20 hours ago, opa-opa said:

No one would be asking for Nicks head if we didnt overachieve and got lucky to get to 10-1. 

If we started 7-4 for example and ended up 11-6 people would be singing his praises.

Yep. Grown ass men being overly emotional - and this is coming from someone who isn't exactly the icon of being stoic.

23 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

That's who ive got my eye on. He had a great defense as well. Not sure if he played a role in selection of personnel but he has a football mind. 

Didnt he also lose the locker room in SF which lead to his firing?

So let me get this straight. The desired pick-up is a guy who has a history of being a known hothead, to a point where NFL teams didn't really want him despite his good football mind, and where his players grew to dislike him relatively quickly? Don't get me wrong, I believe in second chances, and it's not like I necessarily think he'll be bad, but from a logic perspective and based on what we've been asking for over the years since Kelly (having a coach who can understand players well too), this feels kind of counterintuitive.

20 hours ago, opa-opa said:

No one would be asking for Nicks head if we didnt overachieve and got lucky to get to 10-1. 

If we started 7-4 for example and ended up 11-6 people would be singing his praises.

Correct they would be calling for his head if all was well now and we don’t make the nfc championship 

5 hours ago, Gannan said:

Hurts made just enough plays. This guys is one of the worst head coaches we've ever had, and that's really saying something. 

He's the first coach since Kotite that made me truly hate Eagles football. 

There hasn't been a single game this season where he's had the team prepared, so I'm not quite sure what he's doing spending his nights at Novacare unless he's avoiding family. 

1 minute ago, Birdman said:

He's the first coach since Kotite that made me truly hate Eagles football. 

There hasn't been a single game this season where he's had the team prepared, so I'm not quite sure what he's doing spending his nights at Novacare unless he's avoiding family. 

I was thinking the same thing. We run the same plays regardless of who our opponent is, with no deviation or adjustments. Not sure what he does all day. 

On 12/31/2023 at 2:19 PM, NOTW said:

 

 

If she hasn't licensed this and turned it into tee shirts and memes by now she's crazy. 

1 hour ago, kiwinavega said:

OK, I'll bite here. For his first two years, he showed resolve and character and skill. He took what is a very high profile job, with relatively low experience, and showed that with the right people around him he can put the team in a place to succeed. He got Jalen Hurts playing to an elite level. He got the most out of the players he had. He made the playoffs his first year, the SB in year two. He got a struggling team to a position where, until last week, they were fighting for the one seed. He did this with a backdrop of losing his two most important staff. A leader needs lieutenants he can trust and lean on.

I am not excusing the recent implosion, far from it. I said a few weeks ago that a team in the NFL cannot reach 10-1 on luck alone. You get there because you deserve it and you earn it. At the present time, I am also going to say the obverse is true. You don't slump like the Eagles have unless you deserve to, and have earned it. He needs to improve. He neds better co-ordinators and he needs to make better decisions and show stronger leadership. To use a favourite phrase of TATE - this offseason is the REAL test. And I believe that. He's shown enough over almost three seasons that the potential is there. Now he has to prove it.

When you zoom out, his career record is 36-17, with 3 playoff appearances (and at least one more ahead) and a trip to the Super Bowl less than a year ago. Let's take the broad view and put away the pitchforks until after the season. 

The superbowl appearance is going to become more and more meaningless over time. He beat Daniel Jones and a team with no QB to get there, and was horribly out-coached in the Super Bowl. I get that they won't fire him because he's their boy and he's 36-17, but we are only delaying the inevitable. He's not a good coach. He never has been. The offense was never innovative. He's never been a chessmaster like Reid or Bellachick coming up with new game plans every week to exploit the weaknesses of his opponents. He's been running a simple read option system which was working because he had the best running QB in football and we were playing a lot of bad teams. Over time, the QB has been banged up, the level of talent on the other side of the field has gotten better, and he's lost his top assistants. He's been exposed. What's worse is the top stars on this team seem to be turning on him. He's isn't going to win a Super Bowl next year or any year. So we are just waiting for the inevitable. 

1 hour ago, Hawkeye said:

When you zoom out, his career record is 36-17, with 3 playoff appearances (and at least one more ahead) and a trip to the Super Bowl less than a year ago. Let's take the broad view and put away the pitchforks until after the season. 

Nah, I LIKE pitch forks.

5 hours ago, Gannan said:

The superbowl appearance is going to become more and more meaningless over time. He beat Daniel Jones and a team with no QB to get there, and was horribly out-coached in the Super Bowl. I get that they won't fire him because he's their boy and he's 36-17, but we are only delaying the inevitable. He's not a good coach. He never has been. The offense was never innovative. He's never been a chessmaster like Reid or Bellachick coming up with new game plans every week to exploit the weaknesses of his opponents. He's been running a simple read option system which was working because he had the best running QB in football and we were playing a lot of bad teams. Over time, the QB has been banged up, the level of talent on the other side of the field has gotten better, and he's lost his top assistants. He's been exposed. What's worse is the top stars on this team seem to be turning on him. He's isn't going to win a Super Bowl next year or any year. So we are just waiting for the inevitable. 

This post is a great example of what I was saying by Eagles fans are way up in their feelings. 

Outcoached in the Super Bowl? First of all, he doesn't coach the defense. So how exactly was he outcoached? Second of all, even if he was, which he wasn't, we're talking about probably the second best coach of the generation, of which many would argue is the best coach of the generation due to everyone slapping Belichick once Brady left. His offense played very well in the Super Bowl, but Gannon did his best 2023 Eagles defense impression 10 months into the future.

Best running QB in football? How, and in what way? The most impressive thing about Jalen last season was how he was throwing the football around. And more importantly, Lamar Jackson exists, as the Ravens are continuing to show.

Most coaches who aren't the curve CREATORS struggle when they lose their first pick assistants. You'll notice the ones that don't have this phase mostly have small coaching trees. Reid struggled for a time when he lost his top assistants. The main two you could say haven't are McVay and Shanahan. 

Could he be better as an X's and O's guy? Yes. Do I think that's an issue that needs work? Yes. Do I think that requires firing him immediately? No, especially because of how it makes the Eagles look like as an organization. I would rather not have people think that when coming here, they have to deal with:

• An organization where you can have the top winning percentage of active NFL coaches but still get fired.
• The above, but a year after a Super Bowl birth.
• Both of the above, while making the playoffs every year of your tenure.
• A fanbase who supported all of the above.
• Big city media, not New York but not too far from that.
• Bringing their family to a place in large part perceived for its crime rate (unfairly perhaps, but true) - so it might make their family pretty uncomfortable.

If the goal is to get a coach actually worth their salt, and someone we KNOW is worth their salt, why exactly would they come to Philadelphia given the above circumstances when they could go somewhere the expectations make sense for both them and their family? I would rather not make our organization look like a bad destination for top coaching talent if possible. If you could GUARANTEE you could hire a top coaching talent, then maybe I'd be okay with that. If not, we're just setting ourselves up to be turned down by any coaches with known talent.

46 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

This post is a great example of what I was saying by Eagles fans are way up in their feelings. 

Outcoached in the Super Bowl? First of all, he doesn't coach the defense. So how exactly was he outcoached? Second of all, even if he was, which he wasn't, we're talking about probably the second best coach of the generation, of which many would argue is the best coach of the generation due to everyone slapping Belichick once Brady left. His offense played very well in the Super Bowl, but Gannon did his best 2023 Eagles defense impression 10 months into the future.

Best running QB in football? How, and in what way? The most impressive thing about Jalen last season was how he was throwing the football around. And more importantly, Lamar Jackson exists, as the Ravens are continuing to show.

Most coaches who aren't the curve CREATORS struggle when they lose their first pick assistants. You'll notice the ones that don't have this phase mostly have small coaching trees. Reid struggled for a time when he lost his top assistants. The main two you could say haven't are McVay and Shanahan. 

Could he be better as an X's and O's guy? Yes. Do I think that's an issue that needs work? Yes. Do I think that requires firing him immediately? No, especially because of how it makes the Eagles look like as an organization. I would rather not have people think that when coming here, they have to deal with:

• An organization where you can have the top winning percentage of active NFL coaches but still get fired.
• The above, but a year after a Super Bowl birth.
• Both of the above, while making the playoffs every year of your tenure.
• A fanbase who supported all of the above.
• Big city media, not New York but not too far from that.
• Bringing their family to a place in large part perceived for its crime rate (unfairly perhaps, but true) - so it might make their family pretty uncomfortable.

If the goal is to get a coach actually worth their salt, and someone we KNOW is worth their salt, why exactly would they come to Philadelphia given the above circumstances when they could go somewhere the expectations make sense for both them and their family? I would rather not make our organization look like a bad destination for top coaching talent if possible. If you could GUARANTEE you could hire a top coaching talent, then maybe I'd be okay with that. If not, we're just setting ourselves up to be turned down by any coaches with known talent.

 All of that is awesome, but the fact remains this collapse is historic, the last team that started 10-1, and lost 4 of their next 5 and lost the division was the 1986 Jets.        

 There were 2 key 4th downs in the SB, Nick kicked a FG on 1, which gave the ball back to KC, and they scored a TD on 9 plays.  Then 4th and 3, on the Eagles 33, Nick punts, KC returns it 65 yards, 3 plays later, another TD for KC.   FF to the Buffalo game this year when Elliot kicks a 59 yd FG, did Hurts or Kelce seem thrilled?  Nope.  FF to Sunday, against Gannon, somehow he knows you'll settle for FG, so he sends his kicker out for an onsides kick, the rest is history.  

 In the 2022 Regular Season Nick did his best Dougie P impersonation by going for 4th and whatever, he shows trust in his offense until the SB, when it mattered most.   Are there guys on offense still pissed?  Has that rolled downhill like a snowball picking up more crap along the way?  We have no idea, maybe they just suck right now, that's on Lurie and Howie to figure out. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, The Blackfish said:

 All of that is awesome, but the fact remains this collapse is historic, the last team that started 10-1, and lost 4 of their next 5 and lost the division was the 1986 Jets.        

 There were 2 key 4th downs in the SB, Nick kicked a FG on 1, which gave the ball back to KC, and they scored a TD on 9 plays.  Then 4th and 3, on the Eagles 33, Nick punts, KC returns it 65 yards, 3 plays later, another TD for KC.   FF to the Buffalo game this year when Elliot kicks a 59 yd FG, did Hurts or Kelce seem thrilled?  Nope.  FF to Sunday, against Gannon, somehow he knows you'll settle for FG, so he sends his kicker out for an onsides kick, the rest is history.  

 In the 2022 Regular Season Nick did his best Dougie P impersonation by going for 4th and whatever, he shows trust in his offense until the SB, when it mattered most.   Are there guys on offense still pissed?  Has that rolled downhill like a snowball picking up more crap along the way?  We have no idea, maybe they just suck right now, that's on Lurie and Howie to figure out. 

 

 

 

What Gannon knew on Sunday was that our defense couldn't even slow his team down, they'd have let us run in a TD if we'd made it to the red zone and backed his offense to score a TD and 2 point conversion, because our defense was that bad, it didn't matter to Gannon what our offense did in that final sequence.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

What Gannon knew on Sunday was that our defense couldn't even slow his team down, they'd have let us run in a TD if we'd made it to the red zone and backed his offense to score a TD and 2 point conversion, because our defense was that bad, it didn't matter to Gannon what our offense did in that final sequence.

What our offense needed to do in that sequence was control the ball, take plenty of time off the clock and score a TD. Not easy in theory but against a bad defense that’s what they needed to do and should have done. 

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

What Gannon knew on Sunday was that our defense couldn't even slow his team down, they'd have let us run in a TD if we'd made it to the red zone and backed his offense to score a TD and 2 point conversion, because our defense was that bad, it didn't matter to Gannon what our offense did in that final sequence.

And what makes it worse it that almost ANY team, no matter how bad they are, seem to be able to score at will, when they need to. If you look back at all the games this season, especially the washington games etc it happened all the time. Its like the defence goes ultra soft, pulls their pants down and gets Fed in the ass

 

14 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

And what makes it worse it that almost ANY team, no matter how bad they are, seem to be able to score at will, when they need to. If you look back at all the games this season, especially the washington games etc it happened all the time. Its like the defence goes ultra soft, pulls their pants down and gets Fed in the ass

 

I think it’s the team though. Whilst they did come back in some games I think this team struggles to find a way late in games. We’ve seen the defense come up short in big spots late in games but the offense has too. Final drives that end in INTs or don’t get what we need. Chances to run the clock out but they go 3 and out. Despite the adversity this team has overcome I don’t think they know how to close out really tight games. Which is crazy as they have done it but they have lost that.

On 1/1/2024 at 12:55 PM, Gannan said:

They fired a coach who actually won the super bowl, so I don't see why not. 

I don't expect it but as noted in a thread I started ESPN Radio's national morning show (Unsportsmanlike with Evan Cohen, Chris Canty and Michelle Smallmon) the Eagles exit early, they seem to think that Siranni could be replaced by Bill Belichek. 

Belichick would be a disaster. Keep that man away from our team.

I think we might be getting ahead of ourselves a little, too. We have sucked lately, no doubt, but I just took a look at the schedule. Dallas are 3-5 on the road, and are playing in Washington on Sunday. I know WAS are not a very good team, but they played us hard twice. Throw in a bit of weather, and we might just see a surprise. If that happens and the Eagles win, they would be the first team to win the NFC East in back to back games in 20 years. If that happens, then I think it should change our perspective a little...

5 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

 All of that is awesome, but the fact remains this collapse is historic, the last team that started 10-1, and lost 4 of their next 5 and lost the division was the 1986 Jets.        

 There were 2 key 4th downs in the SB, Nick kicked a FG on 1, which gave the ball back to KC, and they scored a TD on 9 plays.  Then 4th and 3, on the Eagles 33, Nick punts, KC returns it 65 yards, 3 plays later, another TD for KC.   FF to the Buffalo game this year when Elliot kicks a 59 yd FG, did Hurts or Kelce seem thrilled?  Nope.  FF to Sunday, against Gannon, somehow he knows you'll settle for FG, so he sends his kicker out for an onsides kick, the rest is history.  

 In the 2022 Regular Season Nick did his best Dougie P impersonation by going for 4th and whatever, he shows trust in his offense until the SB, when it mattered most.   Are there guys on offense still pissed?  Has that rolled downhill like a snowball picking up more crap along the way?  We have no idea, maybe they just suck right now, that's on Lurie and Howie to figure out. 

That Jets team in 1986 won a playoff game at home against the Chiefs and then six days later took the (original) Browns to double overtime in a Divisional Playoff game on January 3, 1987 that was known as "marathon by the lake."  That game against the Browns in my opinion was part of the reason "The Drive" (Elway's famed touchdown drive for the Broncos in the AFC Championship Game January 11, 1987) happened as the Browns defense was gassed and feeling the ripple effects of the double OT game a week earlier. 

philly media is the worst did they learn anything from keeping chip and andy? all of our talent either left or got released because of that, we were picking at the top of the draft. if the talent isnt happy with the coaches fire them, dont become the detroit lions and let talent leave over coaches.

10 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

This post is a great example of what I was saying by Eagles fans are way up in their feelings. 

Outcoached in the Super Bowl? First of all, he doesn't coach the defense. So how exactly was he outcoached?

He did what he always does... refused to run the ball. The key to beat Mahomes is to run the ball, grind the tempo of the game down, and keep Mahomes off the field. Football basics. 

Even Reid ran the ball in that game. It's why he won. 

3 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

I don't expect it but as noted in a thread I started ESPN Radio's national morning show (Unsportsmanlike with Evan Cohen, Chris Canty and Michelle Smallmon) the Eagles exit early, they seem to think that Siranni could be replaced by Bill Belichek. 

Would never happen. Jeffrey and Howie want a puppet they can control. 

3 hours ago, kiwinavega said:

Belichick would be a disaster. Keep that man away from our team.

I think we might be getting ahead of ourselves a little, too. We have sucked lately, no doubt, but I just took a look at the schedule. Dallas are 3-5 on the road, and are playing in Washington on Sunday. I know WAS are not a very good team, but they played us hard twice. Throw in a bit of weather, and we might just see a surprise. If that happens and the Eagles win, they would be the first team to win the NFC East in back to back games in 20 years. If that happens, then I think it should change our perspective a little...

We aren't going to win another game this season regardless of who we play. The players have flat out quit, the offense will continue to run QB draws and bubble screens that the rest of the league has long since figured out. They're cooked. 

17 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

When you zoom out, his career record is 36-17, with 3 playoff appearances (and at least one more ahead) and a trip to the Super Bowl less than a year ago. Let's take the broad view and put away the pitchforks until after the season. 

I've given Nick the benefit of the doubt and assumed positive intent in getting things straightened out this year. 

However, not a goddamn thing has changed other than Desai's pointless demotion and all the talk about cleaning things up since week 1 have been lip service. 

The longer he's here, the more damage is done to coach-player relationship. I wouldn't be shocked in the least if AJ demands a trade in the offseason. 

19 hours ago, kiwinavega said:

OK, I'll bite here. For his first two years, he showed resolve and character and skill. He took what is a very high profile job, with relatively low experience, and showed that with the right people around him he can put the team in a place to succeed. He got Jalen Hurts playing to an elite level. He got the most out of the players he had. He made the playoffs his first year, the SB in year two. He got a struggling team to a position where, until last week, they were fighting for the one seed. He did this with a backdrop of losing his two most important staff. A leader needs lieutenants he can trust and lean on.

I am not excusing the recent implosion, far from it. I said a few weeks ago that a team in the NFL cannot reach 10-1 on luck alone. You get there because you deserve it and you earn it. At the present time, I am also going to say the obverse is true. You don't slump like the Eagles have unless you deserve to, and have earned it. He needs to improve. He neds better co-ordinators and he needs to make better decisions and show stronger leadership. To use a favourite phrase of TATE - this offseason is the REAL test. And I believe that. He's shown enough over almost three seasons that the potential is there. Now he has to prove it.

This team has been a constant mess since week one. If he was such a great coach with awareness why didn't he right this ship by end of semptember or october. The fact that he didn't demonstrates to me he is a poor decision make with poor leadership skills when things are not going well. 

2 hours ago, Birdman said:

I've given Nick the benefit of the doubt and assumed positive intent in getting things straightened out this year. 

However, not a goddamn thing has changed other than Desai's pointless demotion and all the talk about cleaning things up since week 1 have been lip service. 

The longer he's here, the more damage is done to coach-player relationship. I wouldn't be shocked in the least if AJ demands a trade in the offseason. 

If they trade him they have a $41 million dollar dead money charge and lose $29 million in 2024 cap space so that's not happening.  My point is all this handwringing is pointless until the season is over, and while unlikely, they might get going and do some damage in the playoffs. Everyone is fired up after the recent freefall, but what's the pragmatic thing to do?