Just now, Eagz said:

Can you elaborate? Do you feel TEs such as Calcaterra and AO would contribute more down the line than Ertz would?

I did already

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I did already

I just went through your post history (joined this convo late).

Beyond injury concerns for ZE, I don't see much cause for concern given the existing TE depth lack of availability and contribution thus far. It is what it is.

@mattwill

cowboys 38 eagles 27

We aren't winning again until the first giants game.

Prediction: turnovers rear their ugly heads again as the offense tries too hard. 2 interceptions and a fumble.

7 minutes ago, devpool said:

@mattwill

cowboys 38 eagles 27

We aren't winning again until the first giants game.

Prediction: turnovers rear their ugly heads again as the offense tries too hard. 2 interceptions and a fumble.

incredible 

8 minutes ago, Eagz said:

I just went through your post history (joined this convo late).

Beyond injury concerns for ZE, I don't see much cause for concern given the existing TE depth lack of availability and contribution thus far. It is what it is.

That's fine to have a different view. I still disagree. I said before I'm okay with that regardless of whether others are

1 hour ago, devpool said:

@mattwill

cowboys 38 eagles 27

We aren't winning again until the first giants game.

Prediction: turnovers rear their ugly heads again as the offense tries too hard. 2 interceptions and a fumble.

I honestly think this team responds with a vengeance. If they don't they aren't worthy of winning a SB but I expect what we saw vs Miami. And I'm the Eeyore of the forum. 

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

That's fine to have a different view. I still disagree. I said before I'm okay with that regardless of whether others are

I’m not sure Ertz would fit in the locker room anymore.  He’d be the 4th or 5th receiving target in the offense, and offers nothing at all to support the run game.  He’s a big slot WR, basically.  Not gonna get any YAC yards at all — he’s a catch and fall.  He’s low risk, but I also think he’s low reward at this point.

I’ll admit it freely; I was very put off by Ertz’s attitude and effort level his last season in Philly.  He put his contract over the team and that’s tough for me to look past.  I’d rather remember him for the winning TD in the Super Bowl and leave him there.

6 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We hardly knew ye.   Farewell stranger.

Another great safety signing a lot of us called out at the time as not being anywhere good enough 

Regarding Hurts:

He's obviously better than what I gave him credit for initially. I have conceded that.

However he still gets happy feet, can't read a field and rolls right constantly. I don't know if it's the play calling making it worse or what, but he needs to let it rip and stay in the damn pocket. As much as Johnson is at fault, Hurts has missed several open targets all season.

4 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m not sure Ertz would fit in the locker room anymore.  He’d be the 4th or 5th receiving target in the offense, and offers nothing at all to support the run game.  He’s a big slot WR, basically.  Not gonna get any YAC yards at all — he’s a catch and fall.  He’s low risk, but I also think he’s low reward at this point.

I’ll admit it freely; I was very put off by Ertz’s attitude and effort level his last season in Philly.  He put his contract over the team and that’s tough for me to look past.  I’d rather remember him for the winning TD in the Super Bowl and leave him there.

To be honest his last season only really highlighted what was the truth all along, I remember it coming up when there were rumours he wanted paying at the level of Kittle and Kelce, his YAC are a huge step below the very best at the position, his numbers in Philly were entirely volume driven because Wentz far preferred looking over the middle to throwing outside the hashes, and they were all air yards, he catches the ball and goes down, you would never see him turn upfield and truck a defender like Kittle does week in week out. 

To re-sign him at this stage of his career would be a blatant case of sentiment over football.

28 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

To be honest his last season only really highlighted what was the truth all along, I remember it coming up when there were rumours he wanted paying at the level of Kittle and Kelce, his YAC are a huge step below the very best at the position, his numbers in Philly were entirely volume driven because Wentz far preferred looking over the middle to throwing outside the hashes, and they were all air yards, he catches the ball and goes down, you would never see him turn upfield and truck a defender like Kittle does week in week out. 

To re-sign him at this stage of his career would be a blatant case of sentiment over football.

Nah it would be depth. Stoll is not a good receiver/route runner. Calcadude can't stay on the field and frankly should retire given his concussion history. AO... not sure what gives with him. Feels like a Penny situation with that guy and he's only dressed because Dallas is out. Ertz has experience and familiarity with what the Eagles do. Possession type TE with decent hands. Worth a look if it means Hurts' comfort level giving him targets is more than the current group of backups.

If they cut/IR-stash Julio I’d feel better about bringing in Zertz. Can’t have a bunch of depth guys who can’t play STs on the roster, just the reality of roster building.

6 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

I honestly think this team responds with a vengeance. If they don't they aren't worthy of winning a SB but I expect what we saw vs Miami. And I'm the Eeyore of the forum. 

Pretty much how I feel. Win the East... get the bye or they have no shot. Play to that damn standard they've been talking about all year that they have failed to reach in every game.

7 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

If they cut/IR-stash Julio I’d feel better about bringing in Zertz. Can’t have a bunch of depth guys who can’t play STs on the roster, just the reality of roster building.

If he's replacing Calcadude it's not really impacting much in regards to STs

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

Regarding Hurts:

He's obviously better than what I gave him credit for initially. I have conceded that.

However he still gets happy feet, can'tread a field and rolls right constantly. I don't know if it's the play calling making it worse or what, but he needs to let it rip and stay in the damn pocket. As much as Johnson is at fault, Hurts has missed several open targets all season.

hurts is still growing as a QB.  He probably really was never coached as a pocket passer and is just now focusing on those skills.  so it's not surprising that he's still developing those and will have some growing pains.  I have seen significant improvement though in that area especially last year and some this year although it has seemed to plateau a bit.  maybe that's due to the new OC I don't know.  The point is that he is still a very young and has room to improve.  that coupled with his work ethic gives me alot of reason to be optimistic moving forward. 

9 hours ago, bpac55 said:

In the grand scheme of things this is correct and hopefully not just for this year but for the long run too. The 49ers exposed every single Eagles weakness for all to see. The question is, how do they respond? BG seems to get it. Is the rest of the team pissed off too? Did Howie take note at the positions he continues to ignore or where he needs to get younger and faster in a hurry? 

The Eagles can be very stubborn in thinking their way always works. The 49ers just showed that no, it doesn't. I can't wait to see how this team responds. 

I think the most important things they need to change are the way they do things with what they already have.

We all know they more or less ignore LB…but you do have to preferentially stack talent at certain positions and I’m ok with LB lagging behind.

I do think they have over invested in DT.  The DTs are playing well…but they aren’t blowing up games.  And if the DTs aren’t blowing up games, that actually makes them one of the most underperforming problematic groups considering the way the team is built.  We’ve got good money going to former first round pick Cox, 3rd rounder Williams, back to back high first round picks in Davis and Carter…and TWO other draft picks rounding out the depth.  And people still talking about needing to sign Suh.   That’s not great return.

2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

To be honest his last season only really highlighted what was the truth all along, I remember it coming up when there were rumours he wanted paying at the level of Kittle and Kelce, his YAC are a huge step below the very best at the position, his numbers in Philly were entirely volume driven because Wentz far preferred looking over the middle to throwing outside the hashes, and they were all air yards, he catches the ball and goes down, you would never see him turn upfield and truck a defender like Kittle does week in week out. 

To re-sign him at this stage of his career would be a blatant case of sentiment over football.

That’s a fair point in a way. But I think that argument works only against the viewpoint that he’d be brought in here to be the primary guy at the position. But with Goedert, that’s clearly not the case. He’d be added to upgrade what we’re getting from the backup tight ends. And I think any rational observer would view him as a notable upgrade there, despite the nearly invisible YAC he offers.

6 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m not sure Ertz would fit in the locker room anymore.  He’d be the 4th or 5th receiving target in the offense, and offers nothing at all to support the run game.  He’s a big slot WR, basically.  Not gonna get any YAC yards at all — he’s a catch and fall.  He’s low risk, but I also think he’s low reward at this point.

I’ll admit it freely; I was very put off by Ertz’s attitude and effort level his last season in Philly.  He put his contract over the team and that’s tough for me to look past.  I’d rather remember him for the winning TD in the Super Bowl and leave him there.

I’m all for Ertz as a Goedert replacement if he’s not ready.  I’d also consider Ertz as a Julio replacement…he could probably do that job better.

We had prime Ertz and Goedert together and they were a disaster on the field together.  It didn’t work.  Let’s not revisit that 12 personnel base offense ever again.

1 hour ago, judunno said:

If he's replacing Calcadude it's not really impacting much in regards to STs

Calcadude plays ST as does Stoll - a side effect of being paper thin at LB is we need other bodies to backfill on these teams.

Just for fun, to revisit the post SB vision for the Eagles offense:

Alshon Jeffery, JJAW, Ertz, Goedert base offense…and a low volume over the hill token speedster to occasionally spread things out (Torrey Smith, Wallace, Desean, etc).

Just think of that.  A base offense with Jeffery, JJAW and 2 TEs.  (Vomit).  Everyone hyped it up saying we’d either pass over their heads or run it down their throat and that alignment would be impossible to match up against.  What no one, including eagles brass, accounted for is that teams just treat Ertz as a WR.  He doesn’t block.  Slap a CB on him and no one is getting open.  He doesn’t block well enough for the run game to get going either.  So their 12 personnel was really 11 personnel with the 3 most lead footed WRs in the nfl.  They struggled to separate against LBs and couldn’t steamroll blocking DBs.

The blog is so much better after a L 😁

Ertz as a big Slot Receiver, will contribute to this O and be a net gain over Julio and Quez. Would he contribute enough to make him happy? Separate question.  If he's coming into win a another ring though, then the question of productivity could slightly be diminished and he may well be more motivated to do the dirty work.

I can well imagine the team meetings in the Novacare this week are going to be containing a lot of tape that the coaches may have been waiting to show for a while. AJs minimal effort run blocking, Hurts bailing at random points from the pocket, 2 false starts from Kelce, etc. BG alluded to issues, and after that kicking, perfect time to reset.

 

8 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Calcadude plays ST as does Stoll - a side effect of being paper thin at LB is we need other bodies to backfill on these teams.

Calcadude isn't playing anything in street clothes.

2 minutes ago, judunno said:

Calcadude isn't playing anything in street clothes.

You are only going to carry 3 TEs on gameday, 2 of them will play STs (normally).

Did the Eagles cut anybody for Leonard yet?