1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

Yep. They had FOUR 7th round picks in 2025 so giving up two of those was a big fat nothing burger. They moved down from 98 to 120, got a good backup QB, and saved 7-8 million based on the going rate for a backup QB in free agency. With Pickett's reputation as a first round pick and the Eagles ability to rehabilitate young QB's there is also a possibility they could flip him in a year or two for better assets than they gave up. There is nothing not to like about this move other than the dummies out there who think a Mariota is better than Pickett AND would prefer a Mariota and 8 less million in cap space.

EXACTLY. Why is this so hard to understand? What’s to hate about this? The cap savings alone is worth it. Our QB room is filled with young guys that have plenty of potential, and besides Hurts, are all very cheap. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I think there’s reason to believe Pickett has been at his worst in a bad situation and in Philly he can become his best self. Now how good that is is up for debate, but I think he can and will be a high-end backup. 

Yep. Im pretty confident in him looking pretty good here as a backup.

3 minutes ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

But this is the point we are trying to make. It’s not that everyone is "defending” Pickett. Is Pickett the best backup option, no. Has he looked amazing given his chances, no. But for the price and what we have up to get him, I think it’s worth taking the risk on him to see if he can look better in our offense as opposed to overpaying for a Mariota type again. Like others have said. That savings could be the difference in getting another player or not.

I understand the point but I also answered a specific question. Using Rudolph as an example there’s no way I’m paying him up to $4M vs $1M for Pickett. 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s a very subjective list, I don’t expect universal agreement. Even I’ll admit there’s a bunch where the argument is who’s better out of bad players. Some also cost more while being slightly better and maybe not worth it overall.  

But I don’t really understand why Pickett is getting the benefit of the doubt about literally everything while everyone else gets excuses or critiqued to death. Maybe he can improve or take some improbable leap but he just lacks anything special that his ceiling IMO is so incredibly low. 

No one is suggesting Pickett is going to replace Hurts (though I remember when the majority opinion was Hurts was a wasted pick).

But we're talking backup QB, not starter for a PO team. Pickett has upside, with a real OC, a much better OL and much better skill players.

I mean if MInshew can win a starting job, the threshold just ain't that high!

6 minutes ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

We didn’t trade them all. We traded one. It was literally one pick, that moved us back 22 spots and people are acting like we gave up 2 first rounders. I swear, people complain about anything

No but if they rarely pan out then why hold on to any of them right? We suck at drafting in the 4th rd according to you, so let's cut to the chase and dump all of them. Otherwise it's just a waste to keep drafting bums in the 4th rd and later.

Giants are gonna lose 14 games next year

 

 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

No one is suggesting Pickett is going to replace Hurts (though I remember when the majority opinion was Hurts was a wasted pick).

But we're talking backup QB, not starter for a PO team. Pickett has upside, with a real OC, a much better OL and much better skill players.

I mean if MInshew can win a starting job, the threshold just ain't that high!

I see next to no upside. He doesn’t have a good arm, he’s not that mobile, he’s not some cerebral QB that can pick apart a defense (I realize this is the one thing that has some chance to change). There’s just not much about him to be excited about. 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Ok, so why? Why is Pickett better than Mac Jones who has better stats and had Matt Patricia as OC? Why is he better than Winston? Why is he better than Minshew who’s actually competing for a starting job and got paid a nice deal? 

You know why.

Because Howie traded for him. 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Ok, so why? Why is Pickett better than Mac Jones who has better stats and had Matt Patricia as OC? Why is he better than Winston? Why is he better than Minshew who’s actually competing for a starting job and got paid a nice deal? 

I got bullish in my last comment. I honestly can’t make a convincing argument on skill. Ill admit all the factors with Pickett and his potential helped form my opinion. 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

You know why.

Because Howie traded for him. 

I made an argument in January that Howie should be fired. Try again.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

No but if they rarely pan out then why hold on to any of them right? We suck at drafting in the 4th rd according to you, so let's cut to the chase and dump all of them. Otherwise it's just a waste to keep drafting bums in the 4th rd and later.

That’s not what I said. You are taking what I said and attaching extreme hyperbole to exaggerate it. I said the percentage that 4th round picks pan out is low, not just for us, but also around the league. So if we use one, key word is just one, to get a cost effective QB that saves cap space so that we can fill other holes then I’m cool with it. For the record I value draft picks, and dont think we should "trade them all away”. But there’s more than one way to use draft picks wisely.

Just now, MillerTime said:

I made an argument in January that Howie should be fired. Try again.

Fair enough. But for some of the others like afan and HE, that's definitely a factor. You never see them criticize Howie. 

As for Pickett, I'm not as cynical as lean green. He might turn out to be a decent backup, but I just feel like burning that draft capital on him is a luxury we can't afford given the state of our roster. I'd much prefer to spend it on some depth players for OL, DB, or LB.

I guess some of these guys would have rather paid Darnold 10 million, Flacco 8.7 million Brisset 8 million, or Mariota 6 million. Pickett at a 2 million cap hit for the next two seasons versus an additional 4-8 million was EASILY worth the minor compensation they gave up for him, good God.

5 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I made an argument in January that Howie should be fired. Try again.

That’s crazy to me

Im curious what your argument is here. Not hating or anything just want to understand why you think that

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Fair enough. But for some of the others like afan and HE, that's definitely a factor. You never see them criticize Howie. 

As for Pickett, I'm not as cynical as lean green. He might turn out to be a decent backup, but I just feel like burning that draft capital on him is a luxury we can't afford given the state of our roster. I'd much prefer to spend it on some depth players for OL, DB, or LB.

Here is my argument.

We can package 120 and a later pick to move up if needed still which makes this trade great.

We saved 4-8 million on a backup QB which may keep Reddick on the team. In my opinion that is worth 22 spots in the draft.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Fair enough. But for some of the others like afan and HE, that's definitely a factor. You never see them criticize Howie. 

As for Pickett, I'm not as cynical as lean green. He might turn out to be a decent backup, but I just feel like burning that draft capital on him is a luxury we can't afford given the state of our roster. I'd much prefer to spend it on some depth players for OL, DB, or LB.

They moved down from 98 to 120 and gave up two 7th round picks in 2025 when they previously had four. Not sure how to justify as some great "draft capital they couldn't afford to burn." Especially when the alternative was to pay someone 6-10 million in free agency which means one less significant player they can sign.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I guess some of these guys would have rather paid Darnold 10 million, Flacco 8.7 million Brisset 8 million, or Mariota 6 million. Pickett at a 2 million cap hit for the next two seasons versus an additional 4-8 million was EASILY worth the minor compensation they gave up for him, good God.

Count me among those that would have preferred paying more for one of those guys! …minus Mariota

6 minutes ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

That’s not what I said. You are taking what I said and attaching extreme hyperbole to exaggerate it. I said the percentage that 4th round picks pan out is low, not just for us, but also around the league. So if we use one, key word is just one, to get a cost effective QB that saves cap space so that we can fill other holes then I’m cool with it. For the record I value draft picks, and dont think we should "trade them all away”. But there’s more than one way to use draft picks wisely.

You're talking like 4th rd picks are 7th rd picks which is why you're coming across like you don't value them.

And you be clear, your first comment said OUR 4th rd picks rarely pan out. Implying we suck at it more than other teams. Which might be true, but that exposes another issue that needs to be addressed, not worked around.

2 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Here is my argument.

We can package 120 and a later pick to move up if needed still which makes this trade great.

We saved 4-8 million on a backup QB which may keep Reddick on the team. In my opinion that is worth 22 spots in the draft.

Not a forgone conclusion that we'd have spent 4-8 million on a backup qb. In fact, I'd have much rather traded for Howell given the similar compensation needed.

1 minute ago, MillerTime said:

Here is my argument.

We can package 120 and a later pick to move up if needed still which makes this trade great.

We saved 4-8 million on a backup QB which may keep Reddick on the team. In my opinion that is worth 22 spots in the draft.

They basically got Pickett and Devin White to move down from 98 to 120. The cap number for them combined will be similar to what the majority of backup QB's got in free agency.This extends beyond this year as well since they will save that type of cap space again in 2025 with Pickett.  If people are worried about giving up two 7th round picks in 2025 when we had four I have nothing to say to them as I could have a more intelligent conversation with a brick wall.

8 hours of posts about Pickett or not to Pickett? And we wonder why the nation thinks Philly fans are knuckleheads?

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

They moved down from 98 to 120 and gave up two 7th round picks in 2025 when they previously had four. Not sure how to justify as some great "draft capital they couldn't afford to burn." Especially when the alternative was to pay someone 6-10 million in free agency which means one less significant player they can sign.

See above. 

There's only one logical solution to this:

McKee and Pickett enter the Thunderdome.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

8 hours of posts about Pickett or not to Pickett? And we wonder why the nation thinks Philly fans are knuckleheads?

This is all @DEagle7 fault 

3 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Count me among those that would have preferred paying more for one of those guys! …minus Mariota

Cool, so you'd prefer Flacco say and 98 versus Pickett, White, and 120.