47 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Would much rather go get Wilson back.

Yup.  Al Harris is damaged goods.  He's been tainted. 

Dallas Cowboys in outdoor stadiums against teams that finish with more than 10 wins:



2023 Buffalo 10-31 L (decent shot at 11 wins)

2023 Philadelphia 23-28 L

2023 San Francisco 10-42 L

2022 Philadelphia 17-26 L

2022 Jacksonville 34-40 L

2022 San Francisco 12-19 L (playoff game)

2021 Tampa Bay 29-31 L

2021 Kansas City 9-19 L

2021 San Francisco 17-23 L (playoff game)

2020 Seattle 31-38 L

2020 Baltimore 17-34 L

2018 Rams 22-30 L (playoff game)

2016 Green Bay 31-34 L (playoff game)

2016 Giants 7-10 L

2016 Pittsburgh 35-30 W

 

7 years ago, Dak’s rookie year was the last win. Miami Currently has 10 wins

Eagles 27

Seahawks 24

Jake game-winning FG

@mattwill

1 hour ago, Parrot Head said:

Absolutely nobody has suggested that Patricia will step in and make this defense world beaters. The personnel isn’t good enough for that.

What is reasonable to expect is that he can make some incremental improvements, and put the players in position to make a few more stops per game…which could be significant.

We are dead LAST on 3rd down and like 30th in the red zone. Is it really that far fetched to think that a guy with his experience could make some improvement there?

If he can turn the third down and red zone defense to average from abysmal that’s huge. I don’t think anyone is expecting this to turn into a top five defense. But assuming the offense can get it together, an average defense is a massive improvement. 

 

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If Sirianni was the guy who hired Desai, Howie and Lurie might not ever let a HC hire a coordinator again. 

Not sure who made the decision to hire Desai but when by the time the Eagles lost Gannon, a lot of the top Defensive coaching talent was already scooped up.  

10 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Maybe I'm overrating their offensive players, but I think the Jags offense should be better than it has been this season. They just look meh every time I watch them play.

I mean Press Taylor is the OC. 

1 minute ago, Tman said:

Not sure who made the decision to hire Desai but when by the time the Eagles lost Gannon, a lot of the top Defensive coaching talent was already scooped up.  

On paper Desai wasn't a bad choice.  Certainly after the Miami game, people thought he was a good choice.  He just has gone downhill and is losing the locker room.  One of the big problems is the secondary and losing Dennard Wilson has been bad.  They should have kept him.  

Looks like another sloppy weather game. Oh joy.

33 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If Sirianni was the guy who hired Desai, Howie and Lurie might not ever let a HC hire a coordinator again. 

This was clearly a Howie/Lurie decision because the last 3 weeks were unacceptable on Defense.  Some type of a change had to be made.  I'm not saying it was the right decision but I understand.   I'm not a Patricia fan at all but he does have Championship DC Experience.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

On paper Desai wasn't a bad choice.  Certainly after the Miami game, people thought he was a good choice.  He just has gone downhill and is losing the locker room.  One of the big problems is the secondary and losing Dennard Wilson has been bad.  They should have kept him.  

The Eagles seemed like they were waiting to make a decision between Desai and Wilson. They went with Desai and Wilson was allowed to go somewhere else. I understand Wilson wanting to leave, and the FO had to have known if he didn’t get the job he was going somewhere else.

3 minutes ago, judunno said:

Looks like another sloppy weather game. Oh joy.

And will come out slinging it 

25 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Yup.  Al Harris is damaged goods.  He's been tainted. 

No - but my guess is he will be a potential candidate to go to Green Bay before we hire him.  

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

The Eagles seemed like they were waiting to make a decision between Desai and Wilson. They went with Desai and Wilson was allowed to go somewhere else. I understand Wilson wanting to leave, and the FO had to have known if he didn’t get the job he was going somewhere else.

They wanted Glenn Schumann

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

On paper Desai wasn't a bad choice.  Certainly after the Miami game, people thought he was a good choice.  He just has gone downhill and is losing the locker room.  One of the big problems is the secondary and losing Dennard Wilson has been bad.  They should have kept him.  

Losing dennard hurt. I don’t think anyone can question that especially with how the ravens secondary has looked. But also losing Epps and CJGJ hurt. They were a better tandem than Blankenship and edmunds/Evans/brown were the first half of the year. And after the trade, byard like solak and sheil pointed out is way slower this year as compared to previous years. Not just here but with titans. Then Blankenship as the backup was a luxury as he was arguably like having a third competent starter.

The proof is going to come with the Eagles have to face another top five offense. And that’s likely not coming until the playoffs in Dallas or San Francisco. They just faced three of the top 5 offenses in the league. So Patricia‘s defense getting maddox back in next couple weeks and the Giants twice and the Cardinals likely sees an improvement. But really this is gonna come down to when they run into SF and/or Dallas (more so in Dallas they aren’t same offense on the road) in the postseason and is your personnel along with change in coordinator good enough to slow those offenses down to allow offense to put up the points. 

Brian Johnson after the Desai news

 

8 minutes ago, Tman said:

Not sure who made the decision to hire Desai but when by the time the Eagles lost Gannon, a lot of the top Defensive coaching talent was already scooped up.  

This is true.... including Fangio, who is the guy they likely wanted as their top choice.   Seems that keeping it in house with Dennard Wilson would have been the more prudent move.   Wilson, while he had no true "Coordinator" experience, has more overall NFL coaching experience than Desai.  Desai dates back to only 2013 as an NFL Coach, and only back to 2019 where he's not been a Defensive QC Coach.   Wilson became an NFL coach in 2012, but moved up to DB coach in 2014... and has been passing game coordinator for 2 different DCs... and he knew the personnel here and was the passing game coordinator last year here.   Its not a huge jump from that to DC AND given his familiarity with the last system, the personnel, etc.  It likely would have been an easier transition.    

Water under the bridge now, of course.   Bringing him back next year is an option though.  

9 minutes ago, judunno said:

Looks like another sloppy weather game. Oh joy.

If the Eagles can make it to the SB they should request a rain system be installed in the LV dome for the game. They are well practiced and experienced in bad weather conditions.

3 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

The Eagles seemed like they were waiting to make a decision between Desai and Wilson. They went with Desai and Wilson was allowed to go somewhere else. I understand Wilson wanting to leave, and the FO had to have known if he didn’t get the job he was going somewhere else.

The Enquirer thinks Sirianni fired Wilson after what it described as 'an acrimonious meeting', and if that's the case he isn't coming back to work with Sirianni.

As far as Desai goes, I just think he's been dealt a pretty woeful hand coming off the two toughest games of the season, the secondary coaching clearly isn't what it was last year. I hugely doubt Desai's scheme calls for Bradberry to allow pretty much twice the passer rating against him this year than he did last and basically play like a Rookie UDFA who's been called up from the PS as emergency cover , and lets be honest no DC in the league is going to be calling to take Ricks, Jobe, Scott or Ringo off our hands to play corner for their defense at this stage of their development.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

Patricia worked for over a decade under one of the greatest defensive coaches of all time (Belichick). He at a minimum should be competent enough to avoid 7 touchdown drives in a row. Amazingly, that would be an improvement.

I sincerely hope you are right! 

Do you have a score prediction to go with all that optimism?

 

41 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Dallas Cowboys in outdoor stadiums against teams that finish with more than 10 wins:



2023 Buffalo 10-31 L (decent shot at 11 wins)

2023 Philadelphia 23-28 L

2023 San Francisco 10-42 L

2022 Philadelphia 17-26 L

2022 Jacksonville 34-40 L

2022 San Francisco 12-19 L (playoff game)

2021 Tampa Bay 29-31 L

2021 Kansas City 9-19 L

2021 San Francisco 17-23 L (playoff game)

2020 Seattle 31-38 L

2020 Baltimore 17-34 L

2018 Rams 22-30 L (playoff game)

2016 Green Bay 31-34 L (playoff game)

2016 Giants 7-10 L

2016 Pittsburgh 35-30 W

 

7 years ago, Dak’s rookie year was the last win. Miami Currently has 10 wins

Putrid 

I’m expecting tonight to be an unorganized disaster. Hope I’m wrong 

1 hour ago, mayanh8 said:

Yep. I'm cautiously optimistic. I still don't like the idea of a panic move but the defense quite literally can't get any worse.

Given that cautious optimism, do you want to venture forth a game score prediction?

33 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If he can turn the third down and red zone defense to average from abysmal that’s huge. I don’t think anyone is expecting this to turn into a top five defense. But assuming the offense can get it together, an average defense is a massive improvement. 

Would make a great story, sometimes a change is all that’s needed to revitalize a unit. Look at the Bills O since their change. I could see this working out well.

It's been asked repeatedly what Patricia can do to improve things and most of the people asking that seem to think that the answer is "nothing" (or at least, "Nothing of consequence").

 

Initially my thought was just having the defense be more effective on 3rd downs would be a massive improvement over what we've seen recently.  And having had a night to consider it, I think that the answer might actually be rather simple.   The front end of the defense and the back end of the defense have seemed very disjointed.   This team needs to play better 'complementary' football on the defensive side.  Right now we have a pass rush that's playing the game isolated from the back 7.  (Almost to a certain extent it reminds me a little of the Jim Washburn error.).  Our pass rush can only be effective when they have a chance to get home, and disrupt the QB.  BUT... the DBs are constantly playing way off in coverage.   That's a disaster.  This gives the QBs easy pitch and catch completions, and if they hit them in stride, now the DBs are chasing them at full speed through wide open zones.   I think the easiest fix is to change the alignments and keep the CBs up closer to the LOS... play more bump and run and get more physical with the WRs.   This will throw off timing routes and make the QB react more to where the WRs actually are in their routes than they have been.  Recently its been as easy as doing a quick pre-snap read, predetermining where to go with the ball... and getting it out before the DL really has a chance to get there.    That needs to be changed.  And while there's inherent risk for bigger plays if the DBs whiff on their assignment with the bump and run... there's also greater upside potential for the DL to do their job and disrupt the QB.  

Our current crop of DBs might also be much better playing physical and trying to disrupt routes than they would be at trying to mirror routes and staying in phase.  We'll see how this turns out tonight.