4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Dude, don't be dramatic. He didn't rough up anyone. He put his damn arm up. Stop acting like soccer players taking a dive. It's human nature to separate people getting into it to prevent something worse from happening. If he put the guy on his ass or shoved him then we could talk. That was nothing.

I think it is much about nothing. Fines and maybe stay 5 yards off the sideline or something. I'm in who cares territory on this.  Unless Dom is playing Linebacker next week?

And while we are at it, can we dispense with the idea that Dom would have kicked Greenlaw's ass?  40+ year old fat guys (no matter how big, no matter if from Philly and no matter how much we love them) cannot ever take an NFL player in his prime in a fight, lol. That is not a real thing.  Saw some comments on twitter-x to that effect.  People are dumber than rocks about real fights. Everybody has a plan...yada yada. 

30 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

As in, you have to be named Dom?  Or is this a Dom lookalike contest?  

I love Dom for what he did yesterday.  Take one for the team to get Greenlaw suspended.  Also, if Dom gets punishment, I hope Greenlaw gets a few games off for taking a swing at someone on the sidelines.

If they just let it go how many other teams start putting non-player team employees on the sidelines to taunt and draw unsportsmanlike penalties and get players tossed from games? I am not saying that was Dom's intention, but that is what ended up happening, and your response seems to indicate you think that is good for the league...surely your are just kidding right? At least if it stays between players, the fight results in the players getting ejected. It's a one for one situation.

If you allow non-players to insert themselves into the situation that is controlled by the players and referees, the player gets tossed for one team, but a non-player gets tossed for the other, teams could use that to their advantage.

Greenlaw committed an in game penalty, the flag was thrown. 15 yards move along...insert non-player into the situation it becomes more than what it needed to be. It sounds like Siri has a pretty smart take on the situation:

Shanahan did praise opposing coach Nick Sirianni for showing remorse about what happened.

"Yeah, he was awesome,” Shanahan said. "He wasn’t a fan of what happened on the play either. He handled it with total class. It was real cool.”

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Also 49ers were WAY more affected, since they lost an actual player for the game, gave the Eagles extra yards and lit a fire under them for one drive. While the Eagles only had their meme guy stand in the locker room.

Their guy through punch - can't have that.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Then it should be the rule across the board. How many fights or scrums have we seen in the last 20 years on the sidelines where coaches got between players or separated them? If any of them touch a player they should be banned as well. Of course that won't happen.

If you want the refs to be more of an influence over the game, sure. 

I honestly can't remember the last time I saw someone shove an opposing player. Anytime there is a sideline scuffle they usually just pull back their own players, or stand in-between with their back to the opposing player while they push there own guy back.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Have you watched the play?  I’ve watched it 10 times and I don’t see how someone on the sidelines trying to break up a shoving match, protecting himself and other players from potential injury is "making a mistake”. I would do that 100 times out of 100 times.
 

 If you don’t want me to protect myself or other players from potential injury, don’t allow me to be on the sidelines where situations like that can happen at any moment.  It’s the equivalent of saying, "If someone tries to hit you or someone else while standing on the sidelines, you are not allowed to protect yourself or anyone else.” 

The refs are there to do that. Greenlaw made a dirty play but he didn't continue it and start to pound on Smith. Who needed protecting? The play was over. It wasn't a bench clearing brawl. Dom did not need to protect himself. He initiated it, probably unintentionally and out of instinct, and Greenlaw responded. Is there a new role for security personnel to get into the action between players during a game? I thought they were supposed to protect the coaches and staff from people outside of those permitted to be on the field. No need to continue. This looks like parents jumping in during a pop warner football game to me but if you don't think so, that's fine.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

If you want the refs to be more of an influence over the game, sure. 

I honestly can't remember the last time I saw someone shove an opposing player. Anytime there is a sideline scuffle they usually just pull back their own players, or stand in-between with their back to the opposing player while they push there own guy back.

We must agree to disagree because I didn't see it as a shove.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Their guy through punch - can't have that.

Of course. I'm just failing to understand why people care so much some dude had to stand in the tunnel for half the game.

2 minutes ago, jamiller said:

cannot ever take an NFL player in his prime in a fight, lol. That is not a real thing.  

😆 Yeh, I'm de-escalating and walking away from a confrontation with an NFL player...especially the big uglies and dudes with just a true mean streak in them...6% body fat, quick as lightning, squat 600lbs, bench 600lbs...actually in top physical condition...no thanks.

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Their guy through punch - can't have that.

The league handles that...not the sideline bouncer.

3 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

The refs are there to do that. Greenlaw made a dirty play but he didn't continue it and start to pound on Smith. Who needed protecting? The play was over. It wasn't a bench clearing brawl. Dom did not need to protect himself. He initiated it, probably unintentionally and out of instinct, and Greenlaw responded. Is there a new role for security personnel to get into the action between players during a game? I thought they were supposed to protect the coaches and staff from people outside of those permitted to be on the field. No need to continue. This looks like parents jumping in during a pop warner football game to me but if you don't think so, that's fine.

So it went from "Hells Angles"/Bronx Tale now you can't leave scene to parents fighting in pop warner. I usually like your posts but we see this differently. Like you said it was probably just instinct. I didn't see a shove I saw it as a breaking things up which happens all the time. This is all way more than it was because Greenlaw lost his crap. Did he initiate? No...Greenlaw did walking into the bench area of the Eagles.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

We must agree to disagree because I didn't see it as a shove.

Shove, push, tush push. It doesn't really matter because he reached over refs and touched him.

 

Also I just noticed Ted Rath pulled him back at the end of the clip. He needs to do a better job as the get back guy.

 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

 

What a tease.

We need Leonard more than Dallas. Sirianni knows him better than any coach on Dallas' staff. We're still more likely to play home playoff games than Dallas. This all tracks.

Today I dont feel much different than I did last night:

 

1) Outcoached on both sides of the ball.

         A)  Offense Very little creativity- Reluctance to run the ball, despite having one of the biggest best Olines - yes their LB's are good but the run game is about physical dominance, and the more you stick with it, keep running the ball, the harder it is for the D to contain the running later in the game. it lierally wears them down.  Also keeps their Offense off the field  Hurts holding onto the ball too long- not checking the ball down - where was the quick pass game? all of this is on the coaching.

 

      B) Defense -  Poor tackling, Poor scheme, very little pressure on Purdy after the 1st QTR. The way to kill the snake is to cut the head off. 6 straight drives of TD's with most yards coming after the catch?   The bend and break defense broke in half yesterday, was open in the middle all game long.

 

out coached. The problem as I see it- these coordinators wont all of the sudden become great coordinators before the playoffs. SO if we win , it is in spite of the Coordinators. 

 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Next_Up said:

The refs are there to do that. Greenlaw made a dirty play but he didn't continue it and start to pound on Smith. Who needed protecting? The play was over. It wasn't a bench clearing brawl. Dom did not need to protect himself. He initiated it, probably unintentionally and out of instinct, and Greenlaw responded. Is there a new role for security personnel to get into the action between players during a game? I thought they were supposed to protect the coaches and staff from people outside of those permitted to be on the field. No need to continue. This looks like parents jumping in during a pop warner football game to me but if you don't think so, that's fine.

Nah.  It honestly wasn’t that bad and had Greenwall not contacted DiSandro, good chance we wouldn’t even be taking about it right now.

I think a simple solution like @jamiller said would have non coaching personnel stand 3-5 yards back - or something along those lines. 

Just now, RLC said:

We need Leonard more than Dallas. Sirianni knows him better than any coach on Dallas' staff. We're still more likely to play home playoff games than Dallas. This all tracks.

If Leonard has lost a step I'd imagine he'd rather be in Dallas because they are good enough to cover his flaws. In Philly every play will be under a microscope. 

He's just trying to drive his price up in DAL. That's where he wants to go.

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

D. Taylor - bust

N. Dean - bust

These two picks and the subsequent moves to fix this mess have really handicapped this defense. The fault lies 100% with Howie. I think it is the perfect example of the Eagles trying to get cute in the draft, thinking they are the smarter than everyone else.

Taylor was a terrible pick in the 3rd round.  I have a hard time labeling Dean as bust.  I just don't think his play has been bad.  I agree his missed time due to injuries make him headed in that direction and were foreseeable.  His pick was reasonable and it was the opposite of Taylor's.  It was along the lines of the pick of Jordan Hicks.  Edwards was a good pick up as a UDFA.  They did not do enough to keep him and the mistake was believing they could get a discount FA or another UDFA.  Howie is always going to look to save money at this position.  

40 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

I don't know how you don't do it simply knowing that this is the 3rd game in 13 days. Like... how do you not think to shorten the game and ease the burden on your players knowing you're playing with a huge rest deficit and a potentially even more important game coming up in a week.

Regardless, I don't think this is a simple fix. The entire offense is a massively oversimplified RPO version of taking exactly what the defense says they're going to give you. It's what *most* teams are moving toward in the NFL because it's lazy and easily teachable to young QB's and not something you can divorce yourself from this many weeks into the season. 

But I think you will agree just traditional runs are easier to switch to than trying to switch to an RRPO offense (which we do).  So it shouldn't be that hard to mix in some damn dive plays with Swift.  Hell, even our little RBs seem to get yards on straight dives, which does always surprise me. 

Should have run right the F at them.  And that is what we should do to Dallas too. Lighter up front. Run right at them. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Nah.  It honestly wasn’t that bad and had Greenwall not contacted DiSandro, good chance we wouldn’t even be taking about it right now.

I think a simple solution like @jamiller said would have non coaching personnel stand 3-5 yards back - or something along those lines. 

Dom stepped toward Greenlaw...not the other way around. Dom stepped into the white towards him...he just needs to know his role, period. The NFL policy is clear regarding non-player personnel.

6 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

😆 Yeh, I'm de-escalating and walking away from a confrontation with an NFL player...especially the big uglies and dudes with just a true mean streak in them...6% body fat, quick as lightning, squat 600lbs, bench 600lbs...actually in top physical condition...no thanks.

Dom would have folded Greenlaw up inside of 30 seconds.  I'd have bet quite a bit of money on that.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Pull the contract. This dudes a clown.

Part of me doesn't even want him to be honest. I don't think he'll make a difference, and the faux excitement about how he's going to vastly improve the defense by idiots who haven't seen him play is going to be annoying to listen to.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Alshon giving out leaks