4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

See, I don’t mind delayed handoffs in certain situations. Because at certain times you might get somebody by the element of surprise and hit it for a big gain. That 4th down play you're talking about you’re 100% right. That was not the time to do it. A slow developing run play when everybody on Dallas is thinking and selling out to stop the run. It was never going to work or you’d have needed an extraordinary play by your back to make it work.

i do think at the end of the game on like 3rd down and 2 the element of surprise is there and it may work. It is highly risky but I’ve seen teams do it and have success especially when pass rushers aren’t respecting/expecting run and way too far upfield. Dallas called two straight zero blitzes and were under the belief no chance you run given timeout situation, what they were calling defensively and how their pass rush was just pinning ears back and getting up field. The fourth and inches, the previous series which they were stopped isn’t remotely the time for a delayed handoff.

if i were seattle, I’d also think about employing a shovel pass into their short yardage offense. Like KC has done with kelce where he comes in motion and hit with a shovel pass. It’s almost impossible to stop due to his athleticism and size. I think with guys like DK and aj brown you’d have really good success.  

Delayed handoffs work far better in more obvious passing downs, you invite the pass rush up the field, they focus on the QB... and then they create creases for the RB.  But, in extremely short yardage situations?   Nah, just stupid.  

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If they traded Castellanos as part of the deal, they'd absolutely have the need.  

 

The Padres would definitely want some young OF talent in the deal as well...
Would you trade any of the following as part of the deal?    Rojas, Crawford, Marsh 

Maybe include Carlos de la Cruz as part of the deal, assuming he's not snapped up in the Rule 5 draft, OR just get the deal done sooner than that and its not a concern.

Not sure de La Cruz has as much value as if the padres really wanted him could just rule 5 draft him. Granted may not get him but i think he lost value as soon as the Phillies made him eligible for rule 5 draft.

I’m guessing the package automatically includes Abel. I also think padres would want an mlb ready player who’s young, cheap and controllable. So it’s likely Rojas is gonna be included in this deal. Sadly i think you are likely also gonna lose Crawford or aiden Miller in this type of deal. Tbh i rather keep Crawford than Miller. I love both but even if Miller works his way up to the Phillies, he’s basically blocked by Bohm at 3rd. So you would have move bohm to first, harper to DH and have him play third. I am not sure i love the idea of bohm at first base full time. I think Crawford has a chance to be a superstar type player. Not that Miller can’t i just think Crawford is a better prospect. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Delayed handoffs work far better in more obvious passing downs, you invite the pass rush up the field, they focus on the QB... and then they create creases for the RB.  But, in extremely short yardage situations?   Nah, just stupid.  

Yup. I get no timeouts left and around 1:15 left but if seattle ran it 3rd and 2 with how Dallas defense was playing the situation it might have popped. I don’t think dallas would’ve remotely expected it in that situation given time and timeouts. It’s super risky cause if you screw up or doesn’t work it’s super damaging but there’s also the flip side where it might have popped for a big play with how dallas was sending their pass rushers. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not sure de La Cruz has as much value as if the padres really wanted him could just rule 5 draft him. Granted may not get him but i think he lost value as soon as the Phillies made him eligible for rule 5 draft.

I’m guessing the package automatically includes Abel. I also think padres would want an mlb ready player who’s young, cheap and controllable. So it’s likely Rojas is gonna be included in this deal. Sadly i think you are likely also gonna lose Crawford or aiden Miller in this type of deal. Tbh i rather keep Crawford than Miller. I love both but even if Miller works his way up to the Phillies, he’s basically blocked by Bohm at 3rd. So you would have move bohm to first, harper to DH and have him play third. I am not sure i love the idea of bohm at first base full time. I think Crawford has a chance to be a superstar type player. Not that Miller can’t i just think Crawford is a better prospect. 

So, you are suggesting it costs: Rojas, Miller, Abel... and I assume you'd need to throw Castellanos in there as well to create the space for Soto... or would absolutely HAVE to move him somewhere else.     There aren't many guys I'd give up that much for... but Soto is only 25 years old.  So, you aren't mortgaging the future at all to bring him in.  He is the future.   BUT, the downside is, he can get laxidasical at times.   He'd need this locker room to hold him accountable.   BTW, I agree on Crawford... at only 20, there's no way I am moving him.   But, if de la Cruz is a hot commodity around MLB, the Padres could be happy to ensure getting him versus having to hope to get him in the Rule 5... AND it would enable them to claim a different player in Rule 5... so they would potentially get both.

 

 

More interestingly to me, if you move Rojas as part of the deal, you also create the space in the OF to consider putting Harper back to RF (or even LF, to save his arm, which few people have discussed) and bring back Rhys to play 1B.   That would be one helluva lineup.

C - Realmuto
1B - Hoskins
2B - Stott
SS - Turner
3B - Bohm
LF - Harper/Soto
CF - Marsh
RF - Soto/Harper
DH - Schwarber

That would rival any lineup in MLB for production.  

20 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not sure de La Cruz has as much value as if the padres really wanted him could just rule 5 draft him. Granted may not get him but i think he lost value as soon as the Phillies made him eligible for rule 5 draft.

I’m guessing the package automatically includes Abel. I also think padres would want an mlb ready player who’s young, cheap and controllable. So it’s likely Rojas is gonna be included in this deal. Sadly i think you are likely also gonna lose Crawford or aiden Miller in this type of deal. Tbh i rather keep Crawford than Miller. I love both but even if Miller works his way up to the Phillies, he’s basically blocked by Bohm at 3rd. So you would have move bohm to first, harper to DH and have him play third. I am not sure i love the idea of bohm at first base full time. I think Crawford has a chance to be a superstar type player. Not that Miller can’t i just think Crawford is a better prospect. 

Plus Bryce has the chance to be a gold glove 1st basemen over the next few years.  Keep him there.

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So, you are suggesting it costs: Rojas, Miller, Abel... and I assume you'd need to throw Castellanos in there as well to create the space for Soto... or would absolutely HAVE to move him somewhere else.     There aren't many guys I'd give up that much for... but Soto is only 25 years old.  So, you aren't mortgaging the future at all to bring him in.  He is the future.   BUT, the downside is, he can get laxidasical at times.   He'd need this locker room to hold him accountable.   BTW, I agree on Crawford... at only 20, there's no way I am moving him.   But, if de la Cruz is a hot commodity around MLB, the Padres could be happy to ensure getting him versus having to hope to get him in the Rule 5... AND it would enable them to claim a different player in Rule 5... so they would potentially get both.

 

 

More interestingly to me, if you move Rojas as part of the deal, you also create the space in the OF to consider putting Harper back to RF (or even LF, to save his arm, which few people have discussed) and bring back Rhys to play 1B.   That would be one helluva lineup.

C - Realmuto
1B - Hoskins
2B - Stott
SS - Turner
3B - Bohm
LF - Harper/Soto
CF - Marsh
RF - Soto/Harper
DH - Schwarber

That would rival any lineup in MLB for production.  

Don’t think the padres with their financial situation and owner passing away want to take on castellanos contract so you’d have to divert him elsewhere in another trade or expand it into a 3-way type deal.

The only issue you have moving Castellanos is it creates a hole in the outfield. if Rojas is included in the trade then you don’t have anybody to fill it. Unless like what you put move Harper back to the outfield and sign Rhys Hoskins to play first this year. Which is something I said they should do this year anyways simply because rhys is a type of guy you don’t have enough of in that lineup.  he is going to take pitches, grind at bats and give you quality at bats. They have too many free swingers like schwarber, castellanos and even Turner this past year.

The problem is I don’t think they want to move Harper back to the outfield. So you’re gonna have to go into free agency and sign another outfielder because if they trade Rojas they don’t really have anyone in house. If they go FA to sign a guy i think a 2 year option (until Crawford is ready) is likely whit merrifield. I also wouldn’t be surprised if a minor trade with Alex verdugo who has 1 year left of Arbitration and the Red Sox are willing to unload him. Don’t know what the price would be. 

that said only way you can make this deal is if soto is willing to sign long term at time of the deal. Cause risking him going to FA at the end of the year and giving all that up is too much of a risk 

3 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

@mattwill

Whiners 33

Eagles 31

niners win on a last second fg. Probably from 50+

They have one of the worst kickers in the league, so your "probably" probably should be changed to "possibly."  But I'm not going to sweat the details.  If that scenario does play out, F the yards.

If you are going to beat Dallas it’s not likely due to stopping their offense. Dallas offense is really good. Their oline is playing like a top 5 unit. Ferguson developing and stepping up and replacing schultz has been massive to give Dak another weapon in the passing game. Still don’t think their running game is great. It’s solid enough with how the passing game is going right now 

their offense is gonna put up points if Dak isn’t going to turn the ball over. Their bigger issue is that the 3 best teams they’ve face this year in Sf, eagles and Seahawks have scored 42, 28 and 35 points against their defense. So giving up an average of 35 ppg. They stopped herbert and the chargers but really i think that the chargers anre wildly inconsistent week to week and they know kellen moore very well which helps. Their defense reminds me a lot of Jonathan gannon’s defense last year. Where they’d feast on a lot of mediocre/bad QBs or dysfunctional offenses but against better offenses they really had issues. Can win a lot of games that way but eventually in the playoffs you face a good Qb and just trying to just simply outscore them in a shootout might not be enough.  

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A win against the 49ers is more valuable than a win against the Cowboys... based on tie breakers.    So, the answer is easily 49ers.

A win against SF and we could actually rest our starters against Dallas.

A loss against SF and suddenly that Dallas game is huge for HFA.

@mattwill

27-20 Birds

The Eagles defense is being completely disrespected given what they have accomplished against Shanahan-type offenses (MIA 17 allowed, LAR 14 allowed).  On the other side of the ball the 9ers secondary can be had deep and in tight games worked in the run game.

SF less than 100 yards rushing

PHI greater than 150 yards rushing

All Eagles need to do is come out strong smd take an early lead.  49ers can't play from behind.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

A win against SF and we could actually rest our starters against Dallas.

A loss against SF and suddenly that Dallas game is huge for HFA.

Nobody is resting their starters in a Week 14 game.

 

1 hour ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

General question and playoff implications aside:

 

would you rather beat the 49ers this weekend and shut up their fans and most of the country that we are only 10-1 due to luck, with a loss to the Cowboys the following week, or vice versa?

Win now ... pay later.

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11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If you are going to beat Dallas it’s not likely due to stopping their offense. Dallas offense is really good. Their oline is playing like a top 5 unit. Ferguson developing and stepping up and replacing schultz has been massive to give Dak another weapon in the passing game. Still don’t think their running game is great. It’s solid enough with how the passing game is going right now 

their offense is gonna put up points if Dak isn’t going to turn the ball over. Their bigger issue is that the 3 best teams they’ve face this year in Sf, eagles and Seahawks have scored 42, 28 and 35 points against their defense. So giving up an average of 35 ppg. They stopped herbert and the chargers but really i think that the chargers anre wildly inconsistent week to week and they know kellen moore very well which helps. Their defense reminds me a lot of Jonathan gannon’s defense last year. Where they’d feast on a lot of mediocre/bad QBs or dysfunctional offenses but against better offenses they really had issues. Can win a lot of games that way but eventually in the playoffs you face a good Qb and just trying to just simply outscore them in a shootout might not be enough.  

All good points. Here is where DAL struggled last night:

1. Big play for Seattle in their first drive set the tone for their passing game and the game in general, I think they were playing scared in pass defense after that DK play, DK and JSN are damn good, Lockett is showing his age.
2. SEA ran the ball effectively early (not great overall but effective) keeping the defense at bay
3. DAL couldn't get their running game going early, two yds a pop forced too many short dump offs to replace the run
4. DAL defense couldn't get to Geno for a sack and generally just played soft ,pressure yes, but no impact play until the last couple of series

I really think playing 3 games in 11-12 days took it's toll, yes two of those games were against horrible teams, but they are still NFL snaps against professionals. The defensive line looked gassed in the last series and i just knew they would give up a TD on that last drive.

McCarthy's decision to throw the ball at the goal line on third down was stupid...run it, burn time if you don't get it...Hawks were out of time outs...could have bled the clock to 1:20 or so before kicking the FG to stay out of the OT possiblity, or maybe get to 4 & 1 or less...I just didn't like the call, primariiy because of the amount of time left.

DAL was lucky in so many ways.

21 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

All Eagles need to do is come out strong smd take an early lead.  49ers can't play from behind.

Unlike the rest of San Fran.

16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Nobody is resting their starters in a Week 14 game.

 

Agreed.

I said we should have rested our starters last year vs. Dallas too. That was the right call then.

1 minute ago, paco said:

Unlike the rest of San Fran.

Eagles D should try to key on taking CMC out of the game (as much as possible) and in general take away the running game. Make Purdy beat you through the air and if he does, then hats off to him. We have been giving up too many rushing yards lately IMO, so let’s shut down the run and see where the chips fall. 

Maybe it can poop all over the SF sideline to make them feel like they are home.

 

So thoughts on this guys… Last night I’m talking to my brother and I said I wouldn’t trade Hurts for any QB in the league. Not just because of what he does on the field but everything that goes with it. He told me that was extremely arrogant. I mean I don’t think that’s arrogant? It’s an opinion and it’s a debate to be had. I wasn’t dismissive of any other QBs either.

52 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t think the padres with their financial situation and owner passing away want to take on castellanos contract so you’d have to divert him elsewhere in another trade or expand it into a 3-way type deal.

The only issue you have moving Castellanos is it creates a hole in the outfield. if Rojas is included in the trade then you don’t have anybody to fill it. Unless like what you put move Harper back to the outfield and sign Rhys Hoskins to play first this year. Which is something I said they should do this year anyways simply because rhys is a type of guy you don’t have enough of in that lineup.  he is going to take pitches, grind at bats and give you quality at bats. They have too many free swingers like schwarber, castellanos and even Turner this past year.

The problem is I don’t think they want to move Harper back to the outfield. So you’re gonna have to go into free agency and sign another outfielder because if they trade Rojas they don’t really have anyone in house. If they go FA to sign a guy i think a 2 year option (until Crawford is ready) is likely whit merrifield. I also wouldn’t be surprised if a minor trade with Alex verdugo who has 1 year left of Arbitration and the Red Sox are willing to unload him. Don’t know what the price would be. 

that said only way you can make this deal is if soto is willing to sign long term at time of the deal. Cause risking him going to FA at the end of the year and giving all that up is too much of a risk 

Well, they always could put Rhys back in LF.   

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So thoughts on this guys… Last night I’m talking to my brother and I said I wouldn’t trade Hurts for any QB in the league. Not just because of what he does on the field but everything that goes with it. He told me that was extremely arrogant. I mean I don’t think that’s arrogant? It’s an opinion and it’s a debate to be had. I wasn’t dismissive of any other QBs either.

I don’t see that as extremely arrogant. Hurts deserves credit for what he has done here. I do have a different view though when it comes to the trade.. I would take Maholmes without even thinking about it. Hate to say, as he plays for the Chiefs, but he is the best IMO

10 minutes ago, paco said:

Unlike the rest of San Fran.

I know you lived in Denver but I suppose you have a lot of SF experience as well 

1 hour ago, Joe Ball said:

A week and two days 😆

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