3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Err.  I’ve been pro Hurts since day 1, including the day he was drafted.  So you’re wrong there.

 

I'm not saying you were anti-Hurts.  I'm saying when was this time exactly where 12 personnel apparently made Jalen Hurts who he is and put him on the map?  Silly claim. 

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

More than the backups they have now.  Stoll leads the backup group with 7 targets this year. With Goedert out he had 0 targets yesterday vs the 49ers.  Calcaretta has 0 targets all year, Albert O has 1 target all year, yesterday vs 49ers. 

Ertz this year so far: 43 targets, 27 rec, 187 yards, 1 TD as a backup (starter McBride has 74 targets).

The backup TEs provide nothing.  Ertz would at least get some targets and catches.

 

Goedert is back this week.  Ertz isn't taking targets from Goedert.  You're looking at 0-2 targets a game for Ertz if he was signed.  

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

What are you even trying to argue?  Would Ertz be an upgrade over them?  Yeah he likely would.  But he isn't the player he was and he isn't coming into this team late season to suddenly become a big part of the offense.  

In 5 games for the Eagles Julio has 5 receptions for 16 yards and a TD.  I'd be shocked if Ertz is signed and in the final 5 games his statistical output in the final 5 games is all that different than Julio's.  His primary purpose as a depth piece would be that if the worst case scenario happens and Goedert goes down again that maybe we wouldn't be so helpless when it comes to having a TE to pass to.  

People here are getting their hopes way too high for some potential impact that a Ertz signing would have on this offense.  It would be minimal if anything.  

.  I jumped in when you claimed that playing Ertz would require they remove a 'better' player from the field.  I pressed you on that point, and you came back with nonsense about AJ, Smith and Goedert.  When pushed that Ertz would be replacing Stoll, Calcaterra and Albert O... and that he's an upgrade over them, you concede the point, while continuing to think that I am proposing something I am not.   I don't expect 2017 Ertz to show up.  That would be great, but its not realistic.  I'm looking for someone better than Stoll to get snaps, and as Ertz is the only option available... then he's the best choice.    AND, I'd be ok with having Ertz waiting in the wings as well, in case Goedert does get hurt again.  He's been hurt every year except his rookie year while he's played in the NFL, so it's certainly possible he gets hurt again down the stretch.  And if that happens, I'd prefer to have Ertz than Stoll playing more snaps.  He won't be what he was, but he's still going to be better than what Stoll is.

I'm not delusional regarding what Ertz is.  But I am highly realistic regarding what our TE depth actually is.  

3 minutes ago, judunno said:

Agreed. It's the scheme that puts too much pressure on the LBs and Safeties.

I think it is teams know the eagles have been linebackers, mediocre safeties in a bad spot corner. So why would you really attacks slay or Bradberry who are still decent? both are still above average players. You attack those guys who suck or aren’t very good because you’re gonna have a ton of success. Again, this goes back to what I said last night. It is really hard fit a defense to cover up for like 4-5 players being bad or average. 

42 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Ertez career stats.  Caught 4 tds last year in 10 games.  Gtfo here with Calcaterra, Albert O and Julio Jones. 

47 passes on 69 targets last year.  27 passes on 43 targets this year in only 7 games - he was on pace to catch 65 passes this year.  

Sounds pretty far from "washed up” to me. 

Can we steal some of those San Fran plays from yesterday? We have the personnel to run those. Pretty damn awesome designs.

2 minutes ago, Eagz said:

The question is, are you happy with status quo, given the stagnation in O? The thought of trying something different on depth end of the roster must surely be appealing?

 

I have no issue signing him to bring him as depth if something happens to Goedert.  It's pure fan faction disconnected from reality though to think that if the Eagles sign him that he is going to come in and become some impact player on offense.  He will come in and hardly get any targets if god willing Goedert doesn't go down again the rest of the season.  Ertz will do nothing to change the stagnation on offense.  

26 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You're trying to argue semantics.  Point is that this offense and Hurts isn't going to be looking to a washed Zach Ertz over AJ, DeVonta or Goedert in the redzone or outside of the redzone.  Zach Ertz in his prime was never some big redzone target.  He isn't going to suddenly become that for the Eagles here late in the season off the street. 

Julio Jones, OZ and Quez as backup receivers (backup to two 1,000 yard receivers) still have more targets and catches than any backup TE.

Ertz is just another rotational piece, insurance for Goedert being injured.  Doesn't mean they would change to start using 12 personnel (though they could, they found ways to get Julio Jones involved).  If Goedert out, the backup TEs are useless in the receiving game.  They can also rotate Ertz in a little bit.

No one thinks Ertz will produce a lot...just more than the current backup TEs.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Julio Jones, OZ and Quez as backup receivers (backup to two 1,000 yard receivers) still have more targets and catches than any backup TE.

Ertz is just another rotational piece, insurance for Goedert being injured.  Doesn't mean they would change to start using 12 personnel (though they could, they found ways to get Julio Jones involved).  If Goedert out, the backup TEs are useless in the receiving game.  They can also rotate Ertz in a little bit.

No one thinks Ertz will produce a lot...just more than the current backup TEs.

 

No there are people here that think that Ertz would produce a lot.  That he would change the trajectory of the offense and become some redzone threat that he never was in his career. 

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What impact have Grant Calcaterra and Albert O had?   Combined they have 0 receptions, but a number of drops.    Ertz can do that in his sleep.  

A few fans here for some reason keep hyping scrub backup TEs who have done absolutely nothing as if cutting them for Ertz would be detrimental.  They do nothing.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I have no issue signing him to bring him as depth if something happens to Goedert.  It's pure fan faction disconnected from reality though to think that if the Eagles sign him that he is going to come in and become some impact player on offense.  He will come in and hardly get any targets if god willing Goedert doesn't go down again the rest of the season.  Ertz will do nothing to change the stagnation on offense.  

What are you talking about? Nobody is talking about Ertz as being nothing more than depth. Could he help in the red zone? Maybe who knows. Could he help more than the other TEs not named Goedert. Absolutely.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

No there are people here that think that Ertz would produce a lot.  That he would change the trajectory of the offense and become some redzone threat that he never was in his career. 

Quote those people please... I'd like to call them delusional too. Where are they?

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

They aren't going to be looking for Ertz in the redzone or big moments needing a first down in a game.  Realistically how many targets would you think that Ertz gets here in the final 5 games if he is signed?  I'll put the o/u at 10.5 total targets in the 5 remaining games.  Would you take the over or under because I would take the under.  

Here is the bottom line....Ertz used to be a PB. GC and AO gave them absolutely nothing the last few weeks while DG was out. There is no reason to keep either on the team and Ertz can't possibly give them less than zero.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

No there are people here that think that Ertz would produce a lot.  That he would change the trajectory of the offense and become some redzone threat that he never was in his career. 

Who are they?  Show a single post that says that.  

 

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You don't claim that he would be a big part of the offense if signed?  Then why are you wasting both of our time arguing with me when that's my whole point.  I have no issue with signing Ertz.  He would be an improvement over the bottom of the depth chart for TE.  I'm just pointing out that he isn't going to be some savior or impact player on offense that people are talking themselves into thinking.  His impact would be no greater than what we have seen from Julio.

I'm not projecting any thoughts on Goedert.  I'm watching his response to a question where he made it pretty clear he isn't that excited about a potential return of Ertz.  

That's all anyone is saying, he's an improvement over the backup TEs they have now, and no one is saying he's "some savior" or impact player.  So...you're arguing with straw men and actually agreeing with everyone else that he would simply be better than the backups they have now.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

Quote those people please... I'd like to call them delusional too. Where are they?

 

@Cliftoma believes that Ertz's impact can be 2 first downs or a TD each game.

@Ace Nova believes that Ertz hasn't really declined much and the Eagles will run primarily out of 12 personnel with the arrival of Ertz to fully utilize him.

@Diehardfan also seems to believe that Ertz would become this redzone weapon if he were signed her.  

They just have to cheat like San Francisco did yesterday...

2-0 essay...

Since this deek lover doesn't want Ertz, I hope he signs with the Eagles even more now

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Goedert is back this week.  Ertz isn't taking targets from Goedert.  You're looking at 0-2 targets a game for Ertz if he was signed.  

Great.  That's more targets than Calcaretta and Albert O combined.  

When defenses see our TEs not named Goedert in the game, they know it means nothing.  They won't even get a target.  Maybe, just maybe having Ertz on the field (when Goedert is not) the defense has to consider he can actually catch a ball.

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

No there are people here that think that Ertz would produce a lot.  That he would change the trajectory of the offense and become some redzone threat that he never was in his career. 

Nobody is saying he's going to be amazing. 

EVERYBODY EXCEPT YOU is saying that he an upgrade over Calcaterra, Albert O and Julio Jones.  

And 4 tds last year in 10 games is more than all three of those other guys in 10 games this year. So yeah he's  a better redzone threat than them.

Guys we should bring back nick foles to be the backup. 

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

@Cliftoma believes that Ertz's impact can be 2 first downs or a TD each game.

@Ace Nova believes that Ertz hasn't really declined much and the Eagles will run primarily out of 12 personnel with the arrival of Ertz to fully utilize him.

@Diehardfan also seems to believe that Ertz would become this redzone weapon if he were signed her.  

I think he'd be used in the RZ the same way as Jones. Tool isn't the same as weapon.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Guys we should bring back nick foles to be the backup. 

Think Hurts can handle that mentally? 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Guys we should bring back nick foles to be the backup. 

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