@bpac55

We talked last week about not using players the right way and I pushed back pretty hard against that idea. While I still don’t think it’s to the level as you, at the very least it’s stale.

I think we’ve fallen in love with AJB go routes. He was on a heater, but that’s not what makes him special. It’s in-cutting routes, shrugging a DB and picking up big yards. We don’t run enough deep crosses with him. On fourth and long we freaking ran mesh against a blitz. What the hell?

We didn’t use Dallas’ aggression against them at all. No RB screens. I don’t recall seeing the pony package. No jet sweeps. The Dallas Goedert portion of the playbook has been stripped down to the occasional screen and a play we’re 50-50 to get hit with OPI. 

You mentioned last night that everything seems so hard for us right now. For the past two years offensively we have asked each player to go out and win one on one. We leave tackles on islands to try to hunt them out. There isn’t a great deal of creativity in it, just like up and win. 

42 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It's amazing given the investment in the DL that they don't have sufficient bodies there, especially considering that they haven't had an injury to the DE position (though they did cut Barnett).

Cutting him without using another body to eat up snaps seems foolish. Especially in this string of games

Another beat down. This team has zero heart.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If that's true... then they need to clean house in the coaches' room.  That's a fireable offense in the NFL.   This isn't the ACC where you can get away with that garbage.  This is the NFL, blitz schemes here are more complicated and the players are more talented.   You need to have an X's and O's answer to that, because alone, the Jimmie's and the Joe's can't win consistently enough.  

 

I don’t think we’ve had hot routes at all under Sirianni, or at least they are few and far between. There have been a ton of examples of this. I have no idea if he fundamentally disagrees with them because of concern of a miscommunication or what, but we’ve seen plenty of examples where our answer isn’t a hot route, but a WR screen when facing a blitz. 

37 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And yet none of that matters if you can't possess the ball.

The WRs aren't chronic fumblers 

There’s no accountability for anyone, coaches or players. They just go out and do the same thing week after week.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think we’ve had hot routes at all under Sirianni, or at least they are few and far between. There have been a ton of examples of this. I have no idea if he fundamentally disagrees with them because of concern of a miscommunication or what, but we’ve seen plenty of examples where our answer isn’t a hot route, but a WR screen when facing a blitz. 

I stand by what I said.  This is the NFL, if you don't have hot routes, you will get burned by blitzes.  And we are seeing it.  Fortunately, the team has enough talent to get by against a lot of teams without them.  But against the best, especially the best pass rushes, a blitz on top just can't be stopped.  The ball needs to come out hot.  Even if its just an incomplete pass... taking the sack isn't a solution.  And relying on Hurts to escape it all the time is also not a solution.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

The WRs aren't chronic fumbles.

The TEAM is chronically turning the ball over. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

@bpac55

We talked last week about not using players the right way and I pushed back pretty hard against that idea. While I still don’t think it’s to the level as you, at the very least it’s stale.

I think we’ve fallen in love with AJB go routes. He was on a heater, but that’s not what makes him special. It’s in-cutting routes, shrugging a DB and picking up big yards. We don’t run enough deep crosses with him. On fourth and long we freaking ran mesh against a blitz. What the hell?

We didn’t use Dallas’ aggression against them at all. No RB screens. I don’t recall seeing the pony package. No jet sweeps. The Dallas Goedert portion of the playbook has been stripped down to the occasional screen and a play we’re 50-50 to get hit with OPI. 

You mentioned last night that everything seems so hard for us right now. For the past two years offensively we have asked each player to go out and win one on one. We leave tackles on islands to try to hunt them out. There isn’t a great deal of creativity in it, just like up and win. 

I just don't get it. He's a bully on those crossers and they don't use them. Last week he was at like 2 for 50+ in the 1st quarter and then they didn't go back to it at all. Not only are they money plays but they are easy completions that should help Hurts get in to a groove.

I've given up any hope on the Eagles ever developing a competent screen game under this coaching staff. They just refuse to despite the OL being perfect for it and having backs that can thrive at it.

I admitted last night that I'm probably too critical of Goedert but the fact of the matter is he's better than Ferguson and Ferguson made Goedert look obsolete last night. That shouldn't be happening. 

The offense just makes no sense. The players aren't helping things either but the coaches have to be better. Much better.

How many times can we say "this team has talent”? Talent only gets you so far. You need a good scheme and right now neither side of the ball has one.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The TEAM is chronically turning the ball over. 

That is true.

3 minutes ago, xxeaglesfanxx said:

How many times can we say "this team has talent”? Talent only gets you so far. You need a good scheme and right now neither side of the ball has one.

Gotta flip this around to the coaches...  Howie needs to tell them this... (btw, that's a fact across the entirety of the NFL.  No team has enough talent to win on talent alone.)

 

What an absolute mess....just way too many problems to even have a conversation about fixing this team.

All I know is, when what should be your most reliable units (OL and DL) are severely underperforming, you have no shot.

And when there are this many problems, it's coaching.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Gotta flip this around to the coaches...  Howie needs to tell them this... (btw, that's a fact across the entirety of the NFL.  No team has enough talent to win on talent alone.)

 

It’s pretty pathetic actually. They have good players but the effort isn’t there. They make the same mental mistakes over and over. How this team won 10 games is beyond me.

I guess the players approach is a reflection of the coaching approach. Fly by the seat of your pants and hope for the best. 

I've been as down on this team as anyone, even as they were winning, but an optimistic view from me...

AJ and Smith are not habitual fumblers nor do they drop the ball. The OL has always been able to run the ball well. The defense has been a hot mess but Slay, when in man coverage, seems to still be able to play a bit. There's a part of me that thinks this team really has been fortunate so far this season in terms of the ball bouncing their way and our best skill players, by pure chance, are just going through some bad beats and it's become contagious. On top of that, the team is clearly physically and mentally exhausted. This team is playing at its absolute floor in terms of potential.

I'd rather this have happened earlier in the season but who knows... maybe this team will reach equilibrium in terms of bad crap happening and they've turned the corner and start trending up come playoff time while DAL and SF is peaking with several weeks left in the regular season.

No, you're coaching like crap. You're playing like crap. The players on the team in certain positions just aren't good. You just aren't a good football team right now. Enough with the coach speak. This is a team playing it's worst football at a crucial part of the season. The NFL did them no favors with the schedule. However, anyone watching the Eagles all year has known this type of team could have been reality. 

Walk out to the podium. Tell us you aren't coaching well. Tell us the players need to be better. Hold them accountable. Hold your staff accountable. 

 

I wish I could be optimistic about this team. But they have only won maybe two games from start to finish. They look absolutely lost out there now. Coaching, players, if it hasn’t clicked by now it’s not going to.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

No, you're coaching like crap. You're playing like crap. The players on the team in certain positions just aren't good. You just aren't a good football team right now. Enough with the coach speak. This is a team playing it's worst football at a crucial part of the season. The NFL did them no favors with the schedule. However, anyone watching the Eagles all year has known this type of team could have been reality. 

Walk out to the podium. Tell us you aren't coaching well. Tell us the players need to be better. Hold them accountable. Hold your staff accountable. 

 

They haven’t held anyone accountable all year. Same story different week.

I can't help but wonder if the players are probably feeling the heavy criticism for the 1st time in quite a long time, both internally and externally.  It's not a comfortable feeling when it's all been good and you can make excuses. We still won, etc. The teams game awareness has been average to poor when the opponents have been good this season - being very harsh, the small things are not being done consistently and shows on tape with fumbles, etc.  The scheme may not be great, but you still need to execute and do your job.

Coaches. Have to better. Will be interesting to see what Sirianni does this as a reaction to 2 poor performances.

That said, last night maybe the last of tough regular games season gone now, so while there is a lot to get better on, this year, the NFL looks wide open. 

 

I think Hurts is facing a Lamar Jackson type of dynamic where we can fool the teams that haven't seen him, but when we play a familiar team it's not good enough.

That's where the coaching has fallen short and our inexperienced coordinators have failed.  It's as simple as that really.  

9 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

this team really has been fortunate

36 minutes ago, xxeaglesfanxx said:

Another beat down. This team has zero heart.

They have heart. They're just beat. 

I don’t know how anyone on here can feel confident in this team flying across the country to play in one of the best home field advantage stadiums in sports. 

We have the easiest last 4 games of any of the NFC contenders…on paper. But with the way this team is playing, would anyone be truly shocked if they go 2-2?

1 minute ago, judunno said:

They have heart. They're just beat. 

At least they’ll have a nice long vacation starting in 4 weeks. Then they get to listen to all the noise about how good they started and how they are the first team to start 10-1 and not make the playoffs.