6 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

People definitely learn defensive things under Belichick. Consider this. Why are position coaches able to become Defensive Coordinators? The answer naturally is that they learn things over time. But in the same vein, does that mean position coach input is useless? Of course not, right?

Similar situation here. Belichick DCs probably don't learn enough to be full-time defensive coordinators in other systems, but they probably learn more enough to help with things like scheme adjustments.

Knowing something and being able to apply it are two very different things.    

Evidence would indicate that whatever Patricia is bringing to the table... it is either not helping, or not being listened to (a little bit of both possibly).  But this defense is pretty much league worst when you consider all categories, and most importantly they are bad at some of the most important things... like 3rd down, red zone, etc.  

So, how much could Patricia actually be helping?

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Knowing something and being able to apply it are two very different things.    

Evidence would indicate that whatever Patricia is bringing to the table... it is either not helping, or not being listened to (a little bit of both possibly).  But this defense is pretty much league worst when you consider all categories, and most importantly they are bad at some of the most important things... like 3rd down, red zone, etc.  

So, how much could Patricia actually be helping?

No no, I was speaking from a general perspective. I was saying that they're probably not useless. I wasn't saying Patricia was an answer. Hell, it's possible that one knows something but both him AND Desai don't quite know how to implement it. Or maybe they feel they don't have enough time to install it even if they want to. There's just a lot of factors to this stuff, which is kind of what I mean. I agree with you that if he *is* involved input wise, he's clearly not helping enough. Maybe he's actually making things worse. Who knows.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Howie has his analytics people and I am sure they are breaking down the decisionmaking after every game.  We know they meet with Nick and the coaches and Lurie.  I can't imagine they are not critical of poor decisions. My guess is that some of his stubborness with the media is because he's getting pressured in these meetings.  He's probably had to defend every decision he made for hours before meeting the press.  

You may be right that he will persist and nothing will change but I then you're also right that he will be gone.  Lurie does not care about a Super Bowl appearance.  

Then he should make better decisions.   

@mattwill

Losing my religion...

Eagles 20

Seahawks 31

4 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Berman said he thinks Eagles could have an international game next season. Haven't had one in a while and have an extra home game.

My vote is for them doing the Germany game with Frank Reich as the OC.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

It's really unacceptable how bad they are. Coaching on that side of the ball has been horrendous. There is no excuse for them to be this bad.

This is monkeys in a room could type a novel type bad.  ANYONE can do better. Any human on Earth can do better calling our D than our Coaches.  This is F'd up.     

 

Yikes

Comes across as a little gullible

@mattwill

Eagles 24, SEA 17

Time for the Chickens to take a beating like Frank Stallone.  If you haven't seen this film ... put it on the list.

 

 

A health and safety issue?

But you can no arms tackle someone or hit them in the air, and it's all ok.

Good news, apparently tush push is not on the agenda to be banned. Also good news. Long overdue looking at the stupid touchback fumble rule. Hope they change it, it's bad for the game.

27 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Yikes

Comes across as a little gullible

i hope he isnt talking about Jalen not taking the correct read passes. & more so on targeting the big 3. either way this guy & nick sometimes are clueless. 

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Good news, apparently tush push is not on the agenda to be banned. Also good news. Long overdue looking at the stupid touchback fumble rule. Hope they change it, it's bad for the game.

that because we are on a losing steak. conspiracy theory time we went on this losing streak just to make sure the tush push doesnt get banned lol  

Everyone complains about the refs, but they make their job damn near impossible. Now they have a split second to analyze if a player was gripped and rotated properly on a tackle.

Please make it stop.

4 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Good news, apparently tush push is not on the agenda to be banned. Also good news. Long overdue looking at the stupid touchback fumble rule. Hope they change it, it's bad for the game.

No its not.   It's bad for the offensive team that fumbles.   Here's the answer.   Don't extend the ball to the goal line if you want to make sure you don't fumble it out the back.    There should be a negative to the extension of the ball near the goal line.   By having the out of bounds go to the defense is makes it a riskier play.   If there's no risk to it, ESPECIALLY along the sidelines, then players will be extending it even more than they already do.  How much easier do we need to make scoring for offenses?  

The original 'touch down' involved the player needing to possess the ball in the end zone in order to be able to actually 'touch the ball' to the ground of the end zone.  

You can't legislate violence out of football.

The easiest way to do it? Make the football field wider (not longer). An extra 2-3 feet on either side means that there are less collisions in tight spaces where the most dangerous plays are.

But the NFL is never doing that.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No its not.   It's bad for the offensive team that fumbles.   Here's the answer.   Don't extend the ball to the goal line if you want to make sure you don't fumble it out the back.    There should be a negative to the extension of the ball near the goal line.   By having the out of bounds go to the offense is makes it a riskier play.   If there's no risk to it, ESPECIALLY along the sidelines, then players will be extending it even more than they already do.  How much easier do we need to make scoring for offenses?  

The original 'touch down' involved the player needing to possess the ball in the end zone in order to be able to actually 'touch the ball' to the ground of the end zone.  

The negative is too extreme. Rewarding a team possession when they don't physically recover the ball is stupid. You want to get the ball? Recover it. They can be penalized without losing possession entirely. Players should always try to score especially when the rules say all the ball needs to do is cross the goal line. Move them back to the 10. Problem solved, everyone's happy.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Everyone complains about the refs, but they make their job damn near impossible. Now they have a split second to analyze if a player was gripped and rotated properly on a tackle.

Please make it stop.

That's one of my biggest gripes. We have frame by frame slow motion replay from multiple angles. The ref gets split second looks from each of their vantage points. Not only that but the players are playing at a speed that's faster every year. At some point, you've gotta just accept some of the dangers in the game. Are there 100% clear dangerous tackles from behind? Sure, but you can't just take that tackle out of the game. Defenders job is to get the ball carrier down and he's going to how he can.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

You can't legislate violence out of football.

The easiest way to do it? Make the football field wider (not longer). An extra 2-3 feet on either side means that there are less collisions in tight spaces where the most dangerous plays are.

But the NFL is never doing that.

Tackling from behind is dangerous. Notice how all these tackles are tackles from behind. Horse collar, hip drop. Running and having 250 lb people pulling you down from behind at any part of the body is going to be dangerous. And once they ban hip drop and guys start grabbing the shoulders or sides of the arms, the same injuries will happen.

18 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Also good news. Long overdue looking at the stupid touchback fumble rule. Hope they change it, it's bad for the game.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I think saying he'll be gone after next year is a bit premature. I realize things can change quickly and I think if nothing at all changes, yes he might be, but the problem is more the expectations Sirianni has than Sirianni himself. He's won early after another coach that's won early (Doug Pederson), but hasn't won the big game. This means that the expectations for his teams have been sky high, especially because of his winning percentage.

Or put differently, if his record was mediocre, he'd be facing a lot less criticism than he is right now.

In the NFL, for better or for worse, no one besides maybe the Browns and teams owned by Tepper want to be known as destinations where people aren't given chances. This sometimes means growing pains. It means double growing pains in situations where people are new to this as well. It took time for Sirianni to admit he was simply the problem and give up play-calling. 

One thing in the NFL I imagine they're looking at is, how much change can they reasonably install to fix something during the season. During the season they have a lot of gameplan work and team specific work but they say a lot of the important stuff is ultimately installed during the offseason. So they probably think about it like firing someone alone doesn't guarantee getting better, there has to be a plan to replace that person that can feasibly be executed during the season while ALSO dealing with opponents properly (otherwise you might sacrifice a game to an opponent because your focus was split).

So it's a lot more complicated than simply throwing guys out, unfortunately. Unless guys like Fangio himself are sitting around. Thanks a bunch, Gannon.

 

Doug won their first SB and was gone two years later. His record means nothing if he doesn't change when obvious changes need to be made. When players are texting D Gunn saying things need to get fixed he's already starting to lose the players IF he doesn't address those issues. So yeah he's got a good record but that's based on talent not his choices as we are seeing this year. Shane leaves and pretty much the same offensive roster struggles this much all season? I don't want to hear where they rank or other statistics. Last year they were blowing teams out. This year we have constantly been saying they need to get used to the new OC. No, Nick sucks at play design. That's the issue. Same damn team and he can't get them going the way Shane did. On the other side of the ball he picked the DC. He's watched the vanilla defense and he's watched them give up 3rd downs and nothing is being corrected there either. 

14 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Doug won their first SB and was gone two years later. His record means nothing if he doesn't change when obvious changes need to be made. When players are texting D Gunn saying things need to get fixed he's already starting to lose the players IF he doesn't address those issues. So yeah he's got a good record but that's based on talent not his choices as we are seeing this year. Shane leaves and pretty much the same offensive roster struggles this much all season? I don't want to hear where they rank or other statistics. Last year they were blowing teams out. This year we have constantly been saying they need to get used to the new OC. No, Nick sucks at play design. That's the issue. Same damn team and he can't get them going the way Shane did. On the other side of the ball he picked the DC. He's watched the vanilla defense and he's watched them give up 3rd downs and nothing is being corrected there either. 

The issues on offense aren't nearly as severe as you're asserting.  Saying 'players are texting D Gunn saying things need to get fixed' is mischaracterizing what's going on.  Gunn is looking for a story so he reaches out to certain players to ask what's going on with the offense.  Some of them (one, two?) have complained about the route tree in response.  This isn't a case where players are seeking out D Gunn as some sort of counsel, or running to the media.  Better they voice a concern with play design than start throwing their teammates under the bus, IMO.  They are 10-3 and are still the 6th highest scoring offense in the NFL.  They're supposed to beat up on teams under .500, so we'll see what happens when the quality of opponent dips down on Monday night.  They need to come out with more urgency to start fast and play with the lead.  17-20 points in the first half is what we should see against the Seahawks.  Hurts needs to play better; he needs to limit turnovers and make better decisions.  If he's physically unable to be the running threat he has been, they need to get Swift and Gainwell more consistently involved.

As far as the defense, they've lost a bunch of starters in the middle of the defense, and are getting older along the perimeter.  Both LB from last season are gone, both safeties from last season are gone, Slay and Bradberry are both over 30 and a year older than last year, Cox is older, Graham is older.  It's just not any better than a mid-tier defense, at best.  I know folks got excited about all of these Georgia players, but Davis and Carter are the only ones contributing at all, to this point.

There aren't any teams in the NFL who are unbeatable.  The Eagles should finish the season 14-3 (13-4 at worst), very likely win the division and be a #2 seed at worst.  Maybe SF will crap the bed like they did a few weeks ago.  

52 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Doug won their first SB and was gone two years later. His record means nothing if he doesn't change when obvious changes need to be made. When players are texting D Gunn saying things need to get fixed he's already starting to lose the players IF he doesn't address those issues. So yeah he's got a good record but that's based on talent not his choices as we are seeing this year. Shane leaves and pretty much the same offensive roster struggles this much all season? I don't want to hear where they rank or other statistics. Last year they were blowing teams out. This year we have constantly been saying they need to get used to the new OC. No, Nick sucks at play design. That's the issue. Same damn team and he can't get them going the way Shane did. On the other side of the ball he picked the DC. He's watched the vanilla defense and he's watched them give up 3rd downs and nothing is being corrected there either. 

Nah... Doug didn't stay in his lane so he got axe manned. 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

@mattwill

Eagles 24, SEA 17

Time for the Chickens to take a beating like Frank Stallone.  If you haven't seen this film ... put it on the list.

 

 

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"I don't hate them...I just feel better when they're not around.”

― Charles Bukowski, Barfly

Looking to get my 14 year old nephew some books about football to try to get him to start reading more. I grew up reading books like Instant Replay, Distant Replay, Paper Lion, Friday Night Lights, and all of the John Madden books and I might gift him some of my books. I tried looking up popular football books and it seems like every search just brings up books about how the game isn't safe, or how the game is evolving with money or some sort of negative hot take on the game. Where are the good books for young kids that love the game?