFL director of officials who became the rules analyst for Fox. "So you’re not necessarily pushing the runner. You could be pushing someone else that’s in contact with the runner. So it became really too difficult to officiate. Therefore, we just said, ‘OK, it’s legal to push.’ ”

So, pushing to block vs pushing to advance the ball carrier are two different things altogether. I’m not advocating for a change to the rule, just giving some background on the rule. The game is the game and you find ways to have the rules work to your advantage. Kind of like golf, if you know the rules you can actually lower your score by applying them correctly.

 

30 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

TNF Prime is the best PQ of any broadcast of any sports event. Super sharp 4k HDR, but just a tad too dark, otherwise it's perfect. It blows every oher broadcast out of the water. 

That part doesn't really matter as much when the games are mostly garbage.

17 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

They'd need to ban all pushing, because plenty of games feature pushing from the O to get extra yards

They can't.  "Pushing the pile" has been a part of football for as long as it has been around.

Friday morning Predictions Update

34 predictions recorded thus far.  19 for an Eagles win and 13 for a Chiefs win and two ties.  Average predicted score is also a tie Eagles 29 Chiefs 29

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17 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He cherry picks like one of us 

27 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

This rule was changed once already back in 05 or 06. The rule basically changed from aiding the ball carrier by either pushing or pulling, to just pulling. The reason for the change was that pushing was much harder to consistently call, like a few other NFL rules that a lot of us scream at the tv about weekly, PI being the most prominent.
 

"What the league found was so difficult was you never were sure who was pushing who,” said Mike Pereira, the former NFL director of officials who became the rules analyst for Fox. "So you’re not necessarily pushing the runner. You could be pushing someone else that’s in contact with the runner. So it became really too difficult to officiate. Therefore, we just said, ‘OK, it’s legal to push.’ ”

So, pushing to block vs pushing to advance the ball carrier are two different things altogether. I’m not advocating for a change to the rule, just giving some background on the rule. The game is the game and you find ways to have the rules work to your advantage. Kind of like golf, if you know the rules you can actually lower your score by applying them correctly.

 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not that playing on 3 days rest leads to more injuries though... 

well, the Andrews injury was because of one of those hip drop tackles they are looking to ban 

I've never had any attachment to the tush push at all, because I've always believed the play should be stopped as soon as there is any aid to the runner's forward progress.  A runner is supposed to get the maximum yardage from his own momentum and, when his forward progress is stopped, the play should be whistled down.  The tush push on its own is not dangerous; no one is going to get injured because Gainwell or Brown or Goedert is pushing Hurts.  To me, it's where the OL gets involved in moving a pile forward that can lead to injuries.  Take that out of the game first, then worry about any aid from players in the backfield on a QB sneak.

I would be against banning the tush push while leaving those other plays as legal.  What Pereira says about trying to figure out who's pushing who is totally irrelevant; any aid given to the ball carrier should be whistled down and the play stopped at that point of forward progress gained by the runner.  Without the tush push, the Eagles would still be the best short yardage team in the NFL because of Hurts, Kelce, and Dickerson.  

39 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

well, the Andrews injury was because of one of those hip drop tackles they are looking to ban 

Sure.  But, all of the players' bodies are still recuperating from their last game.  Is it possible that an injury could be happening, even on a 'questionable' hit, because their body isn't prepared properly to be able to absorb it?  

 

Player safety is about 14th on the list of actual NFL priorities... but its first on their list of talking points.  

1 - $$$
2 - Taking the NFL to Europe to get more $$$.
3 - Adding fun little gimmicks to games on Nickelodeon to try to get more $$$.
4 - Finding new and exciting ways to over-officiate the game and cause more pauses, allowing for more commercial breaks to make more $$$.
5 - Gimmick up alternate uniforms and 'color rush' to get people gullible enough to buy these merchandise articles to get more $$$.
6 - Expand into Mexico for more $$$.
7 - Put more and more content behind a pay wall like NFL+ to make more $$$.
8 - Discuss banning a specific play amongst the competition committee because one team is too successful with it.  (Where's the money here?  Oh, that's why it hasn't actually been banned.)
9 - Play doubleheaders on MNF to generate more eyeballs and give that network more games to sell the MNF product for more $$$.
10 - Expand the playoffs to generate more $$$.
11 - Partner with Gambling companies to make more $$$, while suspending players who participate with a league sponsor.
12 - Promote Olympic flag football to grow an international fan base and... make more $$$.
13 - Cross their Ts and dot their Is to cover their tracks against potential lawsuits regarding player safety.
14 - Actually make the game safer for players.

22 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I've never had any attachment to the tush push at all, because I've always believed the play should be stopped as soon as there is any aid to the runner's forward progress.  A runner is supposed to get the maximum yardage from his own momentum and, when his forward progress is stopped, the play should be whistled down.  The tush push on its own is not dangerous; no one is going to get injured because Gainwell or Brown or Goedert is pushing Hurts.  To me, it's where the OL gets involved in moving a pile forward that can lead to injuries.  Take that out of the game first, then worry about any aid from players in the backfield on a QB sneak.

I would be against banning the tush push while leaving those other plays as legal.  What Pereira says about trying to figure out who's pushing who is totally irrelevant; any aid given to the ball carrier should be whistled down and the play stopped at that point of forward progress gained by the runner.  Without the tush push, the Eagles would still be the best short yardage team in the NFL because of Hurts, Kelce, and Dickerson.  

With all due respect, this hogwash. The OL pushes, Hurts drives behind them, and the pushers in the backfield are pushing OL as much as they are Hurts. The play works mostly because Kelce and Dickerson outpush the DL. Trying to differentiate between guys who push the QB only and guys who push whatever’s in front of them is impossible. What makes this play work is individual talent working in concert. Other teams lack this talent or don’t take the trouble to refine it. You want to ban Kelce because he’s so good at this? That’s a very slippery slope.

30 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I've never had any attachment to the tush push at all, because I've always believed the play should be stopped as soon as there is any aid to the runner's forward progress.  A runner is supposed to get the maximum yardage from his own momentum and, when his forward progress is stopped, the play should be whistled down.  The tush push on its own is not dangerous; no one is going to get injured because Gainwell or Brown or Goedert is pushing Hurts.  To me, it's where the OL gets involved in moving a pile forward that can lead to injuries.  Take that out of the game first, then worry about any aid from players in the backfield on a QB sneak.

I would be against banning the tush push while leaving those other plays as legal.  What Pereira says about trying to figure out who's pushing who is totally irrelevant; any aid given to the ball carrier should be whistled down and the play stopped at that point of forward progress gained by the runner.  Without the tush push, the Eagles would still be the best short yardage team in the NFL because of Hurts, Kelce, and Dickerson.  

Can you site any instances where that has actually occurred?   I can't recall even one instance of that happening, at any level.

1 minute ago, just relax said:

With all due respect, this hogwash. The OL pushes, Hurts drives behind them, and the pushers in the backfield are pushing OL as much as they are Hurts. The play works mostly because Kelce and Dickerson outpush the DL. Trying to differentiate between guys who push the QB only and guys who push whatever’s in front of them is impossible. What makes this play work is individual talent working in concert. Other teams lack this talent or don’t take the trouble to refine it. You want to ban Kelce because he’s so good at this? That’s a very slippery slope.

You're reiterating what I said, so no respect needed   🙂

3 minutes ago, just relax said:

With all due respect, this hogwash. The OL pushes, Hurts drives behind them, and the pushers in the backfield are pushing OL as much as they are Hurts. The play works mostly because Kelce and Dickerson outpush the DL. Trying to differentiate between guys who push the QB only and guys who push whatever’s in front of them is impossible. What makes this play work is individual talent working in concert. Other teams lack this talent or don’t take the trouble to refine it. You want to ban Kelce because he’s so good at this? That’s a very slippery slope.

I originally thought it made sense to ban the play. My opinion on it has changed though after seeing other teams fail at it. The Eagles are just better at it than other teams and you can’t ban it because of that. They clearly have a personnel advantage. 

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.  But, all of the players' bodies are still recuperating from their last game.  Is it possible that an injury could be happening, even on a 'questionable' hit, because their body isn't prepared properly to be able to absorb it?  

 

Player safety is about 14th on the list of actual NFL priorities... but its first on their list of talking points.  

1 - $$$
2 - Taking the NFL to Europe to get more $$$.
3 - Adding fun little gimmicks to games on Nickelodeon to try to get more $$$.
4 - Finding new and exciting ways to over-officiate the game and cause more pauses, allowing for more commercial breaks to make more $$$.
5 - Gimmick up alternate uniforms and 'color rush' to get people gullible enough to buy these merchandise articles to get more $$$.
6 - Expand into Mexico for more $$$.
7 - Put more and more content behind a pay wall like NFL+ to make more $$$.
8 - Discuss banning a specific play amongst the competition committee because one team is too successful with it.  (Where's the money here?  Oh, that's why it hasn't actually been banned.)
9 - Play doubleheaders on MNF to generate more eyeballs and give that network more games to sell the MNF product for more $$$.
10 - Expand the playoffs to generate more $$$.
11 - Partner with Gambling companies to make more $$$, while suspending players who participate with a league sponsor.
12 - Promote Olympic flag football to grow an international fan base and... make more $$$.
13 - Cross their Ts and dot their Is to cover their tracks against potential lawsuits regarding player safety.
14 - Actually make the game safer for players.

I'd normally agree with you, just not in this particular instance. When someone tackles/lands on your ankle like this, the only thing that's saving your season is pure luck. Time between games or rest doesn't really factor in at all.

 

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I originally thought it made sense to ban the play. My opinion on it has changed though after seeing other teams fail at it. The Eagles are just better at it than other teams and you can’t ban it because of that. They clearly have a personnel advantage. 

This. You can't ban the play because a team is successful at it. At the end of the day the offense's job is to gain yards, the defense's job is to prevent yards by the offense (within the rules of the game). It's legal to push since the rule was changed in '06 like I said earlier. You either find a way to defend it or suffer the consequence, don't placate those opposed to it because they can't defend the legal play.

 

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7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd normally agree with you, just not in this particular instance. When someone tackles/lands on your ankle like this, the only thing that's saving your season is pure luck. Time between games or rest doesn't really factor in at all.

 

Yes, that's ONE play.  I am talking about all of the injuries and TNF.  Injuries happen in games after a bye, or on MNF where they have an extra day.   But, the frequency or the aggravation of minor ones that then linger longer than perhaps they would without the extra stress of a game in 4 days...   there's not a single piece of evidence that could say that playing on the 4th day doesn't contribute to more injuries.  At best, the argument could be made that there isn't sufficient evidence to support the assertion that playing TNF leads to more injuries.  And failing a massive report on the subject by some independent investigative team, the NFL (and to a certain extent, even the NFLPA) doesn't care, because TNF generates a lot of money for the league.  And that's ultimately all they really care about (and that's the NFL and the NFLPA).  

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Heard joe has been working out a lot for the comeback 

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Someone on here said it would be Flaco, I recall.

Rain on Monday… don’t like that, already had enough of trying to get Mahomes on a wet field.

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