13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think they should give Bieniemy a try out at least as it's not likely they make a coaching staff change but keep the OC. I forgot they play on Thanksgiving though so if they were to do that, it would probably be after that game. 

Their next coach will be Doc Rivers.

13 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I’ve been operating under the assumption that the new owner decided from day one that he would give the coaching staff the entire season before making a decision. And even though the decision is sort of obvious at this point, it doesn’t really accomplish anything by firing the head coach now.

The whole season for them had the air of the coaches sort of freewheeling it because they know the jigs up unless they go deep playoff and they know they don't have the roster.

I don't really understand why Bienemy jumped there if I'm honest, unless he was given the nod by the incoming owners that he'd get the head coach seat.

7 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

From what I've seen of them, Zach Wilson isn't a guy who's going to throw the ball perfectly even if he knows he's about to take a hit, the instant the interior protection looks like breaking down he's firing that ball into the turf or out of bounds. Rodgers would improve their offense leaps and bounds just by making the throws Wilson misses when he does have time.

But for how long is my point. He can't take that many hits standing in there and from the little of what I saw of the Jets their OL was really bad.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm arguing that 'statement' games aren't a real thing in the NFL.  That's a college football mindset from years gone by much more, where HOW you win is just as important, if not more, than IF you win.  You need to impress the voters and 'the committee'.  The Eagles have the best record in the NFL.   That's the only statement that matters.   Everything else is style points.

Everyone would like to see them 'put it all together'.  But that's not a 'statement' game.  That's just playing their best.  And frankly, tonight isn't a game where that's the goal.  The goal continues to be 'win and advance'.  In fact, that never changes.  Win and advance.  

They have a tough game tonight... a win would be really nice.   Next week, against the Bills is another test.  A win would be really nice.   Then they have the 49ers and Dallas back to back.   If they win those two games they bury both of them and pretty much assure themselves of no worse than the 2 seed.   I don't need to see them 'peaking' at the right time, I need to see them win.  If they continue to win, no one will care about the 'style' points.    Does anyone remember that the 1972 Dolphins had some games that they barely scraped by?  Or is the only thing that matters that they won all their games?   The 2007 Patriots had plenty of 'statement' games along the way to 18-0... leading up to the Super Bowl.   But they lost that Super Bowl game, and none of those statement games mattered a bit.   The only thing that truly matters is to win each week.  And while they talk about the plays they left out there, and wanting to clean those up (and they should) the reason they want to clean them up is to improve their chances at winning each game, not to make it look prettier.    Dominance is determined by winning more games than everyone else.

 

It would be nice for the circulatory system of the fanbase and likely the team and coaches too... but 'statements' aren't really the goals.  The goals are to win and move on to the next game.  And while this is a 'Super Bowl rematch' game, its no more important than any other game, in fact, it is LESS important than the games against the 49ers and Cowboys coming up, given the way tie-breakers work.   Eagles just need to take care of their own business, nothing more, nothing less.

You're caught up in semantics. You're not going to sit here and tell me that the players believe that they have played to their standards. If/when they do that, I am a firm believer that it will result in a complete statement game if not for the fans for them. The bar has been raised. Hurts, Kelce all of those guys talk about it time and time again that "we need to play to our standards. we haven't played to our standards". I'm pretty sure those standards are dominance and minimizing mistakes, playing high level of football in all phases of the game. Essentially manhandling a team. Couldn't care less about what the fan base thinks. I'm looking at what the players and the coaching staff have been saying and pretty much their body language after practically every win this season. A win is a win and they are tough to come by in the NFL but you can see it in Hurts and the rest of the leaders that they want more and what they have been doing so far doesn't scratch the surface of what they believe they are capable of doing. They are going to need to feel that confidence leading up to the playoffs. 1st half of the season was fun... get the kinks out... coast to some wins. Now it's time to ball like they know they can.

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11 minutes ago, judunno said:

You're caught up in semantics. You're not going to sit here and tell me that the players believe that they have played to their standards. If/when they do that, I am a firm believer that it will result in a complete statement game if not for the fans for them. The bar has been raised. Hurts, Kelce all of those guys talk about it time and time again that "we need to play to our standards. we haven't played to our standards". I'm pretty sure those standards are dominance and minimizing mistakes, playing high level of football in all phases of the game. Essentially manhandling a team. Couldn't care less about what the fan base thinks. I'm looking at what the players and the coaching staff have been saying and pretty much their body language after practically every win this season. A win is a win and they are tough to come by in the NFL but you can see it in Hurts and the rest of the leaders that they want more and what they have been doing so far doesn't scratch the surface of what they believe they are capable of doing. They are going to need to feel that confidence leading up to the playoffs. 1st half of the season was fun... get the kinks out... coast to some wins.

Is it all on the players or do you factor in the two new OCs?

 

17 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

The whole season for them had the air of the coaches sort of freewheeling it because they know the jigs up unless they go deep playoff and they know they don't have the roster.

I don't really understand why Bienemy jumped there if I'm honest, unless he was given the nod by the incoming owners that he'd get the head coach seat.

Probably because it's the only thing he could find where he could call plays. Sticking with Andy wasn't going to progress his career, he had to go somewhere. 

 

2 minutes ago, judunno said:

You're caught up in semantics. You're not going to sit here and tell me that the players believe that they have played to their standards. If/when they do that, I am a firm believer that it will result in a complete statement game if not for the fans for them. The bar has been raised. Hurts, Kelce all of those guys talk about it time and time again that "we need to play to our standards. we haven't played to our standards". I'm pretty sure those standards are dominance and minimizing mistakes, playing high level of football in all phases of the game. Essentially manhandling a team. Couldn't care less about what the fan base thinks. I'm looking at what the players and the coaching staff have been saying and pretty much their body language after practically every win this season. A win is a win and they are tough to come by in the NFL but you can see it in Hurts and the rest of the leaders that they want more and what they have been doing so far doesn't scratch the surface of what they believe they are capable of doing. They are going to need to feel that confidence leading up to the playoffs. 1st half of the season was fun... get the kinks out... coast to some wins.

Not at all.  I think winning a game gives confidence.   Winning a lot of games gives a lot of confidence.    And winning close games gives you experience of doing so and confidence in a close game when the stakes are higher.    Why do you want to make this game more than that?   You want pretty wins and think the team needs to feel confidence from a big win?   Did the confidence the 49ers got from beating up Dallas do anything for them when they lost three games in a row?  Dallas beat up the Giants and then the Jets... TONS of confidence.  Then they were humbled by the lowly Cardinals.  How did the 'statement' wins help them?   Then Dallas blew the doors off of the Patriots.   Great.    And then were smoked by the 49ers.   Was that confidence they experience helpful?   Then they handled the Rams really well... only to lose to the Eagles.    Where is the carryover of confidence from statement wins?

 

Nah.   Win the game and move on to the next.   Stay humble and work to improve each week, and don't believe that you've ever arrived.  Statement wins are fun for pundits to talk about, but clearly they have almost no effect on the field.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Isn't he the d-bag that was playing super dirty trying to injure our guys at the end of the NFC Champ game last year? 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Will always love Rodney McLeod.

 

7 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Isn't he the d-bag that was playing super dirty trying to injure our guys at the end of the NFC Champ game last year? 

He had a late hit on Hurts but it wasn't that egregious. He shoved him in the back when he stepped out of bounds.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

How is Rivera not fired yet?

He's a nice guy and the new ownership was planning on replacing him already so why bother?  Better draft pick?  A third thing?

For those who are curious, here are the 78 predictions recorded so far in highest to lowest score order.  The predicted Chiefs wins are highlighted in yellow. 48 Eagles wins, 30 Chiefs wins and 2 ties.  Average predicted score is Eagles 29 Chiefs 28  But it is closer than that ... 28.55 to 28.31 to be exact.

4 minutes ago, paco said:

He's a nice guy and the new ownership was planning on replacing him already so why bother?  Better draft pick?  A third thing?

Give Bieniemy a chance and also try to salvage the fanbase who was actually happy with the team for a month. 

Send a message that you actually care about the team and losing to Danny DeVito isn't acceptable, nor has been the job done by the coaching staff the last however many years that Snyder left it as status quo. 

41 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

The whole season for them had the air of the coaches sort of freewheeling it because they know the jigs up unless they go deep playoff and they know they don't have the roster.

I don't really understand why Bienemy jumped there if I'm honest, unless he was given the nod by the incoming owners that he'd get the head coach seat.

Hard to be considered an elite OC when Mahomes is your QB.  But if you can make Sam Howell and a paper mache oline look good.....

43 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

The whole season for them had the air of the coaches sort of freewheeling it because they know the jigs up unless they go deep playoff and they know they don't have the roster.

I don't really understand why Bienemy jumped there if I'm honest, unless he was given the nod by the incoming owners that he'd get the head coach seat.

To call plays.  That happens with Big Red OCs.  The grumble is a lack of experience with play calling.

 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Give Bieniemy a chance and also try to salvage the fanbase who was actually happy with the team for a month. 

Send a message that you actually care about the team and losing to Danny DeVito isn't acceptable, nor has been the job done by the coaching staff the last however many years that Snyder left it as status quo. 

If they get beatdown by Dallas, then Bienemy has a mini-bye to take over. I think they'd wait for that, if they are willing to pull the plug. 

Also, remember -- Harris is cheap. He might actually keep Ron as a lame duck next year.

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If they get beatdown by Dallas, then Bienemy has a mini-bye to take over. I think they'd wait for that, if they are willing to pull the plug. 

Also, remember -- Harris is cheap. He might actually keep Ron as a lame duck next year.

Washington will not get beat down by Dallas on Thanksgiving. I’ve seen this movie too many times. No matter the records it’s a divisional game and Dallas just finds ways to play like crap on Thanksgiving. It’ll be a close game.

48 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

Is it all on the players or do you factor in the two new OCs?

When the players speak I believe they are speaking of what they can control and are looking in the mirror. They have to execute just as much as the coaches have to call the right plays. The coaches haven't been telling these guys to turn the ball over in the red zone for example or miss this read or this block. When the coaches speak they are including themselves and the players. At least that's the way I see it.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

From what I've seen of them, Zach Wilson isn't a guy who's going to throw the ball perfectly even if he knows he's about to take a hit, the instant the interior protection looks like breaking down he's firing that ball into the turf or out of bounds. Rodgers would improve their offense leaps and bounds just by making the throws Wilson misses when he does have time.

Zach Wilso is mostly a terrible QB that will occassionally make a nice throw.  There's no question having Rodgers back will help.  I think the question is whether Rodgers can survive behind the Jets o-line. 

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

The whole season for them had the air of the coaches sort of freewheeling it because they know the jigs up unless they go deep playoff and they know they don't have the roster.

I don't really understand why Bienemy jumped there if I'm honest, unless he was given the nod by the incoming owners that he'd get the head coach seat.

"Jigwise, all was up"-S.J. Perelman