when you have no counter-point -> deflect.

 

7 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Right and Obama's criticism of police emboldened the man who committed the BLM attack in Texas that killed 5 officers and injured 9 others. While I think it'd be foolish to tie that egregious act of violence fueled, at least in large part, by anti-police attitudes to the behaviors of Obama, it's also reasonable to discuss in connection with these acts the effect Obama's ascendancy may have had on anti-police sentiment and the empowerment of anti-police worldviews.

It's reasonable to discuss it, but I think a rational examination of the Obama-police dynamic and that of Trump and white nationalism isn't going to reveal what you think it does.

Just contrast Obama's response to such criticism here with Trump's "very fine people" comments during/after Charlottesville: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-obama/obama-responds-to-critics-in-conversation-on-race-and-police-idUSKCN0ZV014

By contrast, Obama immediately and repeatedly condemned acts of violence against police. In the immediate aftermath of the Dallas shooting this was the reporting: https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/politics/obama-dallas-police-shootings/index.html

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President Barack Obama said Friday that the nation was "horrified" after what he called "a vicious, calculated and despicable attack on law enforcement" in Dallas.

The White House announced Friday evening that the President would cut short his European trip by one day and visit Dallas early next week.

It was the second somber statement about shootings on American soil the President made from Europe in less than 12 hours. He condemned the recent shootings by police of black men in Minnesota and Louisiana shortly after arriving in Europe and made a broad diagnosis of American racial imbalance. Hours later, after chaos erupted in Dallas and five police officers were killed in sniper shootings that began during protests stemming from the Minnesota and Louisiana shootings, he promised justice.

"There is no possible justification for these kinds of attacks or any violence against law enforcement," Obama said, speaking from the NATO summit in Poland that he is attending. "Anyone involved in the senseless murders will be held fully accountable. Justice will be done."

Obama also ordered flags lowered to half staff at the White House and on public buildings and grounds.

 

Obama certainly wasn't perfect. But trying to make the case that his statements about police officers and race relations are somehow in any way equivalent to Trump's continual need to wink and nod to racists in this nation, especially in the first couple years of his presidency, is spurious at best.

6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Obama certainly wasn't perfect. But trying to make the case that his statements about police officers and race relations are somehow in any way equivalent to Trump's continual need to wink and nod to racists in this nation, especially in the first couple years of his presidency, is spurious at best.

Oh certainly. Obama certainly condemned the attacks afterward, but one could argue that the damage was already done. Look at the rioting that occurred in major cities everywhere under his watch. All undoubtedly fueled by his rhetoric. Ferguson burned and looted. Baltimore reduced to rubble. Now obviously you can't attribute those actions directly to Obama, but it's obvious his constant winks and nods to these extremists certainly emboldened and enabled them.

27 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

when you have no counter-point -> deflect.

When you have no cognitive abilities -> contribute nothing.

1 minute ago, Kz! said:

 

When you have no cognitive abilities -> contribute nothing.

at least you admit this about yourself finally.

17 hours ago, Ride the Walrus said:

Charged? They should be given the death penalty. Just disgusting.

president biden is on it:

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The video is clear: Ahmaud Arbery was killed in cold blood. My heart goes out to his family, who deserve justice and deserve it now. It is time for a swift, full, and transparent investigation into his murder. https://t.co/alvY5WjdHx

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) May 6, 2020

 

Biden would be a good President because he understands the difference between right and wrong.  You can’t enforce the nation’s laws if you can’t see the difference (i.e. Trump)

17 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

Since you have tied the murderous behavior of these racist animals to trump, how exactly is he responsible for their actions? 

I’ll let you know when he pardons them.

57 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

It's reasonable to discuss it, but I think a rational examination of the Obama-police dynamic and that of Trump and white nationalism isn't going to reveal what you think it does.

Just contrast Obama's response to such criticism here with Trump's "very fine people" comments during/after Charlottesville: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-obama/obama-responds-to-critics-in-conversation-on-race-and-police-idUSKCN0ZV014

By contrast, Obama immediately and repeatedly condemned acts of violence against police. In the immediate aftermath of the Dallas shooting this was the reporting: https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/politics/obama-dallas-police-shootings/index.html

 

Obama certainly wasn't perfect. But trying to make the case that his statements about police officers and race relations are somehow in any way equivalent to Trump's continual need to wink and nod to racists in this nation, especially in the first couple years of his presidency, is spurious at best.

What a joke

You have continual winks and nods that are literally made up.  Obama divided the country just as much, you just didnt give a ish about it and the media wasn't pounding it into your brain

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Obama divided the country just as much

By being black and by winning the election.

52 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Oh certainly. Obama certainly condemned the attacks afterward, but one could argue that the damage was already done. Look at the rioting that occurred in major cities everywhere under his watch. All undoubtedly fueled by his rhetoric. Ferguson burned and looted. Baltimore reduced to rubble. Now obviously you can't attribute those actions directly to Obama, but it's obvious his constant winks and nods to these extremists certainly emboldened and enabled them.

When you have no cognitive abilities -> contribute nothing.

But did Obama wink and nod?

 

Remember how those white people marched with the tiki torches?  That was directly Trumps fault

But people burning down cities and lunatics running around shooting whities has nothing to do with Obama because he acted real sad that one time and he is so cool and danced on Ellen

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

By being black and by winning the election.

Yeah thats definitely it for sure.  That was before Trump made the country racist.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

What a joke

You have continual winks and nods that are literally made up.  Obama divided the country just as much, you just didnt give a ish about it and the media wasn't pounding it into your brain

No snowflake feels responsible for an avalanche

7 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

But did Obama wink and nod?

 

Remember how those white people marched with the tiki torches?  That was directly Trumps fault

But people burning down cities and lunatics running around shooting whities has nothing to do with Obama because he acted real sad that one time and he is so cool and danced on Ellen

Yeah thats definitely it for sure.  That was before Trump made the country racist.

Oh don’t get me wrong. Trump did not make this country racist. It’s always been racist. However for a while there it was socially unacceptable to be openly racist. Trump merely took those social norms away and made it acceptable to be openly racist again. The president leads by example. When the president is openly racist, his followers...excuse me...cult members...feel emboldened to no longer try to hide their racism.

Trump ran against some very good candidates for the gop primary in 2016. What separated him was his open unabashed racism. It made him very appealing to the many racists and xenophobes in your party. They are willing to look past his womanizing and dementia, even his cowardly policy of surrender abroad. For them, its a small price to pay to keep people of color down.

I hope that clears things up for you. You’re welcome as always. 

11 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Oh don’t get me wrong. Trump did not make this country racist. It’s always been racist. However for a while there it was socially unacceptable to be openly racist. Trump merely took those social norms away and made it acceptable to be openly racist again. The president leads by example. When the president is openly racist, his followers...excuse me...cult members...feel emboldened to no longer try to hide their racism.

Trump ran against some very good candidates for the gop primary in 2016. What separated him was his open unabashed racism. It made him very appealing to the many racists and xenophobes in your party. They are willing to look past his womanizing and dementia, even his cowardly policy of surrender abroad. For them, its a small price to pay to keep people of color down.

I hope that clears things up for you. You’re welcome as always. 

Can anyone disagree with the fact that racists love Trump even if Trump isn't racist himself?

That's just not a good look.

14 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Oh don’t get me wrong. Trump did not make this country racist. It’s always been racist. However for a while there it was socially unacceptable to be openly racist. Trump merely took those social norms away and made it acceptable to be openly racist again. The president leads by example. When the president is openly racist, his followers...excuse me...cult members...feel emboldened to no longer try to hide their racism.

Trump ran against some very good candidates for the gop primary in 2016. What separated him was his open unabashed racism. It made him very appealing to the many racists and xenophobes in your party. They are willing to look past his womanizing and dementia, even his cowardly policy of surrender abroad. For them, its a small price to pay to keep people of color down.

I hope that clears things up for you. You’re welcome as always. 

Trump is a rascist xenophobe! And he's misogynistic and sexist!  Great post. You lost points by not mentioning his islamaphobia and transphobia, but other than that you crammed a very fine amount of liberal buzzwords into this post! 

Your libertarianism is intensifying. 

  

40 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Oh don’t get me wrong. Trump did not make this country racist. It’s always been racist. However for a while there it was socially unacceptable to be openly racist. Trump merely took those social norms away and made it acceptable to be openly racist again. The president leads by example. When the president is openly racist, his followers...excuse me...cult members...feel emboldened to no longer try to hide their racism.

Trump ran against some very good candidates for the gop primary in 2016. What separated him was his open unabashed racism. It made him very appealing to the many racists and xenophobes in your party. They are willing to look past his womanizing and dementia, even his cowardly policy of surrender abroad. For them, its a small price to pay to keep people of color down.

I hope that clears things up for you. You’re welcome as always. 

Openly racist how exactly?

 

And I tell you, for as many times that youve repeated the "surrender abroad" line, Im wondering where we're going to see any evidence of that

Maybe youre made because he hasnt been surrending to China like you wanted

https://time.com/5832017/hostage-afghanistan-peace-deal/

 

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The American Hostages Left Behind for Trump's Taliban Peace Deal

As the U.S. was nearing an accord with the Taliban, the militant group’s hardline Haqqani faction kidnapped American contractor and Navy veteran Mark Frerichs in Afghanistan on Jan. 31. The Trump Administration, which was aware he was missing, went ahead and signed the Feb. 29 peace deal anyway. It provided for a Taliban ceasefire against U.S. forces in return for their eventual withdrawal, but made no specific mention of hostages, nor did it specify any protection for American contractors, current and former U.S. officials tell TIME.

 

 

11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Openly racist how exactly?

 

And I tell you, for as many times that youve repeated the "surrender abroad" line, Im wondering where we're going to see any evidence of that

Maybe youre made because he hasnt been surrending to China like you wanted

For one, it’s nearly impossible to get a group of trump supporters together without a flag or shirt with a swastika on it being present.

7 minutes ago, hey suess said:

For one, it’s nearly impossible to get a group of trump supporters together without a flag or shirt with a swastika on it being present.

They're all literally NSDAPs, bro. Racist, transphobic, xenophobic NSDAPs. 

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

What a joke

You have continual winks and nods that are literally made up.  Obama divided the country just as much, you just didnt give a ish about it and the media wasn't pounding it into your brain

Obama: We need to put the spotlight on police brutality and the institutional racism that has existed for decades in this country.

Mike3mt: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IM GUNNA TAKE MUH COUNTRY BACK

56 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Trump is a rascist xenophobe! And he's misogynistic and sexist!  Great post. You lost points by not mentioning his islamaphobia and transphobia, but other than that you crammed a very fine amount of liberal buzzwords into this post! 

Your libertarianism is intensifying. 

  

Wait wait wait... did you just say racism, xenophobia, and sexism are all liberal terms? Do you realize what you just unwittingly admitted?

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Your libertarianism is intensifying. 

  

Treating people equally and enforcing their constitutional rights regardless of race, religion, or sexual orientation is the primary principle of libertarianism and liberty itself. So yes, you are correct.

8 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Wait wait wait... did you just say racism, xenophobia, and sexism are all liberal terms? Do you realize what you just unwittingly admitted?

That libs are all ism-whining ****?

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

Treating people equally and enforcing their constitutional rights regardless of race, religion, or sexual orientation is the primary principle of libertarianism and liberty itself. So yes, you are correct.

Wow, so noble of you. I hope she sees this, bro.

hmm...i guess kz gets owned on the new board too. 

 

kzowned!!!  

29 minutes ago, Kz! said:

They're all literally NSDAPs, bro. Racist, transphobic, xenophobic NSDAPs. 

Not literally all. Just mostly.