Just now, vikas83 said:

I agree, but with a massive qualifier. When the offense does set itself back, with a penalty or sack, you have to get off the field on 3rd and 7+. The Eagles inability to do that has wrecked the whole system. Last year, if we got a sack on 1st or 2nd down, it was generally game over. This year everyone converts 3rd and 9.

Agreed.   That's where the issue compounds on itself and turns it into the dumpster fire we watched over the last two weeks.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It's pretty much flawed from the beginning.   It is almost entirely predicated on the premise that if the offense has to sustain a 10+ play drive, inevitably, they will stop themselves by making a mistake they can't overcome (sack, penalty, dropped pass, misread, etc.).   The best offenses generally don't do that, and you need to do something TO them in order for them to fail to convert.   You can't just let them march down the field and wait for the mistake.   It won't come very often, and that's what we saw.   Against KC, they made some mistakes that they couldn't overcome.  Same with Buffalo.  They stopped themselves as much as the Eagles stopped them (but that's the design, so is it 'luck'?  I don't think so, but it plays a role.  You are playing the percentages with this style of defense.).   Then against the 49ers and Cowboys, they just have too many playmakers to expect that they will stop themselves.  You need to stop them, ESPECIALLY Dallas, in Dallas.   Dallas in Philly actually DID stop themselves by making the errors they did.  

It's flawed against better teams. It works against bad offenses and turnover prone offenses because they aren’t consistent or good enough to continue to methodically move the ball without making mistakes. It is essentially Gannon last year. It looks great against bad and mediocre teams and occasional a mediocre team plays above itself and hurts you. Then goes against better teams and it almost never works which was gannon’s biggest issue 

45 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That's rather ominous. Are they just trying to not say COVID?

Could be RSV.

 

Which would be even worse because that s*** can linger for weeks

3 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Interesting how Gannons AZ team isn’t running that scheme. 
 The Eagles injuries and not bringing back some players on Defense obviously has killed them, but at some point the offense needs to put up points and actually have a lead at halftime.   Missing players and all, having those leads last year early and forcing teams to pass really helped last years defense, especially someone like Hargrave who’s weakness against the run didn’t matter.  TBF, they played a lot of bad QB’s that threw interceptions like crazy  
 

Maybe he learned after getting his ass handed to him routinely against better offenses it doesn’t work against better offenses in the league. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying Sf has scored on like 6-7 drives on like 9 possessions against many defenses. Like the eagles aren’t alone in that. There’s a reason why they are the best offense in the league in most offensive categories. Your weaknesses are the exactly ways that offense wants to attack. I’d add with everyone healthy the niners have scored 30+ points in 9 of 11 games. They are averaging 32 ppg. Since the bye week they are averaging 35ppg. The niners are going to embarrass a lot of defenses 

See the follow-up.   The 49ers are going to embarrass a lot of defenses.    Add the Eagles to that long list.    Not 'championship' caliber at all... on either side of the ball.   The Browns held them to 17 points.   Part of that was that Samuel was out that game.   Part of that was the DL for the Browns wrecked the 49ers game plan pretty effectively.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying Sf has scored on like 6-7 drives on like 9 possessions against many defenses. Like the eagles aren’t alone in that. There’s a reason why they are the best offense in the league in most offensive categories. Your weaknesses are the exactly ways that offense wants to attack. I’d add with everyone healthy the niners have scored 30+ points in 9 of 11 games. They are averaging 32 ppg in those games. Since the bye week they are averaging 35ppg. The niners are going to embarrass a lot of defenses 

There are 3 things you have to try and attack on SF, and it all goes against the Desai system.

1. The offensive line is mediocre away from Williams. You have to overload the right side, run games, blitz, etc. You 100% have to dominate upfront and move the LOS. 

2. The quarterback - look, he was the last pick in the draft for a reason. Jimmy G looked similar with this talent last year and we see him in Las Vegas. You have to pressure him, knock him around and see if he wilts. 

3. The head coach. I know, I know - everyone has decided he's a genius. But Shanahan is a TERRIBLE gameday coach (28-3, no challenge on Devonta's catch, etc.). It can be exploited.

They are the favorite in the NFC, and rightfully so. But they can be beat with the right plan. I'd blitz the hell out of them - losing 42-10 is the same as losing 31-17 in the playoffs. Try and force Purdy into mistakes.

10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Mofo has a job just repeating what every blogger has said the last 24 hours

Ok, I've been wanting to ask a really really stupid question for quite some time.  

 

Outside of football\sports, whatever schmoopie wants to watch, jeopardy and a few adult cartoons like south park\Rick and Morty, I really don't watch TV.  I've never seen his show, but have seen twitters posted here with him in behind a mic wearing a wifebeater or sleeveless shirt.  What is his appeal?

Fangios best units had excellent LB play (Bowman-Willis, Roquan). Without great LBs, you're just vulnerable in the middle.

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

That's just an idiotic take for so many reasons, not the least of which is the massive cap hit for moving on from him after this year. Also, he has been playing well.

What did he say?

Just now, paco said:

What did he say?

That Slay played his last snap for the Eagles.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

See the follow-up.   The 49ers are going to embarrass a lot of defenses.    Add the Eagles to that long list.    Not 'championship' caliber at all... on either side of the ball.   The Browns held them to 17 points.   Part of that was that Samuel was out that game.   Part of that was the DL for the Browns wrecked the 49ers game plan pretty effectively.

I believe Samuel was out and Trent Williams. Can make the argument Williams and deebo are their 2nd and 3rd best player on those teams. 

that said Schwartz owns shanahan. Go look at his career numbers. Schwartz is 9-1 vs. shanahan in his career and the shanahan offenses are scoring 15.7 ppg and scored over 20 points once. So i think it’s a philosophy and the browns defense has much better personnel than the eagles. I’d argue browns defense has way better personnel then the eagles for the way the niners want to attack. 

@mattwill

I’m not sure I’ve ever gone into a game viewing with less of a gut feeling than today.  I have zero clue of what to expect.  So this is just some noodles thrown against the wall:

Eagles 26

Seattle 21

Eagles D scores a Safety

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

See the follow-up.   The 49ers are going to embarrass a lot of defenses.    Add the Eagles to that long list.    Not 'championship' caliber at all... on either side of the ball.   The Browns held them to 17 points.   Part of that was that Samuel was out that game.   Part of that was the DL for the Browns wrecked the 49ers game plan pretty effectively.

To beat SF, you're going to have to take risk. Which the Fangio/Desai system won't do. Hopefully Patricia will.

You can't wait for SF to beat themselves. You have to create turnover and take it to them.

Hurts status in serious doubt per Schefter.  Looking like Lock vs Mariota 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

That Slay played his last snap for the Eagles.

Because Slay is throwing a tantrum or because the "knee scope" was something more serious?

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

There are 3 things you have to try and attack on SF, and it all goes against the Desai system.

1. The offensive line is mediocre away from Williams. You have to overload the right side, run games, blitz, etc. You 100% have to dominate upfront and move the LOS. 

2. The quarterback - look, he was the last pick in the draft for a reason. Jimmy G looked similar with this talent last year and we see him in Las Vegas. You have to pressure him, knock him around and see if he wilts. 

3. The head coach. I know, I know - everyone has decided he's a genius. But Shanahan is a TERRIBLE gameday coach (28-3, no challenge on Devonta's catch, etc.). It can be exploited.

They are the favorite in the NFC, and rightfully so. But they can be beat with the right plan. I'd blitz the hell out of them - losing 42-10 is the same as losing 31-17 in the playoffs. Try and force Purdy into mistakes.

To your last point they sent 5+ rushers 11 times. Purdy completed 10 of those passes for 3 tds, 238 yards and 9.4 yards per completion. Problem was no one got home and our pass rush after the first quarter looked like they were running in quick sand 

Just now, paco said:

Because Slay is throwing a tantrum or because the "knee scope" was something more serious?

All of the above. Well, the tantrum and Slay getting the surgery is akin to quitting on the team.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

To beat SF, you're going to have to take risk. Which the Fangio/Desai system won't do. Hopefully Patricia will.

You can't wait for SF to beat themselves. You have to create turnover and take it to them.

Here’s my issue I’m guessing the eagles organizationally want to run the fangio defense. So you likely getting a version of it with Patricia in charge. It’s why i kept saying i think DC is only a part of the issue. Eagles need to change their vision on defense philosophically and then also get better personnel to matchup with a SF. 

3 minutes ago, paco said:

Ok, I've been wanting to ask a really really stupid question for quite some time.  

 

Outside of football\sports, whatever schmoopie wants to watch, jeopardy and a few adult cartoons like south park\Rick and Morty, I really don't watch TV.  I've never seen his show, but have seen twitters posted here with him in behind a mic wearing a wifebeater or sleeveless shirt.  What is his appeal?

He's charismatic and knows how to talk. Don't ask what the appeal of AJ Hawk is though, because man, he's boring and just sits there staring off into space.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To your last point they sent 5+ rushers 11 times. Purdy completed 10 of those passes for 3 tds, 238 yards and 9.4 yards per completion. Problem was no one got home and our pass rush after the first quarter looked like they were running in quick sand 

Rest disadvantage, and they played 95 snaps against Buffalo. In the first quarter, they got home and then their legs died.

Just now, GoEagles5921 said:

Hurts status in serious doubt per Schefter.  Looking like Lock vs Mariota 

I picked up Mariota yesterday in my family league just in case Hurts doesn't play.

 

Not because I have any intention of playing him.  But I'm the #2 seed and play the winner of #3-#6.  And #3's QBs are Hurts and Stroud.  (I know he could pick up Lock, but that would be a less obvious move and hoping that if Hurts is out and he knows I have Mariota, he just say's F it)

Hurts clearly has Covid that they’re keeping under wraps. At what point do you just keep him away from the team so he doesn’t get the rest of the guys sick? 

The one time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, their defensive coordinator was a former Lions' head coach that was fired.

Just sayin...

4 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Hurts status in serious doubt per Schefter.  Looking like Lock vs Mariota 

Did that come from what he said on McAfee show or a tweet?

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

The one time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, their defensive coordinator was a former Lions' head coach that was fired.

Just sayin...

Doesn't help the one time the Eagles won the Super Bowl was against their current defensive coordinator who was a former Lions head coach that was fired.